A Realistic View at 2020: Part I

[jung]

To answer your questions...

 

1) Absolutely not. Football fans are mostly regional (and fickle). Remember when the Cowboys were "America's Team"? Now the Pats riding the crest of that same wave. Once B & B are gone most of these"fans" (a/k/a 'front runners') will revert to rooting for their more local teams. There'll be a few who cling to the past just as there are still some who cling to the days of the Cowboys, Yankees, and the Oakland Athletics of old but for the most part they'll go to whatever team gets the most media exposure in their part of the country.

 

2) I heard Bob Costas say in an interview some years ago that, "Unless football does things to mitigate these concussions and injuries I can see a point where football becomes as marginalized sport as boxing". (loosely quoted).

The NFL is trying to make an impact (ok, poor choice of words. ) on the health of its players but they can't undo the fact that fewer and fewer parents are allowing their children to play football at a younger age. This is going to have an effect on the popularity of the sport in a few years when these children have to choose between watching a sport they played and can relate to (soccer) and football.

 

IMHO many football players are now knowingly putting their health and future at risk because it's their way out of poverty but as more and more research is done many of them will see that the risk isn't worth the short time reward.

 

Oh yea...NFL cares about player health as they careen toward either a revised playoff format or an 18 game regular season. Meanwhile the players will take virtually ANYTHING in a new contract as long as they get Marijuana use out of the deal. I guess as far as the NFL is concerned, never mind that Marijuana is outright legal in many states and will likely be virtually legal in all but the most cockeyed of them soon enough.

[notin]

Philly is building a 10,000 seat arena for e-league right next to their football, baseball, basketball/hockey stadiums....

 

It is crazy, but these games have a following.

 

The weird thing is, international competition is getting to be a big thing but the stranglehold the cable companies have limits the US severely...

[jad]

Oh yea...NFL cares about player health as they careen toward either a revised playoff format or an 18 game regular season. Meanwhile the players will take virtually ANYTHING in a new contract as long as they get Marijuana use out of the deal. I guess as far as the NFL is concerned, never mind that Marijuana is outright legal in many states and will likely be virtually legal in all but the most cockeyed of them soon enough.

 

Nonsense You have absolutely no idea what 'the players will take.' If you do, please provide the evidence; for example, quotations from players claiming they would take millions in salary cuts to smoke weed. Nor is there such a monolithic thing as 'the NFL' that thinks in a certain way.

[moonslav59]

Nonsense You have absolutely no idea what 'the players will take.' If you do, please provide the evidence; for example, quotations from players claiming they would take millions in salary cuts to smoke weed. Nor is there such a monolithic thing as 'the NFL' that thinks in a certain way.

 

His silliness is getting out of hand.

[moonslav59]

Projected 2020 Red Sox Luxury Tax Budget

$Millions

31 Price

27 Sale

22 JD

20 Bogey

17 Eovaldi

14 Pedey

4 Vaz

Sub TOTAL $135M 7 Players

 

Arbitration Estimates:

28 Betts (3rd arb of 3)

10 JBJ (4 of 4)

9 ERod (3 of 4)

4 Beni (1 of 3)

3 Workman (3 of 3)

3 Barnes (2 of 3)

2 Hembree (2 of 3)

1 Marco (1 of 3)

1 Wright (3 of 3)

(Leon: non tenders & maybe re-signed for $1M)

Sub TOTAL $61M 10 Players

 

8 (Likely) Pre-arb on ML Roster

Devers

Chavis

Taylor

Walden

Travis

Johnson

Velazquez

DHernandez

Sub TOTAL $4M 8 Players

 

Other 15 (Likely) Plyaers on the 40 Man Roster

Dalbec, Chatham, Lin, Brewer, Weber, Reyes, Shawaryn, Poyner

Brasier, Kelley, Lakins, Poyner, Ockimey, Feltman, Houck

Sub TOTAL: $2M 15 Players

 

$15M Player Benefits

 

$217 Million Total

 

That's about $9M over the first Luxury Tax line.

 

If we trade or non tender JBJ, we will be slightly under the tax line with no money to spend on any free agents, if we want to reset.

 

 

[S5Dewey]

If we trade or non tender JBJ, we will be slightly under the tax line with no money to spend on any free agents, if we want to reset.

 

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If that's where we are without JBJ - and I don't doubt Moon's numbers - then I don't see a reset. At that point it's "In for a penny, in for a pound". If the FO is going to spend that kind of money they may as well tweak where necessary and give it another go.

[moonslav59]

If that's where we are without JBJ - and I don't doubt Moon's numbers - then I don't see a reset. At that point it's "In for a penny, in for a pound". If the FO is going to spend that kind of money they may as well tweak where necessary and give it another go.

 

I'd be fine with trading a big salary to get under the line, but I still would think paying JBJ $10-11M for 1 year of team control would not make sense- assuming a reset and shot at 2021 competitiveness.

[notin]

If that's where we are without JBJ - and I don't doubt Moon's numbers - then I don't see a reset. At that point it's "In for a penny, in for a pound". If the FO is going to spend that kind of money they may as well tweak where necessary and give it another go.

 

They may have to unload another deal or two.

 

I’d be surprised if they tendered Hembree a contract and there is the possibility of moving Barnes.

 

Obviously moving Price would be prudent, and don’t kid yourself, it is possible. The only question is, is what’s coming back going to make that deal worthwhile?

[notin]

So if the $56mill is true in order to reset, the Sox have arbitration cases for Betts, Barnes, Bradley, Rodriguez, Benintendi, Workman, Hembree and Wright.

 

Who do you think should be tendered, non-tendered, and traded?

[moonslav59]

They may have to unload another deal or two.

 

I’d be surprised if they tendered Hembree a contract and there is the possibility of moving Barnes.

 

Obviously moving Price would be prudent, and don’t kid yourself, it is possible. The only question is, is what’s coming back going to make that deal worthwhile?

 

I'd wait on trading Barnes, in hopes his stock rises. I hate trading guys after their worst seasons.

[oldtimer]

Projected 2020 Red Sox Luxury Tax Budget

$Millions

31 Price

27 Sale

22 JD

20 Bogey

17 Eovaldi

14 Pedey

4 Vaz

Sub TOTAL $135M 7 Players

 

Arbitration Estimates:

28 Betts (3rd arb of 3)

10 JBJ (4 of 4)

9 ERod (3 of 4)

4 Beni (1 of 3)

3 Workman (3 of 3)

3 Barnes (2 of 3)

2 Hembree (2 of 3)

1 Marco (1 of 3)

1 Wright (3 of 3)

(Leon: non tenders & maybe re-signed for $1M)

Sub TOTAL $61M 10 Players

 

8 (Likely) Pre-arb on ML Roster

Devers

Chavis

Taylor

Walden

Travis

Johnson

Velazquez

DHernandez

Sub TOTAL $4M 8 Players

 

Other 15 (Likely) Plyaers on the 40 Man Roster

Dalbec, Chatham, Lin, Brewer, Weber, Reyes, Shawaryn, Poyner

Brasier, Kelley, Lakins, Poyner, Ockimey, Feltman, Houck

Sub TOTAL: $2M 15 Players

 

$15M Player Benefits

 

$217 Million Total

 

That's about $9M over the first Luxury Tax line.

 

If we trade or non tender JBJ, we will be slightly under the tax line with no money to spend on any free agents, if we want to reset.

 

 

 

I would be all for getting a reset in 2020. I am hoping that DHern and Houck can allleviate some of the starting pitching woes in 2020. Perhaps someone would be interested in Eovaldi's contract. If so, it might be in our interest to trade him. I'm assuming JDM stays for the 2020 season. I would not stay with Johnson orVelazquez. I don't think either Hembree, Wright or Barnes should be kept as they are inconsistent or injured. I don't see Holt on your list and he has performed well and can fill multiple positions and is a fairly low cost keeper.

 

I would cut ties with Leon and make a decision on Keepers between, Chavis, Travis, MHern, Dalbec, Chatham, Lin in view of having Holt. We don't need them all.

 

As far as relief pitchers, we wure have a bunch of poor performers. Its a major need to find replacements and to let go of poor performer.

 

The Betts situation is clouding up the reset picture. I hope we can resign him to a fair contract. If not, they as hard as it would be, we need tt trade him for 2020 and possibly get hiim back as a free agent.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

To answer your questions...

 

1) Absolutely not. Football fans are mostly regional (and fickle). Remember when the Cowboys were "America's Team"? Now the Pats riding the crest of that same wave. Once B & B are gone most of these"fans" (a/k/a 'front runners') will revert to rooting for their more local teams. There'll be a few who cling to the past just as there are still some who cling to the days of the Cowboys, Yankees, and the Oakland Athletics of old but for the most part they'll go to whatever team gets the most media exposure in their part of the country.

 

2) I heard Bob Costas say in an interview some years ago that, "Unless football does things to mitigate these concussions and injuries I can see a point where football becomes as marginalized sport as boxing". (loosely quoted).

The NFL is trying to make an impact (ok, poor choice of words. ) on the health of its players but they can't undo the fact that fewer and fewer parents are allowing their children to play football at a younger age. This is going to have an effect on the popularity of the sport in a few years when these children have to choose between watching a sport they played and can relate to (soccer) and football.

 

IMHO many football players are now knowingly putting their health and future at risk because it's their way out of poverty but as more and more research is done many of them will see that the risk isn't worth the short time reward.

 

Excellent post. Back in the 60's, before anyone even used the word concussion, I remember Dick Butkus. He played the game of football like his life depended on it. He may have been right to feel that way, because if he failed at football, his next option was working in a coal mine. He said many times that football was much safer than digging coal.

[moonslav59]

I would be all for getting a reset in 2020. I am hoping that DHern and Houck can allleviate some of the starting pitching woes in 2020. Perhaps someone would be interested in Eovaldi's contract. If so, it might be in our interest to trade him. I'm assuming JDM stays for the 2020 season. I would not stay with Johnson orVelazquez. I don't think either Hembree, Wright or Barnes should be kept as they are inconsistent or injured. I don't see Holt on your list and he has performed well and can fill multiple positions and is a fairly low cost keeper.

 

I would cut ties with Leon and make a decision on Keepers between, Chavis, Travis, MHern, Dalbec, Chatham, Lin in view of having Holt. We don't need them all.

 

As far as relief pitchers, we wure have a bunch of poor performers. Its a major need to find replacements and to let go of poor performer.

 

The Betts situation is clouding up the reset picture. I hope we can resign him to a fair contract. If not, they as hard as it would be, we need tt trade him for 2020 and possibly get hiim back as a free agent.

 

How is Barnes "inconsistent?" He improved every year since 2015 until now.

 

ERA+: 80> 11> 118> 122

WHIP: 1.65>1.40>1.22> 1.26

K/9: 8.2> 9.6> 10.7> 14.0 > 15.6

 

I'd keep all of Chavis, Dalbec, Ockimey, Chatham, Marco and Lin in hopes that 2 can stick around beyond the reset year.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Projected 2020 Red Sox Luxury Tax Budget

$Millions

31 Price

27 Sale

22 JD

20 Bogey

17 Eovaldi

14 Pedey

4 Vaz

Sub TOTAL $135M 7 Players

 

Arbitration Estimates:

28 Betts (3rd arb of 3)

10 JBJ (4 of 4)

9 ERod (3 of 4)

4 Beni (1 of 3)

3 Workman (3 of 3)

3 Barnes (2 of 3)

2 Hembree (2 of 3)

1 Marco (1 of 3)

1 Wright (3 of 3)

(Leon: non tenders & maybe re-signed for $1M)

Sub TOTAL $61M 10 Players

 

8 (Likely) Pre-arb on ML Roster

Devers

Chavis

Taylor

Walden

Travis

Johnson

Velazquez

DHernandez

Sub TOTAL $4M 8 Players

 

Other 15 (Likely) Plyaers on the 40 Man Roster

Dalbec, Chatham, Lin, Brewer, Weber, Reyes, Shawaryn, Poyner

Brasier, Kelley, Lakins, Poyner, Ockimey, Feltman, Houck

Sub TOTAL: $2M 15 Players

 

$15M Player Benefits

 

$217 Million Total

 

That's about $9M over the first Luxury Tax line.

 

If we trade or non tender JBJ, we will be slightly under the tax line with no money to spend on any free agents, if we want to reset.

 

 

 

If the Red Sox don't plan to reset and instead just want to avoid the draft pick penalty, they would have about 20m to spend. If they dump Bradley, that 20m turns into 30m.

 

30m is a lot of money for a team that already has a championship caliber offense. I see the Red Sox dipping into free agency for a closer -- probably W.Smith -- andn then using either Dalbec or Chavis in a trade package for a cost controlled SP.

 

At the end of the day, the Red Sox's hopes next season rest on the arms of Sale, Price, Eavoldi, and Rodriguez. The Red Sox will need the starting staff to perform at a pretty high level, something they didn't do this season.

[jacksonianmarch]

So DD, who left the pen entirely naked and who's starting rotation is literally junk, is going to throw premium money at Smith yet not add to his abysmal rotation?

[moonslav59]

If the Red Sox don't plan to reset and instead just want to avoid the draft pick penalty, they would have about 20m to spend. If they dump Bradley, that 20m turns into 30m.

 

30m is a lot of money for a team that already has a championship caliber offense. I see the Red Sox dipping into free agency for a closer -- probably W.Smith -- andn then using either Dalbec or Chavis in a trade package for a cost controlled SP.

 

At the end of the day, the Red Sox's hopes next season rest on the arms of Sale, Price, Eavoldi, and Rodriguez. The Red Sox will need the starting staff to perform at a pretty high level, something they didn't do this season.

 

The max line for the draft pick penalty is $40M over. So, we'd have $29M with JBJ and $39M without.

 

That's enough money to try and win one more year, but unless all that money is spent on 1 year deals (unlikely, if we want good player), we'd be digging a deeper hole for 2021 and beyond.

[jacksonianmarch]

Clearly, my hope is you guys try to go for it for another year. With Sale limited or possibly not available for 2020 and Price continuing to decline, your rotation is setup for problems next season. ERod will be the leader of the pack with the hope that Eovaldi can "not suck" enough to be useful. Your offense will be top notch again provided JD keeps his current contract, which I think he will. With the Yanks and the Rays on the rise, the sox would have to add $50+ mil worth of payroll just to compete, which they wont be doing. But where the sox would really suffer is their return. If DD stays on and pays Mookie and goes through another disappointing year, the value of ERod in a deal will drop and you'll be forced to run a retread team out there and watch them get smoked by the Yanks for 5 seasons. It'll be hammer and nail all over again. If I was a sox fan, I would be rooting for the rebuild to start now where the pieces you have will return value

[moonslav59]

Clearly, my hope is you guys try to go for it for another year. With Sale limited or possibly not available for 2020 and Price continuing to decline, your rotation is setup for problems next season. ERod will be the leader of the pack with the hope that Eovaldi can "not suck" enough to be useful. Your offense will be top notch again provided JD keeps his current contract, which I think he will. With the Yanks and the Rays on the rise, the sox would have to add $50+ mil worth of payroll just to compete, which they wont be doing. But where the sox would really suffer is their return. If DD stays on and pays Mookie and goes through another disappointing year, the value of ERod in a deal will drop and you'll be forced to run a retread team out there and watch them get smoked by the Yanks for 5 seasons. It'll be hammer and nail all over again. If I was a sox fan, I would be rooting for the rebuild to start now where the pieces you have will return value

 

The longer we try to win it all the deeper hole we dig.

[moonslav59]

On the farm...

 

Yesterday:

 

Mata has career high 7 shutout innings and 9 Ks. Feltman with a 2 inning save.

 

Also, yesterday J Diaz goes 7 shutout innings with 8Ks.

 

Today:

 

Chatham 2-4 in the loss.

Portland got 1 hit.

Casas 2 for 4 with Salem.

[S5Dewey]

Clearly, my hope is you guys try to go for it for another year. With Sale limited or possibly not available for 2020 and Price continuing to decline, your rotation is setup for problems next season. ERod will be the leader of the pack with the hope that Eovaldi can "not suck" enough to be useful. Your offense will be top notch again provided JD keeps his current contract, which I think he will. With the Yanks and the Rays on the rise, the sox would have to add $50+ mil worth of payroll just to compete, which they wont be doing. But where the sox would really suffer is their return. If DD stays on and pays Mookie and goes through another disappointing year, the value of ERod in a deal will drop and you'll be forced to run a retread team out there and watch them get smoked by the Yanks for 5 seasons. It'll be hammer and nail all over again. If I was a sox fan, I would be rooting for the rebuild to start now where the pieces you have will return value

A great perspective from Nostratrollus, a Yankees fan who continually hopes the Y's opponents are weak enough for the Y's to finally get another flag flying in NYC.

The ONLY question marks going into the 2020 season involve the pitching staff. It's far too early yet to say "with Sale limited or possibly not available for 2020 and Price continuing to decline, your rotation is setup for problems next season. ERod will be the leader of the pack with the hope that Eovaldi can "not suck" enough to be useful. Particularly humorous is the last sentence that ERod will be the leader of the pack, etc. That's wishful thinking on the part of a Yankees fan who knows that if either of those guys revert to 2018 form the 2020 Red Sox will be more than the 2020 Yankees can handle.

 

The entire post is built on the premise that the Red Sox stud two pitchers are going to flop. That's nothing but wishful thinking.

[notin]

Clearly, my hope is you guys try to go for it for another year. With Sale limited or possibly not available for 2020 and Price continuing to decline, your rotation is setup for problems next season. ERod will be the leader of the pack with the hope that Eovaldi can "not suck" enough to be useful. Your offense will be top notch again provided JD keeps his current contract, which I think he will. With the Yanks and the Rays on the rise, the sox would have to add $50+ mil worth of payroll just to compete, which they wont be doing. But where the sox would really suffer is their return. If DD stays on and pays Mookie and goes through another disappointing year, the value of ERod in a deal will drop and you'll be forced to run a retread team out there and watch them get smoked by the Yanks for 5 seasons. It'll be hammer and nail all over again. If I was a sox fan, I would be rooting for the rebuild to start now where the pieces you have will return value

 

That's actually a remarkably stupid statement. And I'm being polite...

[OH FOY]

A great perspective from Nostratrollus, a Yankees fan who continually hopes the Y's opponents are weak enough for the Y's to finally get another flag flying in NYC.

The ONLY question marks going into the 2020 season involve the pitching staff. It's far too early yet to say "with Sale limited or possibly not available for 2020 and Price continuing to decline, your rotation is setup for problems next season. ERod will be the leader of the pack with the hope that Eovaldi can "not suck" enough to be useful. Particularly humorous is the last sentence that ERod will be the leader of the pack, etc. That's wishful thinking on the part of a Yankees fan who knows that if either of those guys revert to 2018 form the 2020 Red Sox will be more than the 2020 Yankees can handle.

 

The entire post is built on the premise that the Red Sox stud two pitchers are going to flop. That's nothing but wishful thinking.

 

Good Post, way too early for this stuff. Wait for Sale status first.

[notin]

Good Post, way too early for this stuff. Wait for Sale status first.

 

Not to mention, I would think a Yankee fan would recognize that you can win without a starting rotation...

[Bellhorn04]

That's actually a remarkably stupid statement. And I'm being polite...

 

The Yankees will never have any payroll issues!

[S5Dewey]

The longer we try to win it all the deeper hole we dig.

 

...and this was the attitude during the 80+ years of Red Sox futility. "Let's 'wait til next year' because if we go for it now and fail we'll be in worse shape the following year."

 

I realize it's easy to be disappointed in this team right now but to listen to some posters one would think that "The window" slammed shut on their hand! There are those of us who would throw in the towel on 2020 right now in the hope of rebuilding an offense and defense as good as this one is now by 2024. I'm not one of them. I'd look at what we have rather than what we don't have and plan accordingly.

 

The OF is set, the left side of the IF is set, and at least half of the catching duo is set. We have solid and cheap possibilities on the right side of the IF in Chavis, Marco, Travis, Lin, and possibly even Ockimey. Sign Brock Holt and call it a day for position players. These guys are good enough offensively and defensively to win a championship.

 

The question mark is at pitching with the biggest ? being the condition of Sale's elbow/shoulder and by being an optimist I'm going forward today hoping he's back at full strength next year. He may have to reinvent himself a bit but everything I've seen from him makes me think he's enough of a competitor to do whatever is necessary.

Beyond that there's Price, & ERod, both of whom can easily be predicted to have a better 2020 than 2019. The only starter probably needing replacement is Porcillo and if releasing him and replacing him with a slightly more expensive #4 it's something I can live with. We have plenty of arms with the potential to be our #5-9 pitchers.

 

I say this is the time to be brave, not cowardly. The nucleus of this team is still possibly the best team in baseball. Don't scrap it now. Have the courage to take a chance. That window is still open. Teams like this don't arrive every year.

Edited September 2, 2019 by S5Dewey

[notin]

The Yankees will never have any payroll issues!

 

Did you also like his bit about ERod's trade value being influenced by Mookie's performance?

 

Not to mention, for all the negative comments about the Sox farm and the positive glowing reviews about the Yankee farm, let's just stop and spot check some rosters here.

 

Number of Yankee drafted/developed farm products on current roster: 3 (And that's counting Brett Gardner, who graduated what, 25 years ago.) Equal to the number of Red Sox farm system products in the outfield alone...

 

The Sox farm system might be down now, but at least it produced something recently...

[moonslav59]

...and this was the attitude during the 80+ years of Red Sox futility. "Let's 'wait til next year' because if we go for it now and fail we'll be in worse shape the following year."

 

I realize it's easy to be disappointed in this team right now but to listen to some posters one would think that "The window" slammed shut on their hand! There are those of us who would throw in the towel on 2020 right now in the hope of rebuilding an offense and defense as good as this one is now by 2024. I'm not one of them. I'd look at what we have rather than what we don't have and plan accordingly.

 

The OF is set, the left side of the IF is set, and at least half of the catching duo is set. We have solid and cheap possibilities on the right side of the IF in Chavis, Marco, Travis, Lin, and possibly even Ockimey. Sign Brock Holt and call it a day for position players. These guys are good enough offensively and defensively to win a championship.

 

The question mark is at pitching with the biggest ? being the condition of Sale's elbow/shoulder and by being an optimist I'm going forward today hoping he's back at full strength next year. He may have to reinvent himself a bit but everything I've seen from him makes me think he's enough of a competitor to do whatever is necessary.

Beyond that there's Price, & ERod, both of whom can easily be predicted to have a better 2020 than 2019. The only starter probably needing replacement is Porcillo and if releasing him and replacing him with a slightly more expensive #4 it's something I can live with. We have plenty of arms with the potential to be our #5-9 pitchers.

 

I say this is the time to be brave, not cowardly. The nucleus of this team is still possibly the best team in baseball. Don't scrap it now. Have the courage to take a chance. That window is still open. Teams like this don't arrive every year.

 

I'm not advocating the strategies used in the 70's and 80's.

 

Does anyone think we will be a top 6 or even 8 favorite next year without some kind of major addition?

 

We are not going to sign a closer to a one year deal. Any major addition will be multi-year, and hence will put the already massive budget even higher and spread out longer.

 

I'm not saying we can't win it all in 2020. I even brought up the fact that we could go for "one more year." My point is, at what cost to the future?

 

We've won more rings in the last 15 years than the 30 years I followed the team before 2004. We've also had some short down periods in these 15 years, where we regrouped. We even had a major tear down with the Dodger trade and the pitching sell-off of Lester, Lackey, Peavy, Doubront and Andrew Miller. Both led to rings. That is a strategy we have used and could use again.

 

This time, it all about timing. Should it be this winter or next? I'm thinking this winter will work out better. We could re-sign Betts next winter and get back on top more quickly- in theory. Yes, it's just theory, and going for broke one more year has merit, too. I won't be upset, if we go for one more quick win before rebuilding, but I am nearly certain a rebuild will happen soon, and IMO, going for one more win will deepen and lengthen that rebuild process.

 

I plan on being alive for at least another decade. I admit I'm looking more long term than most, but I'm not for returning to the 80"s philosophy- far from it. I'm for doing what we've been doing since Henry became our owner- winning every 3-5 years.

[moonslav59]

Did you also like his bit about ERod's trade value being influenced by Mookie's performance?

 

Not to mention, for all the negative comments about the Sox farm and the positive glowing reviews about the Yankee farm, let's just stop and spot check some rosters here.

 

Number of Yankee drafted/developed farm products on current roster: 3 (And that's counting Brett Gardner, who graduated what, 25 years ago.) Equal to the number of Red Sox farm system products in the outfield alone...

 

The Sox farm system might be down now, but at least it produced something recently...

 

So, you're not counting farm products the Yankees traded for as Yankee prospects?

 

I think we have one in that category: ERod. How many do the Yanks have?

 

Let's face it: the Yanks still have a better farm than us. They have a better budget situation than us. They have a much better record than we do, right now.

 

IMO, it's time to reset, retool, and try to keep the rebuild stretch to as short as possible. If we do everything right, we may be back to being a top 3-5 contender by 2021, assuming we keep Betts and spend near the max line again the year after we reset (2021).

[OH FOY]

We have 58+ million to spend at this point, without Betts. I edited this I think the Arb Players are part of this.

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/boston-red-sox/payroll/2021/

 

Providing JD stays. Your going to have with some big Payroll Spenders with a lot of Cap before they hit the Luxury Tax threshold.

Edited September 2, 2019 by OH FOY!

[OH FOY]

Astros will have 144+ million This is all 2021.

Yankees 99+ million

Dodgers 121+million

Nationals 81+ Million

Cubs 113+ million

Just trying to put in perspective here. Does Henry want to start all over again, and keep paying Luxury Tax again, because the money just doesn't seem to be available. Free Agents will go where the Money is. 2021 will be 58+ million without Betts, 56+ this year with Betts. Again not sure if Arbitration is part of this.

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/boston-red-sox/payroll/2020/

Edited September 2, 2019 by OH FOY!