The annual Jackie Bradley Jr thread (2019 Edition)

[Bellhorn04]

Fragile Freddy!

 

One of my all time favorite players. So much talent.

[moonslav59]

I think he broke his back crashing into the CF wall (before they put up the padding). He did get hurt a lot, but he gets a free pass from me, because he played the game all out to win. Loved the kid.

 

Broke my heart when they traded him and Burleson.

[Bellhorn04]

I think he broke his back crashing into the CF wall (before they put up the padding). He did get hurt a lot, but he gets a free pass from me, because he played the game all out to win. Loved the kid.

 

Broke my heart when they traded him and Burleson.

 

Yes, the Dismantling was brutal.

[moonslav59]

Yes, the Dismantling was brutal.

 

Bill Lee not retiring as a Sox was almost the final straw.

 

The way we lost Fisk was 100 times worse than the Lester initial contract offer fiasco.

 

It really all started with the dumb Cecil Cooper trade.

 

[Bellhorn04]

Bill Lee not retiring as a Sox was almost the final straw.

 

The way we lost Fisk was 100 times worse than the Lester initial contract offer fiasco.

 

It really all started with the dumb Cecil Cooper trade.

 

 

It was incredibly depressing. So much talent walking out the door for so little back.

[a700hitter]

It was incredibly depressing. So much talent walking out the door for so little back.

Definitely, the morale of fans was destroyed.

[vegasbob]

How incredibly (unbelievably ) bad could a front office be to accomplish what happened with Fisk, Lee, etc in the 70's ?

[notin]

But

It was incredibly depressing. So much talent walking out the door for so little back.

 

 

Didn’t we get George Scott back in there somewhere?

[Bellhorn04]

How incredibly (unbelievably ) bad could a front office be to accomplish what happened with Fisk, Lee, etc in the 70's ?

 

Up until then, I never understood how much a front office could impact a team's fortunes. They educated me!

[notin]

How incredibly (unbelievably ) bad could a front office be to accomplish what happened with Fisk, Lee, etc in the 70's ?

 

The real problem was Don Zimmer, who did everything he could to have the players he couldn’t control shipped out. That included (I believe) Lee, Carbo, and Jim Willoughby. And probably a couple others...

[Bellhorn04]

But

 

 

Didn’t we get George Scott back in there somewhere?

 

George was back and forth. I think we managed to lose on the deal.

[Bellhorn04]

The real problem was Don Zimmer, who did everything he could to have the players he couldn’t control shipped out. That included (I believe) Lee, Carbo, and Jim Willoughby. And probably a couple others...

 

The Buffalo Heads.

[a700hitter]

But

 

 

Didn’t we get George Scott back in there somewhere?

For Cecil Cooper and Ben Olglivie in the off season before 1977. The dismantling started after the 1980 season.

[vegasbob]

The real problem was Don Zimmer, who did everything he could to have the players he couldn’t control shipped out. That included (I believe) Lee, Carbo, and Jim Willoughby. And probably a couple others...

 

Don Zimmer had a metal plate in his head which Pedro was determined to find. Zim represents all that was wrong with the "old school" of a good baseball man. That basically meant be quiet, pay your dues, stay stupid and lose regularly. Hated that Ex Dodger idiot.

[moonslav59]

It was incredibly depressing. So much talent walking out the door for so little back.

 

We did get some good "on paper" players back, but the heart and soul of the team was ripped out and stomped on.

 

It made it hard being a Sox fan.

 

Some notable and heart-breaking trades and let-go's from way back when...

 

1971: Traded George Scott, Lonborg, Billy C & Ken Brett for Tommy Harper, Marty Pattin and Lew Krausse. This was a bad trade, as Scott went on to have many good to great years with the Brewers, but I was a big Brewer fan at the time. Tommy Harper was my favorite player, and I switched to being a Sox fan after the trade. We had moved from Milwaukee to Portland. ME that summer of 1071.

 

(Later, in 1976, we traded Cecil Cooper for Scott and Carbo.) We traded Carbo for Danny Darwin & Tom Murphy- Darwin was good.

 

1972: Sparky Lyle for Danny Cater (horrible deal)

1973: Reggie Smith & Ken Tatum for Rick Wise.

1973: Ben Oglivie for Dick McAuliffe

 

1978: Sold Jim Willoughby to the Cards.

1978: Luis Tiant was granted free agency & signed with the Yanks.

1978: Traded Bill Lee for Stan Papi

 

1980: Traded Burleson & Hobson for Carney Lansford, Rick Miller & Mark Clear.

1981: Failed to offer a contract in time for Carlton Fisk, thereby losing him to free agency. (We could have at least signed and traded him.)

1981: Traded Fred Lynn and Steve Renko for Frank Tanana & Joe Rudi.

1982: Traded Carney Lansford for Tony Armas

 

 

 

 

Edited May 8, 2019 by moonslav59

[kenmeister]

We did get some good "on paper" players back, but the heart and soul of the team was ripped out and stomped on.

 

It made it hard being a Sox fan.

 

Some notable and heart-breaking trades and let-go's from way back when...

 

1971: Traded George Scott, Lonborg, Billy C & Ken Brett for Tommy Harper, Marty Pattin and Lew Krausse. This was a bad trade, as Scott went on to have many good to great years with the Brewers, but I was a big Brewer fan at the time. Tommy Harper was my favorite player, and I switched to being a Sox fan after the trade. We had moved from Milwaukee to Portland. ME that summer of 1071.

 

(Later, in 1976, we traded Cecil Cooper for Scott and Carbo.) We traded Carbo for Danny Darwin & Tom Murphy- Darwin was good.

 

1972: Sparky Lyle for Danny Cater (horrible deal)

1973: Reggie Smith & Ken Tatum for Rick Wise.

1973: Ben Oglivie for Dick McAuliffe

 

1978: Sold Jim Willoughby to the Cards.

1978: Luis Tiant was granted free agency & signed with the Yanks.

1978: Traded Bill Lee for Stan Papi

 

1980: Traded Burleson & Hobson for Carney Lansford, Rick Miller & Mark Clear.

1981: Failed to offer a contract in time for Carlton Fisk, thereby losing him to free agency. (We could have at least signed and traded him.)

1981: Traded Fred Lynn and Steve Renko for Frank Tanana & Joe Rudi.

1982: Traded Carney Lansford for Tony Armas

 

 

 

 

 

This was all before my time

 

My heartbreaks are losing Clemens, Vaughn, and Lester. Damon and Garciappara I understood.

[notin]

George was back and forth. I think we managed to lose on the deal.

 

 

But the Sox got him back (with Carbo) for Cecil Cooper. This wasn’t like dealing Bill Lee for Stan Papi...

[notin]

We did get some good "on paper" players back, but the heart and soul of the team was ripped out and stomped on.

 

It made it hard being a Sox fan.

 

Some notable and heart-breaking trades and let-go's from way back when...

 

1971: Traded George Scott, Lonborg, Billy C & Ken Brett for Tommy Harper, Marty Pattin and Lew Krausse. This was a bad trade, as Scott went on to have many good to great years with the Brewers, but I was a big Brewer fan at the time. Tommy Harper was my favorite player, and I switched to being a Sox fan after the trade. We had moved from Milwaukee to Portland. ME that summer of 1071.

 

(Later, in 1976, we traded Cecil Cooper for Scott and Carbo.) We traded Carbo for Danny Darwin & Tom Murphy- Darwin was good.

 

 

 

 

1. So the Sox also got you in the Scott/Harper trade.

 

2. I believe you mean Bobby Darwin. Danny was a defending NL ERA leader the Sox signed as a free agent in 1991 (?) who was actually a massive disappointment...

[Bellhorn04]

But the Sox got him back (with Carbo) for Cecil Cooper. This wasn’t like dealing Bill Lee for Stan Papi...

 

Trading away Cooper was much worse than Lee for Papi.

[notin]

Trading away Cooper was arguably much worse than Lee for Papi.

 

Not so sure. Cooper went on to continue a very good career, but Scott, while older, wasn’t nothing. Lee was dealt for a utility infielder while the Sox were contenders having some of the best seasons in team history. Not to mention he was very capable of shutting down the team’s main rival Yankees. Didn’t Zimmer bench him for those two series against the Yankees for no reason in 1978 (except maybe to punish him)? That entire Bucky Dent game could have been avoided altogether...

[Bellhorn04]

Not so sure. Cooper went on to continue a very good career, but Scott, while older, wasn’t nothing. Lee was dealt for a utility infielder while the Sox were contenders having some of the best seasons in team history. Not to mention he was very capable of shutting down the team’s main rival Yankees. Didn’t Zimmer bench him for those two series against the Yankees for no reason in 1978 (except maybe to punish him)? That entire Bucky Dent game could have been avoided altogether...

 

They re-traded for Boomer when his best years were behind him, though. He had one good season in his second go-round and then he was done.

 

The Lee-Papi traded was incredibly stupid in its own right, that's for sure.

[notin]

They re-traded for Boomer when his best years were behind him, though. He had one good season in his second go-round and then he was done.

 

The Lee-Papi traded was incredibly stupid in its own right, that's for sure.

 

 

The Sox really needed to trade Zimmer.

 

For all the complaints I’ve seen on Sox boards over the years about Williams and Kerrigan and Francona and Farrell, Zimmer has to the much closer to the top for being the worst manager in the Sox in the past 50 years, maybe trailing only Hobson. His poor leadership was masked largely by a roster rife with Hall of Famers...

[Bellhorn04]

The Sox really needed to trade Zimmer.

 

For all the complaints I’ve seen on Sox boards over the years about Williams and Kerrigan and Francona and Farrell, Zimmer has to the much closer to the top for being the worst manager in the Sox in the past 50 years, maybe trailing only Hobson. His poor leadership was masked largely by a roster rife with Hall of Famers...

 

Yeah, you don't have to convince me.

 

1978 was the worst for me as a Sox fan. It nearly killed me.

[Slasher9]

Yeah, you don't have to convince me.

 

1978 was the worst for me as a Sox fan. It nearly killed me.

 

2003

[Bellhorn04]

2003

 

We all have our faves.

[moonslav59]

But the Sox got him back (with Carbo) for Cecil Cooper. This wasn’t like dealing Bill Lee for Stan Papi...

 

They traded away Scott for his best years and then traded Cooper for his declining years.

 

The first Scott trade was bad, but I can forgive it, because it made me a Sox fan.

[notin]

2003

 

1978 felt worse because the Sox had a better team and a huge lead most of the season, and because the Bucky Dent game was played in Fenway. In fact, had it been played in Yankee Stadium, Dent’s HR was a routine fly out to left...

[notin]

They traded away Scott for his best years and then traded Cooper for his declining years.

 

The first Scott trade was bad, but I can forgive it, because it made me a Sox fan.

 

 

Hey we did use Scott to get Tom Poquette!

 

Sure he was a rather run-of-the-mill bench outfielder, but he used to murder the Sox. So it helped to stop facing him...

[Bellhorn04]

1978 felt worse because the Sox had a better team and a huge lead most of the season, and because the Bucky Dent game was played in Fenway. In fact, had it been played in Yankee Stadium, Dent’s HR was a routine fly out to left...

 

Also, 1978 ended with the Yankees winning their second World Series in a row, to push the knife in as deeply as possible.

[notin]

Also, 1978 ended with the Yankees winning their second World Series in a row, to push the knife in as deeply as possible.

 

And with the Sox winning 99 games - the most many of us had ever seen at the time - and not making the postseason...