The annual Jackie Bradley Jr thread (2019 Edition)

[cp176]

There really is no other direction to go right now . They don't want to pay the money it would cost to promote Castillo . A guy like Kemp could be available on the cheap . Do you want to do that ? Bradley will almost certainly have a hot streak at the plate at some point because that is his history. Why not just wait for it ? There is no good alternative.

 

Hey I hope he cranks it up as well. My comments are obviously the result of frustration with someone I have supported for years and who I now do think will be expendable soon if he does not hit just a little. My guess is that if the team plays well, they will live with JBJ for the time being. Management will continue to show support for him and we will keep hearing about how he is ready to break out of his slump any day now because of the exit velocity of the ball leaving his bat. Moving ahead as in next year, I think that his time as a member of our team really is in jeopardy if he can't get it going.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm not sure that a blanket statement like this is supportable. Trust me, I'm in the camp of hope with respect to JBJ but I think that there is a big difference between Pearce and JBJ. Separate situations as far as I'm concerned.

 

You're not explaining why they're so different.

 

The issue with both is that they're off to horrible starts with the bat, isn't it?

[mvp 78]

The decision won't need to be made until Pedey & Holt are both ready, and nobody else can go on the IL (phantom or otherwise).

 

We should try to delay dumping Pearce, so he has a chance to rebound, but we can't send Chavis down right now, just because he has option..

 

Wonder if Chavis may be traded as his value has peaked.

 

Note: I’m not advocating for a trade.

[cp176]

You're not explaining why they're so different.

 

The issue with both is that they're off to horrible starts with the bat, isn't it?

 

I am not explaining why they are so different Bell because I see two different scenarios. I'm not going to be the one who says - Hey JBJ is really off to a bad start but so is Steve Pearce, so it is ok. My interest right now is JBJ and the thought that his defense more than makes up for his lack of offense in the eyes of some people. Steve Pearce is an entirely different topic for me.

I hope that JBJ gets hot soon and can put this matter to rest.

[mvp 78]

Pearce is a bench bat. Just wait for him to heat up.

 

You’re stuck with JBJ’s inept offense everyday because his defense makes up for some of the lack of offense.

[Bellhorn04]

Wonder if Chavis may be traded as his value has peaked.

 

Not a chance.

[Bellhorn04]

Pearce is a bench bat. Just wait for him to heat up.

 

You’re stuck with JBJ’s inept offense everyday because his defense makes up for some of the lack of offense.

 

Just wait for JBJ to heat up.

[Slasher9]

Just wait for JBJ to heat up.

 

honestly it wont matter. this thread will still exist. he was 1-3 / BB / 2RS last night and poster took the time to logon to post "he sucks".

#JBjHate is real.

[mvp 78]

Just wait for JBJ to heat up.

 

And if he doesn’t?

[mvp 78]

Not a chance.

 

 

We’ll see. DD usually maximizes his assets.

[Bellhorn04]

And if he doesn’t?

 

If he doesn't, Cora will sit him down more.

 

But he will.

[Bellhorn04]

We’ll see. DD usually maximizes his assets.

 

Seems to me his preference is to trade prospects who haven't yet proven they can play at this level.

[Slasher9]

Seems to me his preference is to trade prospects who haven't yet proven they can play at this level.

 

good point. he did keep devers and beni. maybe he keeps chavis. also, his value might not be as high to other GM's until he continues hitting for awhile longer after the Tbol is out of his system....

[mvp 78]

Seems to me his preference is to trade prospects who haven't yet proven they can play at this level.

 

We’ll see.

[SoxnCycles]

If he doesn't, Cora will sit him down more.

 

But he will.

 

Yup, nobody on the Sox is getting traded the first week of May.

[Larry33]

Just wait for JBJ to heat up.

 

Waiting to heat up I think 7 years is long enough waiting for someone to break through this guy has been so cold he could be a title track on the Eagles Hell Freezes Over album.

 

JBJ was suppose to be Ellsbury replacement as bad his contract turnout to be for the Yankees when Jacoby was in Boston he produced and was key in their success. JBJ stats in his first 7 years will never be close to Ellsbury 7 years in a Red Sox uniform.

 

Rusney Castillo signing was attributed to JBJ inability to hit and fill the void on the team.

[moonslav59]

Waiting to heat up I think 7 years is long enough waiting for someone to break through this guy has been so cold he could be a title track on the Eagles Hell Freezes Over album.

 

JBJ was suppose to be Ellsbury replacement as bad his contract turnout to be for the Yankees when Jacoby was in Boston he produced and was key in their success. JBJ stats in his first 7 years will never be close to Ellsbury 7 years in a Red Sox uniform.

 

Rusney Castillo signing was attributed to JBJ inability to hit and fill the void in the team.

 

Jacoby was unreliable- health wise and was very inconsistent offensively as well.

 

If you take away his one great year, he was about the same as JBJ on offense.

 

JBJ: .712 OPS with BOS

 

Ells: .789 OPS with BOS (.760 overall)

 

Jacoby before 2011: .749 OPS

Jacoby after 2011 (with BOS only): .747 OPS

 

JBJ since 2015: .754

 

[notin]

Y

Jacoby was unreliable- health wise and was very inconsistent offensively as well.

 

If you take away his one great year, he was about the same as JBJ on offense.

 

JBJ: .712 OPS with BOS

 

Ells: .789 OPS with BOS (.760 overall)

 

Jacoby before 2011: .749 OPS

Jacoby after 2011 (with BOS only): .747 OPS

 

JBJ since 2015: .754

 

 

And if you take away Bradley’s best season (2016), his OPS with Boston drops to .673...

[Larry33]

Y

 

And if you take away Bradley’s best season (2016), his OPS with Boston drops to .673...

 

Exactly

[Larry33]

Jacoby was unreliable- health wise and was very inconsistent offensively as well.

 

If you take away his one great year, he was about the same as JBJ on offense.

 

JBJ: .712 OPS with BOS

 

Ells: .789 OPS with BOS (.760 overall)

 

Jacoby before 2011: .749 OPS

Jacoby after 2011 (with BOS only): .747 OPS

 

JBJ since 2015: .754

 

 

You can't nit pick here Bradley has been up in Boston since 2013 if he couldn't hit enough to stick that's his own fault in 2014 he was in 127 games with over 400 PA.

 

How about the BA how you don't talk about that stats

 

I guess you don't want to talk about stolen bases because first off you need to get on base in order to steal.

 

Take away JBJ best year and his OPS is .673

[Maxbialystock]

Jacoby was unreliable- health wise and was very inconsistent offensively as well.

 

If you take away his one great year, he was about the same as JBJ on offense.

 

JBJ: .712 OPS with BOS

 

Ells: .789 OPS with BOS (.760 overall)

 

Jacoby before 2011: .749 OPS

Jacoby after 2011 (with BOS only): .747 OPS

 

JBJ since 2015: .754

 

 

Meh. Agree Ellsbury's 2011 was a false high which he never came close to repeating, especially the 32 dingers. And no question JBJ is the better centerfielder. Thus it was a smart move by the Sox not to try to keep Ellsbury and to gamble on JBJ in 2014 even though he bombed.

 

The problem is that JBJ is hugely inconsistent at the plate except for that one great season, 2016. In the three seasons since then, his overall WAR's have gone steadily down--5.5 in 2016, 3.0 in 2017, 2.1 in 2018, and -1.3 so far in 2019.

 

My other point is that I think his defense is not nearly as important as his bat. He has had very few remarkable grabs this year and fewer still--perhaps none-- that made a difference in a game. But he has had many opportunities to contribute at the plate.

 

That said, I trust Cora to use JBJ intelligently and realize that with just 12 position players on the roster he probably should use JBJ most of the time.

[mvp 78]

Ells: .789 OPS with BOS (.760 overall)

 

Jacoby before 2011: .749 OPS

Jacoby after 2011 (with BOS only): .747 OPS

 

 

Your stats seem off to me.

[Bellhorn04]

You can't nit pick here Bradley has been up in Boston since 2013 if he couldn't hit enough to stick that's his own fault in 2014 he was in 127 games with over 400 PA.

 

How about the BA how you don't talk about that stats

 

I guess you don't want to talk about stolen bases because first off you need to get on base in order to steal.

 

Take away JBJ best year and his OPS is .673

 

There's a reason WAR has become a very popular measuring tool.

 

It takes defense into account too.

 

JBJ's WAR has been acceptable to good 4 straight years from 2015 to 2018.

[Larry33]

There's a reason WAR has become a very popular measuring tool.

 

It takes defense into account too.

 

JBJ's WAR has been acceptable to good 4 straight years from 2015 to 2018.

 

Yet you chose only to pick the best years and omit the bad let's be fair and look at the overall career over the 7 years.

 

Ellsbury 21.2 WAR in 7years Red Sox

Bradley Jr 11.8 WAR in 7 years

[Slasher9]

Yet you chose only to pick the best years and omit the bad let's be fair and look at the overall career over the 7 years.

 

Ellsbury 21.2 WAR in 7years Red Sox

Bradley Jr 11.8 WAR in 7 years

 

do you wish we had ellsbury playing CF the past 4 seasons instead of JBj?

is that your claim?

[Larry33]

Meh. Agree Ellsbury's 2011 was a false high which he never came close to repeating, especially the 32 dingers. And no question JBJ is the better centerfielder. Thus it was a smart move by the Sox not to try to keep Ellsbury and to gamble on JBJ in 2014 even though he bombed.

 

The problem is that JBJ is hugely inconsistent at the plate except for that one great season, 2016. In the three seasons since then, his overall WAR's have gone steadily down--5.5 in 2016, 3.0 in 2017, 2.1 in 2018, and -1.3 so far in 2019.

 

My other point is that I think his defense is not nearly as important as his bat. He has had very few remarkable grabs this year and fewer still--perhaps none-- that made a difference in a game. But he has had many opportunities to contribute at the plate.

 

That said, I trust Cora to use JBJ intelligently and realize that with just 12 position players on the roster he probably should use JBJ most of the time.

 

Defensively JBJ is the better CF but Ellsbury was no slouch either he might not read the ball off the bat as well JBJ but he made up for it with his superior speed he's also a GG CFder.

 

Ellsbury was definitely the overall better player taking into account the offensive side of the game with hitting in the leadoff spot and the stolen bases.

[jacksonianmarch]

As JBJ ages, his glove will drop off. If he can’t hit, he will be useless

[Larry33]

do you wish we had ellsbury playing CF the past 4 seasons instead of JBj?

is that your claim?

 

No I'm saying in the 7 years that Jacoby Ellsbury wore the Red Sox uniform he was the better player over JBJ.

[notin]

As JBJ ages, his glove will drop off. If he can’t hit, he will be useless

 

And that’s when the Yankees will step in and sign him for $168mill over 7 years.

 

JBJ is under team control for next season. How much aging do you think Sox fans need to be worried about between now and then?

[notin]

No I'm saying in the 7 years that Jacoby Ellsbury wore the Red Sox uniform he was the better player over JBJ.

 

I’m ok with that. But that doesn’t make it a slight to Bradley...