Pedroia out with renewed left knee pain

[Spudboy]

I very much doubt that Pedroia would bring anything new or game changing to a coaching position with the Sox. In fact, we don't even know if that is a path he would want to take.

 

His only utility as a coach on the Sox would be to give warm and fuzzy feelings to those that are overly sentimental about the guy.

 

I have almost always liked the guy. But I don't really care what happens now with him. His continued "rehabs" are nothing more than a selfish distraction at best.

 

He is done. He needs to be off the 25 man.

[cp176]

I'm not caught up in the euphoria of watching Pedroia continue his rehab into the next decade. I respect what he has done and the way he has always approached the game but I am going to have a hard time dealing with a player doing what Chavis is doing being pushed aside if it should come to that in order to watch Pedroia get one more chance. I'm sure that there are people here who still believe that he can be a great asset to this team. Sorry, I guess I am not one of them. it has just been too long since he has faced real competition at the highest level. It is sad and it has to be tough on him but what Chavis has done in the field has been more than adequate. He works hard and he is going too get better. At the plate it is a no brainer.

[Slasher9]

pedroia is done. this rehab/play 1 game/setback/rehab/rinse-wash-repeat stuff is becoming embarrassing.

[moonslav59]

I'm not caught up in the euphoria of watching Pedroia continue his rehab into the next decade. I respect what he has done and the way he has always approached the game but I am going to have a hard time dealing with a player doing what Chavis is doing being pushed aside if it should come to that in order to watch Pedroia get one more chance. I'm sure that there are people here who still believe that he can be a great asset to this team. Sorry, I guess I am not one of them. it has just been too long since he has faced real competition at the highest level. It is sad and it has to be tough on him but what Chavis has done in the field has been more than adequate. He works hard and he is going too get better. At the plate it is a no brainer.

 

100%.

 

Thing may change in the next few weeks or months, but as of right now, Chavis needs to play nearly everyday.

[moonslav59]

pedroia is done. this rehab/play 1 game/setback/rehab/rinse-wash-repeat stuff is becoming embarrassing.

 

Yes...far from euphoric.

[notin]

I very much doubt that Pedroia would bring anything new or game changing to a coaching position with the Sox. In fact, we don't even know if that is a path he would want to take.

 

His only utility as a coach on the Sox would be to give warm and fuzzy feelings to those that are overly sentimental about the guy.

 

I have almost always liked the guy. But I don't really care what happens now with him. His continued "rehabs" are nothing more than a selfish distraction at best.

 

He is done. He needs to be off the 25 man.

 

 

He is off the 25 man.

 

The guy has been an incredible player for the Sox for a long time and is only trying to hold on to the only life he’s ever known for as long as possible. He isn’t hurting the team at all; it’s not like Holt and Nunez we’re doing such great jobs benching them would have been criminal. He may never play again, but all he’s doing now is trying.

 

Yet so many people keep trying to wish him out of existence for some reason...

[Bellhorn04]

He is off the 25 man.

 

The guy has been an incredible player for the Sox for a long time and is only trying to hold on to the only life he’s ever known for as long as possible. He isn’t hurting the team at all; it’s not like Holt and Nunez we’re doing such great jobs benching them would have been criminal. He may never play again, but all he’s doing now is trying.

 

Yet so many people keep trying to wish him out of existence for some reason...

 

The ruthlessness of the sports fan. If you can't perform for us, we would prefer that you just go away.

[Slasher9]

The ruthlessness of the sports fan. If you can't perform for us, we would prefer that you just go away.

 

or it could be "its not me, its them"

 

this fan just needs him to sit quietly and collect his $28MM.

[notin]

The ruthlessness of the sports fan. If you can't perform for us, we would prefer that you just go away.

 

 

The thing is, he probably has already gone away. He’ll probably try a few more brief comebacks, but all ending with the same result.

 

Over the next 2 3/4 seasons, I would be surprised if Pedroia played in as many as 20 games, which is fewer than Bryce Brentz has played in since 2016. But I don’t see anyone wishing Brentz would go away or retire or calling him an embarrassment. I might be the biggest Brentz detractor on these boards and I’ve never said any of that. And Brentz’ contributions over the next 2+ years are not going to significantly outweigh Pedroia’s, and his past ones are completely dwarfed by Dustin’s. And that is a massive understatement in itself.

 

But hey, it’s time to hate our past heroes because they aren’t heroes anymore...

[Bellhorn04]

The thing is, he probably has already gone away. He’ll probably try a few more brief comebacks, but all ending with the same result.

 

Over the next 2 3/4 seasons, I would be surprised if Pedroia played in as many as 20 games, which is fewer than Bryce Brentz has played in since 2016. But I don’t see anyone wishing Brentz would go away or retire or calling him an embarrassment. I might be the biggest Brentz detractor on these boards and I’ve never said any of that. And Brentz’ contributions over the next 2+ years are not going to significantly outweigh Pedroia’s, and his past ones are completely dwarfed by Dustin’s. And that is a massive understatement in itself.

 

But hey, it’s time to hate our past heroes because they aren’t heroes anymore...

 

It sort of makes me appreciate Ted Williams's incredible 'screw you' gesture to the 'Fenway faithful' when he homered on his final at-bat but refused to acknowledge the crowd that wanted desperately for him to take a bow.

[Bellhorn04]

or it could be "its not me, its them"

 

One stupid moment in a long career.

[mvp 78]

The thing is, he probably has already gone away. He’ll probably try a few more brief comebacks, but all ending with the same result.

 

Over the next 2 3/4 seasons, I would be surprised if Pedroia played in as many as 20 games, which is fewer than Bryce Brentz has played in since 2016. But I don’t see anyone wishing Brentz would go away or retire or calling him an embarrassment. I might be the biggest Brentz detractor on these boards and I’ve never said any of that. And Brentz’ contributions over the next 2+ years are not going to significantly outweigh Pedroia’s, and his past ones are completely dwarfed by Dustin’s. And that is a massive understatement in itself.

 

But hey, it’s time to hate our past heroes because they aren’t heroes anymore...

 

Trying to equate Pedroia with Brentz, a new low for rationality on TalkSox.

 

Brentz is NOT on the 40 man roster. Brentz does NOT have a cap hit of 13.75M for the next 3 years.

[SoxnCycles]

or it could be "its not me, its them"

 

this fan just needs him to sit quietly and collect his $28MM.

 

That definitely didn't help his image.

But, after thinking about it, I put more of the blame on Farrell.

[Bellhorn04]

While I'm venting on the topic of miserable prick sports fans, here's something that always amuses me.

 

For most sports fans, there's nothing worse than a player who doesn't hustle.

 

But with a player like Pedroia, you will also hear comments about his 'reckless' style of play, diving for balls and so on, and it's not really a compliment, because the implication is that the style of play contributes to the player getting injured as much as they do.

[mvp 78]

While I'm venting on the topic of miserable prick sports fans, here's something that always amuses me.

 

For most sports fans, there's nothing worse than a player who doesn't hustle.

 

But with a player like Pedroia, you will also hear comments about his 'reckless' style of play, diving for balls and so on, and it's not really a compliment, because the implication is that the style of play contributes to the player getting injured as much as they do.

 

I just don't want him sliding head first into 1b. He was always a big offender of that dumb play. If he wants to get dirty the rest of the time, I'm ok with it.

[cp176]

He is off the 25 man.

 

The guy has been an incredible player for the Sox for a long time and is only trying to hold on to the only life he’s ever known for as long as possible. He isn’t hurting the team at all; it’s not like Holt and Nunez we’re doing such great jobs benching them would have been criminal. He may never play again, but all he’s doing now is trying.

 

Yet so many people keep trying to wish him out of existence for some reason...

 

i'm not sure that anyone wishes bad things for this guy to say nothing about wishing him out of existence. i could counter your comment by saying that I just don't understand why there are so many people out there who think that he should be put back into a starting role just as soon as he says he is able. Bottom line for me is that I would be upset if that were to happen. As good as he has been, I don't think that you jettison someone who is doing the job so that we can watch him have another shot. Cruel of me I guess.

[cp176]

The thing is, he probably has already gone away. He’ll probably try a few more brief comebacks, but all ending with the same result.

 

Over the next 2 3/4 seasons, I would be surprised if Pedroia played in as many as 20 games, which is fewer than Bryce Brentz has played in since 2016. But I don’t see anyone wishing Brentz would go away or retire or calling him an embarrassment. I might be the biggest Brentz detractor on these boards and I’ve never said any of that. And Brentz’ contributions over the next 2+ years are not going to significantly outweigh Pedroia’s, and his past ones are completely dwarfed by Dustin’s. And that is a massive understatement in itself.

 

But hey, it’s time to hate our past heroes because they aren’t heroes anymore...

 

 

lol - You must be talking about that old "Its not me, it's them" Bryce Brentz. Seriously, a comparison of Pedroia to Bryce Brentz in any way is a massive compliment from a sports fan. Bryce must be doing something right.

[Slasher9]

The thing is, he probably has already gone away. He’ll probably try a few more brief comebacks, but all ending with the same result.

 

Over the next 2 3/4 seasons, I would be surprised if Pedroia played in as many as 20 games, which is fewer than Bryce Brentz has played in since 2016. But I don’t see anyone wishing Brentz would go away or retire or calling him an embarrassment. I might be the biggest Brentz detractor on these boards and I’ve never said any of that. And Brentz’ contributions over the next 2+ years are not going to significantly outweigh Pedroia’s, and his past ones are completely dwarfed by Dustin’s. And that is a massive understatement in itself.

 

But hey, it’s time to hate our past heroes because they aren’t heroes anymore...

 

come on notin. not even close to trying to compare a previous RoY, MVP, GG player to bretz. Pedrioa had a great career as the Boston Red Sox 2bman for many years and was part of a couple parades. he should never pay for a beer in a NE state again. but i really dont need to see articles about him rehabbing nor do i need to see a closeup of him on NESN and listen to OB wax on about his rehabbing. the dude is DONE. like i said...just sit quiet and collect those millions.

[S5Dewey]

Anyone who has played sports competitively knows how difficult it is to know when to call it quits and IMO that's what's going on with Pedroia. I'm sure he wants to come back and the FO may be giving him every chance to do it out of respect for him. Deep down they know what we know, that it's not going to happen, but then need to have it be Pedey's decision and not the FO's, both out of respect for Pedey and because DFA'ing him would be a PR nightmare.

[notin]

lol - You must be talking about that old "Its not me, it's them" Bryce Brentz. Seriously, a comparison of Pedroia to Bryce Brentz in any way is a massive compliment from a sports fan. Bryce must be doing something right.

 

 

Brentz was used more so to show the frequency with which we should expect to see Pedroia play over the duration of his contract. He’s just not likely to play often enough to draw the ire he’s getting. And he’s not going to be taking significant time away from any younger, more able-bodied players.

 

If he retires, he’ll have a nice life. But apparently most MLB players have the attitude of “make them rip the uniform off of you,” and that’s exactly what I expect from Pedroia. And I think he’s earned it...

[notin]

come on notin. not even close to trying to compare a previous RoY, MVP, GG player to bretz. Pedrioa had a great career as the Boston Red Sox 2bman for many years and was part of a couple parades. he should never pay for a beer in a NE state again. but i really dont need to see articles about him rehabbing nor do i need to see a closeup of him on NESN and listen to OB wax on about his rehabbing. the dude is DONE. like i said...just sit quiet and collect those millions.

 

 

Not about the career comparison. Just about the upper limit of how many games Pedroia might have left. I don’t begrudge him for not going away quietly. If I were in his position, I’d do the exact same thing.

 

And I’m probably not alone there among people on this board...

[notin]

Anyone who has played sports competitively knows how difficult it is to know when to call it quits and IMO that's what's going on with Pedroia. I'm sure he wants to come back and the FO may be giving him every chance to do it out of respect for him. Deep down they know what we know, that it's not going to happen, but then need to have it be Pedey's decision and not the FO's, both out of respect for Pedey and because DFA'ing him would be a PR nightmare.

 

 

Exactly.

[notin]

i'm not sure that anyone wishes bad things for this guy to say nothing about wishing him out of existence. i could counter your comment by saying that I just don't understand why there are so many people out there who think that he should be put back into a starting role just as soon as he says he is able. Bottom line for me is that I would be upset if that were to happen. As good as he has been, I don't think that you jettison someone who is doing the job so that we can watch him have another shot. Cruel of me I guess.

 

Well, before he is handed the starting role, let’s have him get healthy first. But I see no reason why he shouldn’t try that. There may be long term medical implications, but the decision to ignore or adhere to them is on him and not me....

[moonslav59]

Well, before he is handed the starting role, let’s have him get healthy first. But I see no reason why he shouldn’t try that. There may be long term medical implications, but the decision to ignore or adhere to them is on him and not me....

 

If he does stay healthy, and that's a huge IF, he will be worked in slowly, anyways. When he plays 2B (maybe twice a week to start, again assuming he's healthy, Chavis can DH, play 3B or 1B as others get the rest Cora demands of them.

 

If Pedey does well, then we'll want to find a way to work him into a larger role, if possible. If he does poorly or aggravates his knee again, then nothing was lost.

[mvp 78]

If the Sox choose to carry 12 pitchers, they can squeeze him onto the roster and keep him as a part time guy. Maybe him playing a part time roll and hitting below .200 will nudge him out the door?

 

What happens when Holt comes back? Either DFA Pearce or Holt. I'd keep Pearce over Holt at this point. There's a very good chance you DFA Holt and no one claims him.

[notin]

If he does stay healthy, and that's a huge IF, he will be worked in slowly, anyways. When he plays 2B (maybe twice a week to start, again assuming he's healthy, Chavis can DH, play 3B or 1B as others get the rest Cora demands of them.

 

If Pedey does well, then we'll want to find a way to work him into a larger role, if possible. If he does poorly or aggravates his knee again, then nothing was lost.

 

 

They’re not going to bench Chavis until Chavis himself gives them good reason. DH, 1b,3b, LF. They’ll find somewhere to play him as long as he keeps this up...

[moonslav59]

They’re not going to bench Chavis until Chavis himself gives them good reason. DH, 1b,3b, LF. They’ll find somewhere to play him as long as he keeps this up...

 

Yes, I agree.

 

There can be room for a productive Pedey AND Chavis, if that ever happens.

[cp176]

Brentz was used more so to show the frequency with which we should expect to see Pedroia play over the duration of his contract. He’s just not likely to play often enough to draw the ire he’s getting. And he’s not going to be taking significant time away from any younger, more able-bodied players.

 

If he retires, he’ll have a nice life. But apparently most MLB players have the attitude of “make them rip the uniform off of you,” and that’s exactly what I expect from Pedroia. And I think he’s earned it...

 

I agree for the most part with what you are saying. In the same situation, I would do exactly the same thing that he is doing. I do think that although it is early, many people are likely wondering how healthy and how good does he have to be to resume paling second base for us. Obviously it is a waiting game but personally if Chavis continues to perform adequately at second base, I'm not sure that I would move him until I was completely satisfied the current edition of Pedroia will be able to help this team. I'm thinking that there is a fear that when declared healthy he is going to be popped right back in that lineup and it will be business as usual. Everybody knows what he has done and what he has been capable of doing. The problem is that it has been a long time now since he has done much of anything.

[notin]

R

I agree for the most part with what you are saying. In the same situation, I would do exactly the same thing that he is doing. I do think that although it is early, many people are likely wondering how healthy and how good does he have to be to resume paling second base for us. Obviously it is a waiting game but personally if Chavis continues to perform adequately at second base, I'm not sure that I would move him until I was completely satisfied the current edition of Pedroia will be able to help this team. I'm thinking that there is a fear that when declared healthy he is going to be popped right back in that lineup and it will be business as usual. Everybody knows what he has done and what he has been capable of doing. The problem is that it has been a long time now since he has done much of anything.

 

I’m sure the performance of Chavis is a factor for some people in their wanting Pedroia to retire, but I doubt it’s going to matter. As long as Chavis continues to hit, they’ll find a position for him. It’s not like he’s killing it at 2b...

[kenmeister]

They’re not going to bench Chavis until Chavis himself gives them good reason. DH, 1b,3b, LF. They’ll find somewhere to play him as long as he keeps this up...

 

Given Pedroia's bad knees, DH seems to be the best option, on the days JDM plays the outfield. But if Pearce's bat comes around, Pedroia won't have a role.