Sox and Xander Bogaerts reportedly nearing contract extension

[jacksonianmarch]

They aren’t going to lose Martinez. The Sox are already prepared to pay him $62mill over the next 3 years, and if he opts out for more years at a lower AAV, they’ll be involved in that,too.

 

The JD Martinez-Dombrowski relationship goes back way too many years and so far, DD seems like the only GM to ever have faith in this guy...

 

I went over the lux tax implications in another thread. JD returning would definitely make filling out a roster really difficult. But then again, keeping him makes your lineup more potent. I honestly think DD is hoping that JD opts out so he can avoid paying for his down years. DH types got real cheap of late and JD is good enough to demand a strong return for his production. I could see the sox offering a QO, letting him walk and signing an Edwin Encarnacion type for a year at a time and rolling that way

[Nick]

Sale to defer undisclosed amount of salaries, reducing average annual value to $25.6M

 

Per Cot's. Thus his delta is $10.6M which I this is very reasonable.

 

Xander's delta appears to be $8M.

 

To think both salaries are covered by Pablo's is pretty good deal for the Sox.

[moonslav59]

Sale to defer undisclosed amount of salaries, reducing average annual value to $25.6M

 

Per Cot's. Thus his delta is $10.6M which I this is very reasonable.

 

Xander's delta appears to be $8M.

 

To think both salaries are covered by Pablo's is pretty good deal for the Sox.

 

Since Bogey's deal does not change his salary this year, I'm under the impression the tax hit will be $12M this year and then $20M for the next 6 years, assuming no opt out.

[S5Dewey]

IMO DD is preparing to let Betts go and keep everyone else he can "afford" to pay.

 

He may be thinking that the team is better off with 25 solid-to-outstanding players than with one HOF'er and filling the 25 with lesser players. Bill Belichick would agree - although it's pretty hard to say that TB12 isn't a HOF'er .

[BillyWilliams]

IMO DD is preparing to let Betts go and keep everyone else he can "afford" to pay.

 

He may be thinking that the team is better off with 25 solid-to-outstanding players than with one HOF'er and filling the 25 with lesser players. Bill Belichick would agree - although it's pretty hard to say that TB12 isn't a HOF'er .

 

I agree

[mvp 78]

IMO DD is preparing to let Betts go and keep everyone else he can "afford" to pay.

 

He may be thinking that the team is better off with 25 solid-to-outstanding players than with one HOF'er and filling the 25 with lesser players. Bill Belichick would agree - although it's pretty hard to say that TB12 isn't a HOF'er .

 

This cinches it. Mookie will be signed long term.

[Bellhorn04]

IMO DD is preparing to let Betts go and keep everyone else he can "afford" to pay.

 

He may be thinking that the team is better off with 25 solid-to-outstanding players than with one HOF'er and filling the 25 with lesser players. Bill Belichick would agree - although it's pretty hard to say that TB12 isn't a HOF'er .

 

TB12 is sort of a difference-maker!

[Nick]

Since Bogey's deal does not change his salary this year, I'm under the impression the tax hit will be $12M this year and then $20M for the next 6 years, assuming no opt out.

Yep

[Bellhorn04]

Yep

 

This is actually a pretty big change they made in the new CBA, allowing teams to choose what year to make extensions effective.

 

I'm guessing the thing with Sale's deferral was in the new CBA too.

 

Funny that just now we're seeing there were some measures that did encourage teams to spend by being able to juggle the tax numbers a bit.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

I've said all along that the Red Sox would sign Bogaerts and Betts long term and that Bradley Jr would be the guy left out. The problem with Bradley Jr is that so much of his value is tied to his defense and his defense will likely decline before Bogaerts and Betts' offense declines.

 

You replace Bradley Jr with a league minimum salary (?), replace Porcello with a league minimum salary (Johnson, Houck, etc), replace the starting 1b with a league minimum salary (Chavis, Dalbec), replace the closer with a league minimum salary (Feltman), and there is plenty of money left for Betts.

 

Speaking of a league minimum salary, do the Red Sox now move Chatham to 2b? The Red Sox need a future 2b. Chatham was another great draft selection by the best GM in MLB.

Edited April 1, 2019 by Fan_since_Boggs

[jacksonianmarch]

FsB, the problem with those league minimum salaries is that there’s a significant chance all or some of them will absolutely suck. When you’re proposing open a window, the margin becomes razor thin and you need to have reliable output from a thin group of kids. This is what happens when you get towards the end of a window. Mediocre prospects reach the bigs and end up being mediocre or worse. Yes, JBJ’s value is tied up in defense. Yes, it’s likely to fall off. But replacing the 2019 or 2020 JBJ with a guy who doesn’t hit or field as well will hurt your team

[Fan_since_Boggs]

The trickiest guy to replace is Bradley Jr. The Red Sox don't have any future starting CFs in the upper levels of their system. I don't know where Bradley's replacement comes from but I suspect they will trade for a glove first CF, a younger player, and just live with his inconsistent bat.

 

To be sure, replacing a guy like Bradley Jr., a 8th or 9th hitter with a good glove, is easier than replacing a stud like Mookie Betts.

Edited April 1, 2019 by Fan_since_Boggs

[jacksonianmarch]

That’s absolutely true. That being said, you could nab a good CFer and a good RFer for the salary you’ll be paying the transcendent Betts

[jacksonianmarch]

Taken differently, let’s say you get a guy like Lagares, who at least replaces the glove of Bradley. The bottom of your lineup will be

 

 

2B Pedroia? Lin?

1B Chavis/Dalbec

CF Lagares

C Vasquez

 

If the kids don’t hit, that lineup gets awfully top heavy

[BillyWilliams]

I went over the lux tax implications in another thread. JD returning would definitely make filling out a roster really difficult. But then again, keeping him makes your lineup more potent. I honestly think DD is hoping that JD opts out so he can avoid paying for his down years. DH types got real cheap of late and JD is good enough to demand a strong return for his production. I could see the sox offering a QO, letting him walk and signing an Edwin Encarnacion type for a year at a time and rolling that way

 

So DH's are cheap but jd, a DH, is going to get a strong return?

 

Which is it?

[jacksonianmarch]

JD is in a class of his own. He’s such a good hitter that he will command a bigger salary. The next step down got cheaper this offseason with a guy like Cruz getting $12 mil (granted, he’s older). I also think EE would command something similar

[a700hitter]

 

Need to see details before giving my reaction.. But hopefully this doesn't mean Mookie won't be re-signed.

It is done. Six years $120 million.

http://www.mlb.com/redsox/news/xander-bogaerts-red-sox-extension

[BillyWilliams]

Xander Bogaerts contract affects free agency

WWW.MLB.COM

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Next year’s free-agent class took another hit on Sunday night, as the Red Sox and Xander Bogaerts near an extension that will keep the talented shortstop in Boston through 2025. According to a source, the six-year extension will pay Bogaerts $120 million, locking in another of Boston’s key contributors as

[moonslav59]

That’s absolutely true. That being said, you could nab a good CFer and a good RFer for the salary you’ll be paying the transcendent Betts

 

It might very well be...

 

2B: Pedey/Holt

LF: JD

CF: Beni

1B/DH: Chavis

3B/1B: Devers

3B: Dalbec

C: Vaz/Swihart

 

It may not be a bad bottom of the order.

[moonslav59]

Xander Bogaerts contract affects free agency

WWW.MLB.COM

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Next year’s free-agent class took another hit on Sunday night, as the Red Sox and Xander Bogaerts near an extension that will keep the talented shortstop in Boston through 2025. According to a source, the six-year extension will pay Bogaerts $120 million, locking in another of Boston’s key contributors as

 

Could it affect arb numbers?

[mvp 78]

It might very well be...

 

2B: Pedey/Holt

LF: JD

CF: Beni

1B/DH: Chavis

3B/1B: Devers

3B: Dalbec

C: Vaz/Swihart

 

It may not be a bad bottom of the order.

 

Beni is terrible in CF.

[vegasbob]

Here's what can't be afforded . Players who can't stay on the field and play at the level that earned their compensation in the first place. Pedroia is #1 ???? in the current parade . Sale needs to keep his shoulder and arm attached despite his fairly unorthodox throwing motion for another 5 years. David Price needs to stay upright for more than a few years. The Moreland, Pearce, Nunez days will come to a natural end, to be filled by MLB minimum salary type guys if they can graduate MiLB. JDM's limited time in the field could prolong his DH career , and Bogaerts hasn't been an injury problem, except when hit by a pitch. Porcello may need to go for salary sakes and maybe , finally, the Sox can develop D. Hernandez to be a starter, better than Erod. Mookie Betts will be an interesting test case for FA superstars . Just don't see the Red Sox closing that loop and keeping him long term.

 

I think the players taking the extensions and possibly forgoing a mega FA contract are making smart moves because all of them are in the $100 million++ range which is generational money for them and their families .

[mvp 78]

Here's what can't be afforded . Players who can't stay on the field and play at the level that earned their compensation in the first place. Pedroia is #1 ???? in the current parade . Sale needs to keep his shoulder and arm attached despite his fairly unorthodox throwing motion for another 5 years. David Price needs to stay upright for more than a few years. The Moreland, Pearce, Nunez days will come to a natural end, to be filled by MLB minimum salary type guys if they can graduate MiLB. JDM's limited time in the field could prolong his DH career , and Bogaerts hasn't been an injury problem, except when hit by a pitch. Porcello may need to go for salary sakes and maybe , finally, the Sox can develop D. Hernandez to be a starter, better than Erod. Mookie Betts will be an interesting test case for FA superstars . Just don't see the Red Sox closing that loop and keeping him long term.

 

I think the players taking the extensions and possibly forgoing a mega FA contract are making smart moves because all of them are in the $100 million++ range which is generational money for them and their families .

 

He signed a below market deal? What else could you ask for?

[Bellhorn04]

Pedroia got his knee ripped up by Machado. Unfortunately, no one can foresee injuries...could easily happen to Bogey too.

[S5Dewey]

Pedroia got his knee ripped up by Machado. Unfortunately, no one can foresee injuries...could easily happen to Bogey too.

 

Or Machado.

[Slasher9]

Or Machado.

 

ahahahhahaha. s5 never forgets.

 

IN.

[notin]

Pedroia got his knee ripped up by Machado. Unfortunately, no one can foresee injuries...could easily happen to Bogey too.

 

 

Pedroia’s deal was a bargain.

 

In the three seasons prior, Pedroia was worth 20.9 fWAR, which ranked third among MLB second basemen, trailing only Cano and Ben Zonrist. And Zobrist’s total was a reflection of his versatility, as it was inflated by multiple defensive contributions.

 

That off-season, both Cano and Pedroia signed new contracts. Check out the differences in those deals sometime...

[Jasonbay44]

I’m just saying, I’ve been fine with numerous players leaving, but letting Mookie Betts walk is not something I’d be a fan of. He’s a generational talent, great on and off the field, it would be hard to fathom him in another uniform. I know long term deals suck at end, but Mookie is one of few guys id be okay giving 10 years too.

[mvp 78]

I’m just saying, I’ve been fine with numerous players leaving, but letting Mookie Betts walk is not something I’d be a fan of. He’s a generational talent, great on and off the field, it would be hard to fathom him in another uniform. I know long term deals suck at end, but Mookie is one of few guys id be okay giving 10 years too.

 

^^^

[fxkatt]

Pedroia's contract offered a yearly savings for sure, but it was LONG... till 37 years old. So 14m a year was more like 18m a year, and may turn out to be more like 22m per year in actual value to the Sox.. unless Pedroia can make a big comeback and play 2 more solid years out of the 3 remaining.