Devers

[Slasher9]

this should be fun.

[mvp 78]

Well, we are all entitled to our opinions but I think there's a difference between greenies and steroids or HGH.

 

But that's my opinion, you may or may not agree.

 

Obviously most of the voters agree as far as the Hall is concerned as there are only a couple of guys like pedro and Pudge that were voted in while guys like Clemens and Bonds have been in limbo.

 

I'm not sure I even want to ask.

[notin]

Because I'm not a big fan of juicers being in the Hall.

 

 

But you don’t even know if Beltre was cheating. If he tested positive for an allowed substance like androstenedione, does it change your opinion?

 

So you condemn Beltre, who may have done nothing wrong, but praise Nettles, a known bat corker?

[BillyWilliams]

But you don’t even know if Beltre was cheating. If he tested positive for an allowed substance like androstenedione, does it change your opinion?

 

So you condemn Beltre, who may have done nothing wrong, but praise Nettles, a known bat corker?

 

I praised Nettles' fielding, didn't realize he did that with a corked bat, which makes it even more amazing.

[notin]

I praised Nettles' fielding, didn't realize he did that with a corked bat, which makes it even more amazing.

 

 

Technically Nettles preferred super balls over actual cork. There was a famous incident in (I believe) Cleveland where his bat broke and a slew of super balls scattered around the right side of the infield.

 

But what he did was also cheating. Stupid cheating, granted, since doctoring a bat more often can lead to reduced power. But cheating nonetheless. I don’t get why fans get so down on steroid cheaters but have no problem exonerating players who doctor bats and balls (and do so defiantly, like Hall of Famer Gaylord Perry).

 

Some of the PED users weren’t cheating because rules allowed what they did. The same cannot be said for Perry and the bat corkers.

 

(Side note: Perry and the Bat Corkers was the name of my band in high school.)

[harmony]

One comp to Rafael Devers might be Atlanta infielder Ozzie Albies, who is 75 days younger than Devers.

 

Devers posted an OPS+ of 112 in 240 plate appearances as a 20 year old in 2017.

 

Albies posted an OPS+ of 112 in 244 plate appearances as a 20 year old in 2017.

 

As a 21 year old in 2018, Devers posted an OPS+ of 94 in 490 plate appearances with 21 home runs and a slash line of .240/.298/.433/.731.

 

As a 21 year old in 2018, Albies posted an OPS+ of 102 in 684 plate appearances with 24 home runs and a slash line of .261/.305/.452/.757.

 

In 2018 Devers posted 0.0 bWAR and 1.0 fWAR while Albies, with superior defensive skills, posted 3.8 bWAR and 3.8 fWAR with an All Star appearance.

[dgalehouse]

One comp to Rafael Devers might be Atlanta infielder Ozzie Albies, who is 75 days younger than Devers.

 

Devers posted an OPS+ of 112 in 240 plate appearances as a 20 year old in 2017.

 

Albies posted an OPS+ of 112 in 244 plate appearances as a 20 year old in 2017.

 

As a 21 year old in 2018, Devers posted an OPS+ of 94 in 490 plate appearances with 21 home runs and a slash line of .240/.298/.433/.731.

 

As a 21 year old in 2018, Albies posted an OPS+ of 102 in 684 plate appearances with 24 home runs and a slash line of .261/.305/.452/.757.

 

In 2018 Devers posted 0.0 bWAR and 1.0 fWAR while Albies, with superior defensive skills, posted 3.8 bWAR and 3.8 fWAR with an All Star appearance.

 

The Cooler .

[moonslav59]

With such a short sample size, I find making comps based on WAR similarities is not very useful.

 

If they had similar minor league numbers and skill sets, then maybe yes.

 

I hated seeing Devers try and backhand that ball last night. It was a pretty easy play to get in front of.

 

Not a good start.

[BillyWilliams]

With such a short sample size, I find making comps based on WAR similarities is not very useful.

 

If they had similar minor league numbers and skill sets, then maybe yes.

 

I hated seeing Devers try and backhand that ball last night. It was a pretty easy play to get in front of.

 

Not a good start.

 

But yet a one season SSS is enough for you to proclaim cora as the greatest sawx manager of all time .............

[mvp 78]

But yet a one season SSS is enough for you to proclaim cora as the greatest sawx manager of all time .............

 

He's really only in competition with Tito. There have been a lot of really bad Sox managers. Farrell won a WS, but was a poor manager.

[BillyWilliams]

He's really only in competition with Tito. There have been a lot of really bad Sox managers. Farrell won a WS, but was a poor manager.

 

I just like how moonslob doesn't mind SSS when it suits his needs but is quick to harp on it when others use it.

[mvp 78]

I just like how moonslob doesn't mind SSS when it suits his needs but is quick to harp on it when others use it.

 

If I held everyone to the high standard I hold for myself, I'd block every poster on here.

[moonslav59]

But yet a one season SSS is enough for you to proclaim cora as the greatest sawx manager of all time .............

 

Only because all the large sample size managers sucked, except Tito.

[SCM33]

But yet a one season SSS is enough for you to proclaim cora as the greatest sawx manager of all time .............

 

1 Season. Most wins by a Sox team ever. Dominated the playoffs. Won the World Series.

 

Pretty decent start to his resume.

[mvp 78]

Devers has a DRS score of 1 right now. His defense is slowly but surely getting better and better.

 

BuT tHe EyE tEsT!

[jung]

If Devers never gets into an athletic position in preparation to make a play he is never going to be much of a fielder. Much more fielding is done with the feet than the glove. Sloppy or lazy footwork only makes it harder to make a play with the glove. In fact, I don't even watch ground balls to the fielder's glove. Why would I. The fielder is either going to catch it, knock it down or the ball is getting through untouched. I will know soon enough which one it is. I watch the fielder's foot work as soon as I know who has to make the play and keep watching it all the way to the play either being made or not.

 

In fact if at the game in person I will pay attention to the fielder's set up positions, left side of infield for RH hitters and right side of infield for LH hitters.

Edited April 11, 2019 by jung

[SCM33]

There isn't a bigger Devers supporter than me......but man, he somehow got worse defensively. 5 errors through 20 games. Hes on pace to make over 35 errors at 3B.

[moonslav59]

Devers has a DRS score of 1 right now. His defense is slowly but surely getting better and better.

 

BuT tHe EyE tEsT!

 

He's at -2 DRS, now.

 

Pedey is, too.

[moonslav59]

I've always thought Devers would end up at 1B, but I was willing to give him every opportunity to improve enough at 3B to stay there. It looked like he was getting better as 2018 rolled on, but this is unacceptable.

 

With Pearce & Moreland's contract up after this year, I'd look to try Devers & Chavis at 1B and maybe hope Dalbec can win the 3B job. Otherwise, we'll have to llok for a FA 3Bman next winter.

[SCM33]

6 errors now. Potentially cost them another game.

[oldtimer]

6 errors now. Potentially cost them another game.

 

6 errors and we are still in April. I will have to look up the worst ever. My guess is he is at a rate that will surpass it and become the new record holder.

[SCM33]

6 errors and we are still in April. I will have to look up the worst ever. My guess is he is at a rate that will surpass it and become the new record holder.

 

Butch Hobson I believe.

[oldtimer]

Butch Hobson I believe.

 

The records go way back when there were more errors. Couldn't find the record I was looking for but last year he had 24 errors (to lead the majors) and he did it in 116 game appearances. At his current rate he would get very close to 35 errors this year in the 116 games and I would expect him in 140 to 145 games this year in the regular season. If he keeps going at this rate he could have the incredible total of 42 errors. Moon suggest he might be on first base next season and there is a lot of sense in that thought.

[SCM33]

The records go way back when there were more errors. Couldn't find the record I was looking for but last year he had 24 errors (to lead the majors) and he did it in 116 game appearances. At his current rate he would get very close to 35 errors this year in the 116 games and I would expect him in 140 to 145 games this year in the regular season. If he keeps going at this rate he could have the incredible total of 42 errors. Moon suggest he might be on first base next season and there is a lot of sense in that thought.

 

I was talking about modern day. I believe Hobson made like 45 errors in 1 season in the late 70s.

 

I think it may be a little early to talk about Devers to 1B. He is clearly athletic enough to play 3B. It seems like a lack of concentration.

[illinoisredsox]

I was talking about modern day. I believe Hobson made like 45 errors in 1 season in the late 70s.

 

I think it may be a little early to talk about Devers to 1B. He is clearly athletic enough to play 3B. It seems like a lack of concentration.

 

Good memory. Hobson made 43 in 1978. IIRC, he had an injured elbow. I recall reading something about him rearranging bone chips in his elbow between pitches. And the idiot Zimmer kept trotting him out there virtually every day. Records show he played in 147 games that year, 14 at DH and 133 at 3B.

[Kimmi]

6 errors now. Potentially cost them another game.

 

Devers is an enigma. He often boot some fairly routine plays, then he'll turn around and make a Gold Glove caliber play.

[SCM33]

Devers is an enigma. He often boot some fairly routine plays, then he'll turn around and make a Gold Glove caliber play.

 

Hes an enigma, bc you know he can do it. Its a concentration thing for him I think.

[notin]

6 errors and we are still in April. I will have to

 

look up the worst ever. My guess is he is at a rate that will surpass it and become the new record holder.

 

Not likely.

 

In 1903, Cleveland Naps shortstop Johnny Gochnaur committed 98 errors. Coupled with his OPS+ of 54 that year, Gochnaur is a leading candidate for the worst season in MLB history...

[SCM33]

Not likely.

 

In 1903, Cleveland Naps shortstop Johnny Gochnaur committed 98 errors. Coupled with his OPS+ of 54 that year, Gochnaur is a leading candidate for the worst season in MLB history...

 

its a little tough comparing baseball 116 years ago to today. Fielding gloves barely existed, if at all and the crab grass in my backyard is better than most outfields were. Fields were in rough shape back then.

[Jason33]

I wish we would of made a run a Josh Donaldson. Don’t what his contract situation looks like but he would of been a good fit. The Braves aren’t letting him go. Plus he’s starting to hit the ball well. Beltre is just to old. I don’t think he’s even playing now.