Harper and Machado

[moonslav59]

There HAS to be an end to the madness somewhere.

 

The whole world is all about more, MORE, MORE!

[notin]

So.... Harper to Philadelphia and Machado to the White Sox?

[Bellhorn04]

So.... Harper to Philadelphia and Machado to the White Sox?

 

Looks that way at the moment. Some Yankee fans still think a swoop is coming though.

[BillyWilliams]

Looks that way at the moment. Some Yankee fans still think a swoop is coming though.

 

Not this Yankee fan ..........

[mvp 78]

Looks that way at the moment. Some Yankee fans still think a swoop is coming though.

 

Hal Steinbrenner is the GOAT. I love how much money he pockets and doesn't put into MLB payroll.

[notin]

Hal Steinbrenner is the GOAT. I love how much money he pockets and doesn't put into MLB payroll.

 

Hey! Those boats don't fuel themselves!

[Bellhorn04]

Some interesting and occasionally surprising comments from Dierkes here on Harper & Machado:

 

-He's very surprised how few teams have been in on them.

-He thinks it's going to be a while yet before either sign.

-He still expects them both to get deals surpassing Stanton's 325 million.

 

https://www.jotcast.com/chat/live-chat-with-tim-dierkes-4328.html

[Kimmi]

Some interesting and occasionally surprising comments from Dierkes here on Harper & Machado:

 

-He's very surprised how few teams have been in on them.

-He thinks it's going to be a while yet before either sign.

-He still expects them both to get deals surpassing Stanton's 325 million.

 

https://www.jotcast.com/chat/live-chat-with-tim-dierkes-4328.html

 

There was also a comment somewhere that Machado is not giving the Yankees a discount.

 

He is reportedly signing with whomever offers him the biggest contract.

[moonslav59]

There was also a comment somewhere that Machado is not giving the Yankees a discount.

 

He is reportedly signing with whomever offers him the biggest contract.

 

He should figure in local and state taxes and advertising opportunity differences., but it's up to him

[Northern Star]

https://deadspin.com/baseball-doesnt-need-collusion-to-turn-off-the-hot-stov-1831644811

[jacksonianmarch]

There was also a comment somewhere that Machado is not giving the Yankees a discount.

 

He is reportedly signing with whomever offers him the biggest contract.

 

And hence why the Yanks are out. If we were desperate, this would be over by now. We have multiple third base options including the ROY runner up from last year. I think we were looking ahead to this offseason in 2016 and then when we hit on so many of the rookies, it kinda became moot

[moonslav59]

And hence why the Yanks are out. If we were desperate, this would be over by now. We have multiple third base options including the ROY runner up from last year. I think we were looking ahead to this offseason in 2016 and then when we hit on so many of the rookies, it kinda became moot

 

Andujar at 1B would be a major upgrade. I'm still not sure the Yanks are out, especially when the prices of these contracts may not be as high as reported.

[Kimmi]

And hence why the Yanks are out. If we were desperate, this would be over by now. We have multiple third base options including the ROY runner up from last year. I think we were looking ahead to this offseason in 2016 and then when we hit on so many of the rookies, it kinda became moot

 

The Yankees don't need Machado. I never felt like upgrading your offense was a need or a priority. IMO, you need starting pitching more than anything.

 

That said, I still wouldn't count out the Yankees getting him.

[moonslav59]

The Yankees don't need Machado. I never felt like upgrading your offense was a need or a priority. IMO, you need starting pitching more than anything.

 

That said, I still wouldn't count out the Yankees getting him.

 

The Yanks don't have any glaring big weakness. One of their weakest positions is 1B, especially in light of how many teams have great offense from 1B.

 

Signing Machado and moving Andujar to 1B would be a great upgrade at 3 positions- offensively and defensively at 3B and offensively at 1B.

 

I agree: they don't "need" him.

[Bellhorn04]

So the Phillies are 'expected to make a formal offer to Harper sometime in the near future.'

 

Just take your time, guys, it's only January 16...

[Kimmi]

So the Phillies are 'expected to make a formal offer to Harper sometime in the near future.'

 

Just take your time, guys, it's only January 16...

 

These two just need to be signed already.

[redsoxrules]

Some interesting and occasionally surprising comments from Dierkes here on Harper & Machado:

 

-He's very surprised how few teams have been in on them.

-He thinks it's going to be a while yet before either sign.

-He still expects them both to get deals surpassing Stanton's 325 million.

 

https://www.jotcast.com/chat/live-chat-with-tim-dierkes-4328.html

 

If they both exceed 325 the GM's need to be fired.

Yeah their young and so what? Their production is still not worth that.

Harper is very inconsistent and is rated one of the worst base runners according to stat cast last year. His defense is nothing special.

His value is his bat and he's an inconsistent hitter.

 

You could maybe make a case for Manny due to his production for his position but last post season probably hurt his value a bit.

[notin]

So the Phillies are 'expected to make a formal offer to Harper sometime in the near future.'

 

Just take your time, guys, it's only January 16...

 

As January 17 passes, one can only suspect the Phillies' typewriter is malfunctioning.

 

Reportedly they were eager to get this offer out after their meeting. They clearly have a different definition of "eager" than the rest of the world...

[BillyWilliams]

Reggie Jackson to Bryce Harper, Manny Machado: It’s not all about the money

ByTom HanslinPosted on January 17, 2019

 

Reggie Jackson knows firsthand what it’s like to be one of the most sought-after players in baseball. The 72-year-old Hall-of-Famer, who headlined the first-ever free agent class back in 1976, became the highest-paid player at the time when he signed a five-year, $3.5 million contract with the Yankees. A bargain price, even by today’s standards.

 

But while the Yankees — among a few other clubs — continue to weigh the pros and cons of investing in flagship free agents Bryce Harper and Manny Machado behind closed doors, Jackson hopes the two 26-year-old superstars will prioritize winning over money once offers are proposed to them.

 

“The most important thing is to get on a team where you can flourish, and a team that will complement your skill set,” Jackson told SiriusXM’s MLB Network Radio on Wednesday. “I’ve seen players sign giant contracts and go to teams that have no chance to win, and I don’t quite get that… The talent you have is an asset, and you need to pick a spot where that asset and that talent that you have can grow, get better, and you can wind up with an opportunity to be a world champion. But that seems to get lost with trying to become the highest-paid player or tying to get the most money.”

 

Prior to this winter, industry experts projected that both Harper and Machado would receive record-shattering contracts — worth north of $300 million — due to their youth, experience, and track record. That valuation no longer appears to be realistic, however, due to the general lack of teams interested throughout baseball.

 

Because of this stunning reality, teams with the financial wherewithal or payroll flexibility to acquire either player (i.e. the Yankees, Phillies, and White Sox, to name a few) have dragged out negotiations, and it remains unclear as to when Harper and Machado will sign. It also remains unclear as to how much they will sign for. Teams have been taking full advantage of the waiting game, and as a result of this bargaining tactic, the vast majority of top players on the market will be forced to agree to terms that are well below their expectations.

 

Statistics and advanced analytics suggest that both Harper and Machado are deserving of average annual values (AAV) in the $30-40 million range. Too high? Too low? Just right?

 

Jackson’s opinion is far from original.

 

“Once you get past $20 million [per year], you’ve got enough for life,” said Jackson, who still works for the Yankees as a special adviser to Hal Steinbrenner. “And once you start getting to $30-40 million, you can change your entire family. There’s 40 members in my family, maybe 45, and the career I’ve had, I’ve been able to help change the direction of so many of those people with not nearly the amount of money that the players are asking for today…

 

“I want to see Bryce Harper and Manny Machado be great citizens and be great people, not worry so much about the money. Make sure that you add value to the community that you’re going to go to and the franchise and the game of baseball. Because you’re going to become one of the faces of the game. I don’t know whether you’re going to become the big guy that we’ve got in Aaron Judge or someone like that. But once you start making the big money, get in the right market, you can add value to the sport, the game, your family, yourself, as well as the franchise.”

 

It’s not hyperbole to say that Harper and Machado are on Hall-of-Fame tracks. According to FanGraphs, dating back to 1945, both players rank in the Top-20 of WAR (wins above replacement) accumulated through age 25.

 

http://bronxpinstripes.com/news-rumors/reggie-jackson-to-bryce-harper-manny-machado-its-not-all-about-the-money/

[Bellhorn04]

Did the Phillies get that offer to Harper prepared yet?

[notin]

Did the Phillies get that offer to Harper prepared yet?

 

 

This is actually slower than last off-season...

[Slasher9]

Did the Phillies get that offer to Harper prepared yet?

 

im shocked neither has been signed yet. maybe we should non roster invite them to Ft. Myers.....

[Bellhorn04]

im shocked neither has been signed yet. maybe we should non roster invite them to Ft. Myers.....

 

Not only have neither signed, but neither appear anywhere close.

[dgalehouse]

The problem for the top tier free agents is that there are so many teams who are not even remotely interested in spending that kind of money. It enables the few who are to play the waiting game in the belief that the players will have to settle for less. And the fact is that the White Sox and Phillies are not exactly the most desired destinations. The players and their agents can complain all they want , but it is what it is . You can't always get what you want.

[bkzwhitestrican]

Just when Machado is about to settle for $160M over 7 years with the Phillies is when the Yanks will jump in.

[notin]

Just when Machado is about to settle for $160M over 7 years with the Phillies is when the Yanks will jump in.

 

 

Or when Dombrowski empties out the pickle jar he keeps his Emergency Bullpen Fund in...

[Kimmi]

Reggie Jackson to Bryce Harper, Manny Machado: It’s not all about the money

ByTom HanslinPosted on January 17, 2019

 

“Once you get past $20 million [per year], you’ve got enough for life,” said Jackson, who still works for the Yankees as a special adviser to Hal Steinbrenner. “And once you start getting to $30-40 million, you can change your entire family. There’s 40 members in my family, maybe 45, and the career I’ve had, I’ve been able to help change the direction of so many of those people with not nearly the amount of money that the players are asking for today…

 

“I want to see Bryce Harper and Manny Machado be great citizens and be great people, not worry so much about the money. Make sure that you add value to the community that you’re going to go to and the franchise and the game of baseball. Because you’re going to become one of the faces of the game. I don’t know whether you’re going to become the big guy that we’ve got in Aaron Judge or someone like that. But once you start making the big money, get in the right market, you can add value to the sport, the game, your family, yourself, as well as the franchise.”

 

It’s not hyperbole to say that Harper and Machado are on Hall-of-Fame tracks. According to FanGraphs, dating back to 1945, both players rank in the Top-20 of WAR (wins above replacement) accumulated through age 25.

 

http://bronxpinstripes.com/news-rumors/reggie-jackson-to-bryce-harper-manny-machado-its-not-all-about-the-money/

 

Amen, Mr. Jackson.

[Kimmi]

Just when Machado is about to settle for $160M over 7 years with the Phillies is when the Yanks will jump in.

 

Yup, pretty much.

[redsoxrules]

im shocked neither has been signed yet. maybe we should non roster invite them to Ft. Myers.....

 

I'm not. They are waiting for a 400 Mil offer. So once they realize that ain't happening they will sign for something much lower

[notin]

January 26

 

Harper - still unsigned. No offer from Philly after saying they would make one 9 days ago. No real other rumors.

Machado - still unsigned. Tough to keep track who is still involved or if any team still cares

Kimbrel - still unsigned. Have there even been any rumors about interested teams?

Keuchel - still unsigned. Like several others, not much in the way of rumors.

Realmuto - still untraded. This is getting ridiculous, as it is two years running

Moustakas - still unsigned. How much does he hate free agency?