A Realistic View at 2019: Part I

[notin]

I thought the Mariners had been in last place.

 

Past tense.

 

I’m just assuming the Sox are, like I am assuming the Mariners have at least one top 100 prospect because, well, the Sox and Yankees don’t and all 100 can’t be Padres’ prospects...

[moonslav59]

I’m just assuming the Sox are, like I am assuming the Mariners have at least one top 100 prospect because, well, the Sox and Yankees don’t and all 100 can’t be Padres’ prospects...

 

60 Padres and 40 Braves

[Larry Cook]

60 Padres and 40 Braves

 

There is more than just Atlanta and San Diego.

 

Toronto has two diamonds in the kids of former major leaguers.

 

The astros have two mega monsters in Whitley and Tucker.

 

Someone publication just ranked our minor league system dead last! Welcome to the bottom of the barrel.

[moonslav59]

Could this work?

 

(Assuming the Marlins trade Realmuto)

 

Trade: Blake Swihart, Jhonathan Diaz & Raniel Raudes

to MIA

For: (LHP) Adam Conley ($1.1M & 3 arbs left)

 

Trade: Hector Velazquez (pre-arb), Michael Chavis (AAA), Mike Shawaryn (AAA)

to OAK

For: (RHP) Lou Trivino (pre-arb)

 

Probably not enough of an offer, right?

 

[moonslav59]

There is more than just Atlanta and San Diego.

 

Toronto has two diamonds in the kids of former major leaguers.

 

The astros have two mega monsters in Whitley and Tucker.

 

Someone publication just ranked our minor league system dead last! Welcome to the bottom of the barrel.

 

I was joking.

[harmony]

I’m just assuming the Sox are, like I am assuming the Mariners have at least one top 100 prospect because, well, the Sox and Yankees don’t and all 100 can’t be Padres’ prospects...

FWIW, the Seattle Mariners have four prospects in Baseball America's Top 100.

[notin]

There is more than just Atlanta and San Diego.

 

Toronto has two diamonds in the kids of former major leaguers.

 

 

 

Actually, four.

 

I assume you’re referring to Vlad Jr. and Bo Bichette. But they also have Cavan Biggio (sonof Craig) and Dwight Smith Jr (son of former Cub Dwight Sr). While the latter two are not as highly regarded as the former two, both would easily crack our top five...

[kenmeister]

Could this work?

 

(Assuming the Marlins trade Realmuto)

 

Trade: Blake Swihart, Jhonathan Diaz & Raniel Raudes

to MIA

For: (LHP) Adam Conley ($1.1M & 3 arbs left)

 

Trade: Hector Velazquez (pre-arb), Michael Chavis (AAA), Mike Shawaryn (AAA)

to OAK

For: (RHP) Lou Trivino (pre-arb)

 

Probably not enough of an offer, right?

 

 

The Texas Rangers came in last place. Jose Leclerc had a 1.56 ERA, 13.27 strikeout to walk ratio, and 0.85 WHIP in his 57.2 innings of work. I'm looking at their starting pitching, and I think they need starters badly. Could we not pry Leclerc loose with our preponderance of starters? From what I can tell, they have Mike Minor and a bunch of wannabes.

[BillyWilliams]

The Texas Rangers came in last place. Jose Leclerc had a 1.56 ERA, 13.27 strikeout to walk ratio, and 0.85 WHIP in his 57.2 innings of work. I'm looking at their starting pitching, and I think they need starters badly. Could we not pry Leclerc loose with our preponderance of starters? From what I can tell, they have Mike Minor and a bunch of wannabes.

 

"preponderance of starters"??!!

[moonslav59]

"preponderance of starters"??!!

 

I doubt other GMs are as high on Wright, Johnson, Velazquez and Shawaryn as many Sox fans seem to be, but a decent or near decent starter may be more valuable to some teams than a better than decent reliever.

[notin]

The Texas Rangers came in last place. Jose Leclerc had a 1.56 ERA, 13.27 strikeout to walk ratio, and 0.85 WHIP in his 57.2 innings of work. I'm looking at their starting pitching, and I think they need starters badly. Could we not pry Leclerc loose with our preponderance of starters? From what I can tell, they have Mike Minor and a bunch of wannabes.

 

 

The only SP on the Sox that would interest them is Rodriguez. Sale and Porcello have one year left. Price and Eovaldi are too expensive for a rebuilding team. And Johnson isn’t very good.

 

I’d rather keep ERod....

[notin]

I doubt other GMs are as high on Wright, Johnson, Velazquez and Shawaryn as many Sox fans seem to be, but a decent or near decent starter may be more valuable to some teams than a better than decent reliever.

 

 

Pittsburgh reportedly likes Sharwyn. But not enough to trade Felipe Vazquez. I imagine his dirt cheap salary and proximity to MLB make him somewhat viable trade bait. But he won’t get LeClerc or Streckenrider or any of the preponderance of closers on bad teams on his own...

[notin]

 

Someone publication just ranked our minor league system dead last! Welcome to the bottom of the barrel.

 

 

Publications have been ranking the Sox farm at the bottom for a couple years now. Baseball America hasn’t had a Sox prospect in the top 80 since 2017 when Benintendi, Devers and Groome were...

[bkzwhitestrican]

Neither the Red Sox nor the Yankees placed a player on Baseball America's Top 100 prospect list released today:

 

 

The Yankees did have two players in the Baseball Prospectus' top 100 list (released yesterday as well). Lasagna at 64 and Florial at 66.

 

https://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/article/46653/2019-prospects-the-top-101/

 

I'd say the Yanks' farm ranks somewhere between 15th and 20th. Not great, but not 30th at least

[notin]

The Yankees did have two players in the Baseball Prospectus' top 100 list (released yesterday as well). Lasagna at 64 and Florial at 66.

 

https://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/article/46653/2019-prospects-the-top-101/

 

I'd say the Yanks' farm ranks somewhere between 15th and 20th. Not great, but not 30th at least

 

 

Yes you can brag that the refuse in your farm is a better grade than ours...

[bkzwhitestrican]

Yes you can brag that the refuse in your farm is a better grade than ours...

 

Shinier turds have a greater chance of being diamonds.

 

That's a saying right? If not then it should be.

[notin]

Shinier turds have a greater chance of being diamonds.

 

That's a saying right? If not then it should be.

 

 

Actually it shouldn’t. But if you want to rifle through some turds and prove me wrong, be my guest...

 

[Nick]

Could this work?

 

(Assuming the Marlins trade Realmuto)

 

Trade: Blake Swihart, Jhonathan Diaz & Raniel Raudes

to MIA

For: (LHP) Adam Conley ($1.1M & 3 arbs left)

 

Trade: Hector Velazquez (pre-arb), Michael Chavis (AAA), Mike Shawaryn (AAA)

to OAK

For: (RHP) Lou Trivino (pre-arb)

 

Probably not enough of an offer, right?

 

 

Why trade away Chavis? Won't we need a 1B in 2020?

[notin]

Why trade away Chavis? Won't we need a 1B in 2020?

 

 

Chavis is the closest to MLB and arguably the best prospect in the Sox system. But corner INF is really the only position of depth we have, with Devers, Chavis and Dalbec vying for 2 positions possibly as soon as 2020. Counting Casas, the Sox top 3 position prospects are corner infielders, as are 7 of their top 18 prospects on Soxprospects.com...

[Slasher9]

Why trade away Chavis? Won't we need a 1B in 2020?

 

Because: Dave Dombrowski

[Nick]

Chavis is the closest to MLB and arguably the best prospect in the Sox system. But corner INF is really the only position of depth we have, with Devers, Chavis and Dalbec vying for 2 positions possibly as soon as 2020. Counting Casas, the Sox top 3 position prospects are corner infielders, as are 7 of their top 18 prospects on Soxprospects.com...

 

Color me skeptical when it comes to resetting. I don't think we'll get below the tax line.

 

But we still should show some fiscal constraint.

 

On one hand we complain about lack of farm, but we're quick to propose trading away young talent.

Farm system exists solely for the pleasure of major league team, I get it.

 

Sox are now in a different space. DD took the job on the heels of two last place finishes. He had one mandate and that was to do whatever it takes to get the team out of the gutter. He over spent on Price. He traded away valuable pieces to shore up the roster, Kimbrel and Pom comes to mind.

 

3 straight division titles and 1 world series championship. Let that sink in.

 

I agree with Moon in that we probably paid too much for Price, gave away too much talent for both Kimbrel and Pom. But those moves I think had to be made. But now?

 

I'm just opposed to trading away young players anymore. Especially our top ten prospects.

[harmony]

The Texas Rangers came in last place. Jose Leclerc had a 1.56 ERA, 13.27 strikeout to walk ratio, and 0.85 WHIP in his 57.2 innings of work. I'm looking at their starting pitching, and I think they need starters badly. Could we not pry Leclerc loose with our preponderance of starters? From what I can tell, they have Mike Minor and a bunch of wannabes.

The Texas Rangers have a projected starting rotation of Mike Minor, Lance Lynn, Drew Smyly, Edinson Volquez and Shelby Miller:

 

https://www.rosterresource.com/mlb-texas-rangers/

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/projections.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&type=steamer600&team=13&lg=all&players=0&sort=19,d

[Bellhorn04]

I agree with Moon in that we probably paid too much for Price, gave away too much talent for both Kimbrel and Pom. But those moves I think had to be made. But now?

 

If the moves had to be made, then we didn't pay too much IMHO. If Price didn't get that deal from us he probably would have gotten it elsewhere.

[dgalehouse]

People say they are concerned about Kimbrel's effectiveness going forward . Then you see some of the jabronis that are being suggested as replacements . It makes no sense . Are you not concerned about them ? Let's face it . It is all about the money . The question is : Is this really the area in which to economize? We will find out soon enough.

[notin]

People say they are concerned about Kimbrel's effectiveness going forward . Then you see some of the jabronis that are being suggested as replacements . It makes no sense . Are you not concerned about them ? Let's face it . It is all about the money . The question is : Is this really the area in which to economize? We will find out soon enough.

 

 

Bullpen is an area where Dombrowski has frequently economized with mixed results. While his failures in Detroit were heavily publicized, his track record in Florida was the polar opposite and is rarely mentioned...

[Slasher9]

Color me skeptical when it comes to resetting. I don't think we'll get below the tax line.

 

But we still should show some fiscal constraint.

 

On one hand we complain about lack of farm, but we're quick to propose trading away young talent.

Farm system exists solely for the pleasure of major league team, I get it.

 

Sox are now in a different space. DD took the job on the heels of two last place finishes. He had one mandate and that was to do whatever it takes to get the team out of the gutter. He over spent on Price. He traded away valuable pieces to shore up the roster, Kimbrel and Pom comes to mind.

 

3 straight division titles and 1 world series championship. Let that sink in.

 

I agree with Moon in that we probably paid too much for Price, gave away too much talent for both Kimbrel and Pom. But those moves I think had to be made. But now?

 

I'm just opposed to trading away young players anymore. Especially our top ten prospects.

 

good post. other than the first 2 sentences....hard to argue. (i do think JH tries to reset within the next year or 2 - especially after flying another pennant)

[dgalehouse]

Bullpen is an area where Dombrowski has frequently economized with mixed results. While his failures in Detroit were heavily publicized, his track record in Florida was the polar opposite and is rarely mentioned...

 

Yeah. And his track record in Boston has been excellent. At least up until now.

[moonslav59]

Why trade away Chavis? Won't we need a 1B in 2020?

 

Because we get a pre-arb very good RP'er, and we have Dalbec for 2020.

[moonslav59]

The Texas Rangers have a projected starting rotation of Mike Minor, Lance Lynn, Drew Smyly, Edinson Volquez and Shelby Miller:

 

https://www.rosterresource.com/mlb-texas-rangers/

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/projections.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&type=steamer600&team=13&lg=all&players=0&sort=19,d

 

Yes, and I'm sure they'd love to add a decent starter to that list, knowing one or two are likely to fail, get hurt or under perform.

[moonslav59]

People say they are concerned about Kimbrel's effectiveness going forward . Then you see some of the jabronis that are being suggested as replacements . It makes no sense . Are you not concerned about them ? Let's face it . It is all about the money . The question is : Is this really the area in which to economize? We will find out soon enough.

 

Then trade Porcello and sign Kimbrel, or trade Porcello for a solid closer. Is that a better area to "economize?" How about trading Bogey or JD?

 

My guess is, if we were missing one of those guys, you'd be saying we can't afford to economize at SP'er, SS or clean-up hitter...