And the off season begins (2018-19)

[moonslav59]

I’m pretty sure away teams do get 50% of gate revenue...

 

Really? I thought not.

 

They should get up to 50% of the TV revenue, too. (And home teams should get 50% of the away team's TV revenue)

[Nick]

Really? I thought not.

 

They should get up to 50% of the TV revenue, too. (And home teams should get 50% of the away team's TV revenue)

 

That's the dumbest thing you've ever said Moon.

 

You are telling me that Rays going into Yankee stadium should get 1/162 of YES TV revenue each time Rays play the Yankees on the road? A TV contract based on viewership of NY city? And why in the f*** would Yankees give away 50% of gate to Rays when Yankees play in the stadium in a city with population approaching 10M people? If I'm the Rays, I would play all 162 games on the road.

 

I'm pretty sure Mr S didn't sign up for that stupid arrangement.

[dgalehouse]

MLB owners are in kind of a unique position. They are in competition with each other , but they also depend on each other for the success of the industry. It is not too good when some make minimal effort to succeed , but enjoy sharing in the success of others . That seems to be where it is right now.

[bkzwhitestrican]

Well with half the league tanking this year maybe the 2022 season will be awesome because many of those teams will have been rebuilt.

[jacksonianmarch]

Every team is linked to the other, but the success of their own team is paramount. If tanking allows them to have a few upper eschelon years, then it's worth it. Nothing is worse than the Mariners or Blue Jays who spent years chasing something that wasn't there and they stayed in mediocrity.

[dgalehouse]

Every team is linked to the other, but the success of their own team is paramount. If tanking allows them to have a few upper eschelon years, then it's worth it. Nothing is worse than the Mariners or Blue Jays who spent years chasing something that wasn't there and they stayed in mediocrity.

 

It seems to me that most of those who like to criticize the use of small sample sizes tend to fall into the same thing when the small sample size suits their purpose. I guess sometimes you can have it both ways .

[notin]

MLB owners are in kind of a unique position. They are in competition with each other , but they also depend on each other for the success of the industry. It is not too good when some make minimal effort to succeed , but enjoy sharing in the success of others . That seems to be where it is right now.

 

 

Apparently teams used to pool 31% of all their revenue, which includes gate and TV monies. Not sure if that number still holds true.

 

https://library.fangraphs.com/business/revenue-sharing/

[Slasher9]

I’m pretty sure away teams do get 50% of gate revenue...

 

It’s ~35% gate receipts to the visiting team. But your point is accurate - the home team does share with visitors....

[Red Sox Canada]

Why would the Red Sox not sign Pomeranz for $1.5 million + $3.5 million in roster and productivity bonuses. Seems like a no-brainer to me. Seems like so much upside and so little downside. I know he had a horrible 2018, but 2017 was awesome. W-L 17-6 and an ERA of 3.32. and a WHIP 1.353 and it wasn't luck. He has put up great numbers in his career. Either they are not confident he can return to form from last year's injuries, or he would rather pitch in a no pressure, smaller market. https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/pomerdr01.shtml Edited January 27, 2019 by Red Sox Canada

[moonslav59]

Let bygones be bygones.

[cp176]

Let bygones be bygones.

 

If we abided by that philosophy here Moon, no one would be clamoring for us to sign Bucholtz. I kind of agree though. I would be very upset if this team even thought about bringing Hanley Ramirez back into the fold. Sometimes the dead wood gets left behind.

[moonslav59]

If we abided by that philosophy here Moon, no one would be clamoring for us to sign Bucholtz. I kind of agree though. I would be very upset if this team even thought about bringing Hanley Ramirez back into the fold. Sometimes the dead wood gets left behind.

 

I get why people focus more on players they know more about, like Buch, Kimbrel, Pom and guys like Masterson before.

 

Our management team has done an excellent job determining when enough is enough. They seem to be very good at placing the correct value on players they know and see the most- not surprising, right?

 

You won't see me clamoring Buch, Pom or Kimbrel. They all left us just at the right time (maybe Pom a year too late).

 

[Kimmi]

I get why people focus more on players they know more about, like Buch, Kimbrel, Pom and guys like Masterson before.

 

Our management team has done an excellent job determining when enough is enough. They seem to be very good at placing the correct value on players they know and see the most- not surprising, right?

 

You won't see me clamoring Buch, Pom or Kimbrel. They all left us just at the right time (maybe Pom a year too late).

 

 

I would take any of those pitchers back, at the right price. For Buch, that means a minor league deal. If we weren't having the supposed financial crunch that we are currently having, I'd happily sign Pom for $1.5 mil. That's easy enough to eat if things don't work out. It goes without saying, you can never have enough pitching.

[moonslav59]

I would take any of those pitchers back, at the right price. For Buch, that means a minor league deal. If we weren't having the supposed financial crunch that we are currently having, I'd happily sign Pom for $1.5 mil. That's easy enough to eat if things don't work out. It goes without saying, you can never have enough pitching.

 

There are dozens of pitchers like Buch and Pom, and I get why some focus on them or sometimes, seemingly, only them.

[sk7326]

Why would the Red Sox not sign Pomeranz for $1.5 million + $3.5 million in roster and productivity bonuses. Seems like a no-brainer to me. Seems like so much upside and so little downside. I know he had a horrible 2018, but 2017 was awesome. W-L 17-6 and an ERA of 3.32. and a WHIP 1.353 and it wasn't luck. He has put up great numbers in his career. Either they are not confident he can return to form from last year's injuries, or he would rather pitch in a no pressure, smaller market. https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/pomerdr01.shtml

 

A 1.353 WHIP is ... not good.

 

That said, I would have had no problem signing him to a prove-it deal. San Francisco gives him a better chance to prove it though - it's a pretty forgiving place for a fly ball pitcher. The chance for a rotation spot was higher in SF too, which matters. If the Sox gave him the same deal but with some real questions about whether he'd crack the rotation, what can you do.

[kenmeister]

You won't see me clamoring Buch, Pom or Kimbrel. They all left us just at the right time (maybe Pom a year too late).

 

 

Me neither. And I'd rather see Wright, Johnson, and Velazquez pick up the spot starts.

 

I wonder if Kimbrel is regretting not taking the $17.9 million one year deal we offered him.

[moonslav59]

Me neither. And I'd rather see Wright, Johnson, and Velazquez pick up the spot starts.

 

I wonder if Kimbrel is regretting not taking the $17.9 million one year deal we offered him.

 

We'd be way over the $40M mark had he done so. It's hard to know what we'd have done had he said yes.

 

No Eovaldi?

 

Trade Porcello?

 

Pay the tax?

 

 

[Kimmi]

There are dozens of pitchers like Buch and Pom, and I get why some focus on them or sometimes, seemingly, only them.

 

The focus is not only on them. I would gladly take any similar pitchers for similar types of deals.

 

That said, I do believe Buchholz has more potential than many of the other depth type signings out there.

[S5Dewey]

The focus is not only on them. I would gladly take any similar pitchers for similar types of deals.

 

That said, I do believe Buchholz has more potential than many of the other depth type signings out there.

 

Buch has a higher ceiling than nearly any pitcher left. I'd sign him for short money and lots of incentives in a heartbeat.

[kenmeister]

Buch has a higher ceiling than nearly any pitcher left. I'd sign him for short money and lots of incentives in a heartbeat.

 

If my memory serves correctly, Buch wasn't very good out of the bullpen. (Neither was Brian Johnson last year). I think we have plenty of starter depth, so I'd rather see the Sox take a flier on someone who can relieve.

[kenmeister]

We'd be way over the $40M mark had he done so. It's hard to know what we'd have done had he said yes.

 

No Eovaldi?

 

Trade Porcello?

 

Pay the tax?

 

 

 

They must have been crossing their fingers hoping he'd decline it, which of course he did but his initial contract demands were ridiculous. I think one of the problems is that these players have agents who feed them lies about what kind of contract they can actually land, and that's why it is almost February and players of star caliber are unsigned.

[notin]

Buch has a higher ceiling than nearly any pitcher left. I'd sign him for short money and lots of incentives in a heartbeat.

 

 

Love to see Buchholz back, but he some think he might be out of the Sox budget...

[notin]

They must have been crossing their fingers hoping he'd decline it, which of course he did but his initial contract demands were ridiculous. I think one of the problems is that these players have agents who feed them lies about what kind of contract they can actually land, and that's why it is almost February and players of star caliber are unsigned.

 

There was never any question he was going to decline it. If you look at the small percentage of players who have accepted a QO, they’re all players who were not among the game’s elite and were never going to get an annual salary even close to that amount

[moonslav59]

The focus is not only on them. I would gladly take any similar pitchers for similar types of deals.

 

That said, I do believe Buchholz has more potential than many of the other depth type signings out there.

 

I'm not hearing that many non ex-Sox names.

[kenmeister]

There was never any question he was going to decline it. If you look at the small percentage of players who have accepted a QO, they’re all players who were not among the game’s elite and were never going to get an annual salary even close to that amount

 

It will be very interesting to see what Kimbrel actually gets for annual value. I think he overplayed his hand, but we'll see.

[cp176]

It will be very interesting to see what Kimbrel actually gets for annual value. I think he overplayed his hand, but we'll see.

 

I'm still hanging on to hope that he is back with us (I realize that that might seem silly). I like him and the way he approaches the game but mostly I just want to hear him shout from the mound at Fenway the following words: "I'm still here"!!!

[Kimmi]

Buch has a higher ceiling than nearly any pitcher left. I'd sign him for short money and lots of incentives in a heartbeat.

 

On this, we agree.

[Nick]

On this, we agree.

 

Only problem I see is me thinks Buch wants to pitch and not sure if he would see an opportunity with the Sox.

[notin]

I'm still hanging on to hope that he is back with us (I realize that that might seem silly). I like him and the way he approaches the game but mostly I just want to hear him shout from the mound at Fenway the following words: "I'm still here"!!!

 

While it does appear unlikely, until Kimbrel signs elsewhere it is a possibility...

[BillyWilliams]

While it does appear unlikely, until Kimbrel signs elsewhere it is a possibility...

 

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