Dave Dombrowski

[jacksonianmarch]

Gwynn owned the 5.5 hole as they called it. Shifting against him would have been stupid. He’d hit .500

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Ty Buttrey is in the major leagues and has been more than serviceable in a small sample size: 5.1 IP, 6 K, 2 BB, 3 H, 0 ER.

 

I agree with the idea of acquiring Kinsler, but why trade away a player in Buttrey who can help you this year? With the Red Sox bullpen imploding in August, the Red Sox could have used Buttrey's arm. Why not keep Buttrey and include a quality lower level prospect in the Kinsler trade? The inclusion of Buttrey was somewhat perplexing in that teams that are going for it typically don't trade away a piece that can contribute to the big league club right away.

 

Now that Hembree, Barnes, and Kelly have all taken a bad turn, is there any Triple A depth that can help minimize the crisis in the big league bullpen or did Dombrowski trade that help away?

Edited August 29, 2018 by Fan_since_Boggs

[moonslav59]

Ty Buttrey is in the major leagues and has been more than serviceable in a small sample size: 5.1 IP, 6 K, 2 BB, 3 H, 0 ER.

 

I agree with the idea of acquiring Kinsler, but why trade away a player in Buttrey who can help you this year? With the Red Sox bullpen imploding in August, the Red Sox could have used Buttrey's arm. Why not keep Buttrey and include a quality lower level prospect in the Kinsler trade? The inclusion of Buttrey was somewhat perplexing in that teams that are going for it typically don't trade away a piece that can contribute to the big league club right away.

 

Now that Hembree, Barnes, and Kelly has all taken a bad turn, is there any Triple A depth that can help minimize the crisis in the big league bullpen or did Dombrowski trade that help away?

 

With Devers down, we may see why having Kinsler ends up being more valuable.

 

I doubt they'd pitch Buttrey in the bigs this year anyways.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

I doubt they'd pitch Buttrey in the bigs this year anyways.

 

Given all of the current problems in the Red Sox bullpen, I don't know how they wouldn't call him up. His Triple A numbers were definitely deserving of a major league promotion.

 

Buttrey has earned it and the Red Sox are desperate, put those two factors together and Buttrey reaches the big leagues in a Red Sox uniform this year if Dombrowski didn't trade him.

Edited August 29, 2018 by Fan_since_Boggs

[oldtimer]

Given all of the current problems in the Red Sox bullpen, I don't know how they wouldn't call him up. His Triple A numbers were definitely deserving of a major league promotion.

 

Buttrey has earned it and the Red Sox are desperate, put those two factors together and Buttrey reaches the big leagues in a Red Sox uniform this year if Dombrowski didn't trade him.

 

Kinsler filled a need and is doing well at the position. The Sox may have to go to plan B on the Pitching front. Sept call ups are right around the corner and the Sox can call up some arms to give the BP some rest. We need the starters to go 6 or 7 also to reduce the BP useage.

[jacksonianmarch]

Dombrowski's one bugaboo in all of his roster builds has been the bridge to the closer. In Detroit, he had Valverde and for a short while, KRod. But aside from a year of Zumaya, their bridge was the reason for their demise. I said from the beginning that the sox were a reliever away from solidifying themselves as favorites. I don't change that statement. Barnes had always been homer prone and that's not a good quality for a middle reliever. Hembree sucks. Kelly is a head case. The one guy who I cant get a read on is Brasier. He could end up being something special, but it is hard to pin your hopes on a guy who spent 2017 in the minors in Japan.

[jacksonianmarch]

Kinsler filled a need and is doing well at the position. The Sox may have to go to plan B on the Pitching front. Sept call ups are right around the corner and the Sox can call up some arms to give the BP some rest. We need the starters to go 6 or 7 also to reduce the BP useage.

 

Kinsler was brought in as a RH bat with power who also plays stellar defense. It doesn't necessarily matter if Kinsler out hits what Nunez or Holt gave you there. It was incredibly important that he improves the shoddy D. If Kinsler finds his stroke in time for the playoffs and returns as a .850OPS kind of player with power, then bonus

[jacksonianmarch]

Given all of the current problems in the Red Sox bullpen, I don't know how they wouldn't call him up. His Triple A numbers were definitely deserving of a major league promotion.

 

Buttrey has earned it and the Red Sox are desperate, put those two factors together and Buttrey reaches the big leagues in a Red Sox uniform this year if Dombrowski didn't trade him.

 

Buttrey has had a nice start (6IP) to his big league career in Anaheim.

[notin]

Given all of the current problems in the Red Sox bullpen, I don't know how they wouldn't call him up. His Triple A numbers were definitely deserving of a major league promotion.

 

Buttrey has earned it and the Red Sox are desperate, put those two factors together and Buttrey reaches the big leagues in a Red Sox uniform this year if Dombrowski didn't trade him.

 

Buttrey might have been included to free up one more space for a pending 40-man roster crunch in December. GMs do have to take this kind of thing into account, whether fans think it is a priority or not. Also it is possible Anaheim would not do the deal without Buttrey. They might be trying to build a winner while they still have Trout.

 

At least they got something for Buttrey. Ben Taylor was DFA'd for no reason...

[mvp 78]

Kinsler was brought in as a RH bat with power who also plays stellar defense. It doesn't necessarily matter if Kinsler out hits what Nunez or Holt gave you there. It was incredibly important that he improves the shoddy D. If Kinsler finds his stroke in time for the playoffs and returns as a .850OPS kind of player with power, then bonus

 

Even Nunez was quoted as saying that they now have a competent defensive 2b when Kinsler arrived.

[mvp 78]

Buttrey might have been included to free up one more space for a pending 40-man roster crunch in December. GMs do have to take this kind of thing into account, whether fans think it is a priority or not. Also it is possible Anaheim would not do the deal without Buttrey. They might be trying to build a winner while they still have Trout.

 

At least they got something for Buttrey. Ben Taylor was DFA'd for no reason...

 

Also, I believe Buttrey's numbers are a little deceiving right now. He has a high GB% and LOB% which will regress at some point. Scouts thought he didn't have the makeup for a market like Boston.

[moonslav59]

Buttrey might have been included to free up one more space for a pending 40-man roster crunch in December. GMs do have to take this kind of thing into account, whether fans think it is a priority or not. Also it is possible Anaheim would not do the deal without Buttrey. They might be trying to build a winner while they still have Trout.

 

At least they got something for Buttrey. Ben Taylor was DFA'd for no reason...

 

With so many impending free agents, some of which can be replaced from within the system (like Pom and circumstance), I don't see a rule 5 crunch this winter. I only see about 5-6 names that might be worth keeping.

 

 

Victor Acosta

Christopher Acosta

Yoan Aybar

Roldani Baldwin

Trey Ball

Juan Barriento

Edilson Batista

Eduard Bazardo

Danny Bethea

Jordan Betts

Marino Campana

Rusney Castillo

Michael Chavis

Luis Colmenares

Eduard Conde

Harrison Cooney

Jake Cosart

Ricardo Cubillan

Enmanuel De Jesus

Chad De La Guerra

Jhonathan Diaz

Jerry Downs

Nick Duron

Junior Espinoza

Willis Figueroa

Devon Fisher

Austin Glorius

Daniel Gonzalez

Juan Hernandez

Darwinzon Hernandez

Oscar Hernandez

Tyler Hill

Dedgar Jimenez

Trevor Kelley

Trenton Kemp

Matt Kent

Travis Lakins

Marcos Lantigua

Adam Lau

Deiner Lopez

Isaias Lucena

Chris Madera

Danny Mars

Algenis Martinez

Tate Matheny

Kevin McAvoy

Daniel McGrath

Samuel Miranda

Joseph Monge

Mark Montgomery

Jhon Nunez

Josh Ockimey

Angel Padron

Yorvin Pantoja

Yankory Pimentel

Roniel Raudes

Austin Rei

Hildemaro Requena

Denyi Reyes

Eddy Reynoso

Jeremy Rivera

Jake Romanski

Teddy Stankiewicz

Kevin Steen

Cole Sturgeon

Josh Taylor

Luke Tendler

Josh Tobias

Carlos Tovar

Kyri Washington

Jantzen Witte

Edited August 29, 2018 by moonslav59

[Spudboy]

Kinsler was brought in as a RH bat with power who also plays stellar defense. It doesn't necessarily matter if Kinsler out hits what Nunez or Holt gave you there. It was incredibly important that he improves the shoddy D. If Kinsler finds his stroke in time for the playoffs and returns as a .850OPS kind of player with power, then bonus

 

Kinsler is a .270 ish career hitter, I believe.

 

Unfortunately, he is now a .230 ish hitter the past 1 1/2 seasons.

 

His defense is great. But he hits for s*** now.

[Spudboy]

Even Nunez was quoted as saying that they now have a competent defensive 2b when Kinsler arrived.

 

The more I hear Nunez speak, the more I like him.

[oldtimer]

Kinsler is a .270 ish career hitter, I believe.

 

Unfortunately, he is now a .230 ish hitter the past 1 1/2 seasons.

 

His defense is great. But he hits for s*** now.

 

2 hits last night and he get the rally going.

[mvp 78]

Kinsler > Pedroia

[Slasher9]

DD may very well regret not getting a RP at trade deadline. that and 2b D was far and away our biggest need. not acquiring a RP may cost us a parade. Sad!

[mvp 78]

http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/pitching/split/128

 

Sox pen is top 6 in ERA, saves, Batting Average Against and runs allowed.

[a700hitter]

DD may very well regret not getting a RP at trade deadline. that and 2b D was far and away our biggest need. not acquiring a RP may cost us a parade. Sad!

He still has a day or so to make it happen.

[moonslav59]

http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/pitching/split/128

 

Sox pen is top 6 in ERA, saves, Batting Average Against and runs allowed.

 

They are #2 in WAR since the start of 2017.

 

Maybe people think other pens are much better than ours, because they don't watch them implode.

 

(Although, we watched several implode in our late inning crooked number innings.

[mvp 78]

They are #2 in WAR since the start of 2017.

 

Maybe people think other pens are much better than ours, because they don't watch them implode.

 

(Although, we watched several implode in our late inning crooked number innings.

 

Over and over we were told the DD couldn't build a pen and it would be his downfall. Seems like it's gone ok so far!

[Bellhorn04]

Kinsler is still a very good ballplayer IMO. And with some postseason experience and good postseason numbers.

 

Happy to have him.

[notin]

2 hits last night and he get the rally going.

 

He’s a 36yo who plays a position manned by utility infielders all season long and we got him for a 25yo career minor league pitcher, whose value is suddenly in question after all of 6 innings pitched?

 

The Sox could use bullpen help. What makes people think Ty Buttrey is better than the pitchers we already have in the pen?

Edited August 30, 2018 by notin

[Bellhorn04]

He’s a 36yo who plays a position manned by utility infielders all season long and we got him for a 25yo career minor league pitcher, whose value is suddenly in question after all of 6 innings pitched?

 

The Sox could use bullpen help. What makes people think Ty Buttrey is better than the pitchers we already have in the pen?

 

You are full of tricky questions, sir.

[notin]

Kinsler > Pedroia

 

That’s not what the head coach at ASU thought...

[notin]

You are full of tricky questions, sir.

 

The general theme of the board this week is “Matt Barnes sucks!! Craig Kimbrel is struggling!!! The whole pen is collapsing!! We need Ty Buttrey now!!!”

[Emp9]

That’s not what the head coach at ASU thought...

 

Kinsler was a great pick up. It’s like having 2 Pedroia’s, one that’s hurt and one that we can still play. What’s not to like?

[Bellhorn04]

Kinsler and Pedroia are very similar, although I suppose the girls find Kinsler better-looking...

[Bellhorn04]

The general theme of the board this week is “Matt Barnes sucks!! Craig Kimbrel is struggling!!! The whole pen is collapsing!! We need Ty Buttrey now!!!”

 

Well, Ty did string together 5 or 6 scoreless innings!

[Slasher9]

http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/pitching/split/128

 

Sox pen is top 6 in ERA, saves, Batting Average Against and runs allowed.

 

my post wasnt about how we rank vs the other 29 teams. it is how effective i perceive them to be in the postseason against the elite teams.