6/7 Tigers @Boston

[SoxHop]

Swi caught him in the minors.

 

ahhh..... ok. That does make sense.

 

Too bad the first inning happened.

 

He was hitting 95 mph tonight when he rarely has in the past Doesn't suprise me he was over throwing in a moment like this.

[jung]

Why so sensitive?

 

a) Baseball forum internet etiquette everywhere I have been is no trolling game threads unless your team is playing our team. Unless you have shifted allegiance to the Tigers, we are not playing your team tonight.

That was Beeks first ML start. Whether or not they were showcasing him is in question. But if they were, claiming that start as a failed effort to showcase him was flat ignorant. Either you are being purposefully trollish or you just don't know any better. In any event, a post like that does not belong in the game thread. You do not belong in the game thread unless your team is playing our team.

[jacksonianmarch]

Lol, you’re funny. I didn’t troll. I stated an opinion. Beers wasn’t good today. He was likely being showcased as most teams do with prospects who get a single start and then go back down. The yanks did it years ago with Claussen and it got us Boone.

[jung]

Lol, you’re funny. I didn’t troll. I stated an opinion. Beers wasn’t good today. He was likely being showcased as most teams do with prospects who get a single start and then go back down. The yanks did it years ago with Claussen and it got us Boone.

 

Your trolling. In fact you would be trolling in the regular forum as well. I repeat, does not belong in the game thread. Not now, not yesterday, not tomorrow.

[oldtimer]

Got the White Sox at home. How about sweeping that horrible team.

 

Lets not start as many triple A players in the lineup. It would be nice to have Mookie back, but did you see him grimacing after taking swings in batting practice? Looked like he has not recovered as yet.

 

Bill

[moonslav59]

Beeks allow a fenway 2B and HR, a JD triple. Not what you want to see in his first game. Please never let JD play Fenway RF again.

 

Should have used Holt in RF, JD at DH and Vaz on the bench.

[jacksonianmarch]

Your trolling. In fact you would be trolling in the regular forum as well. I repeat, does not belong in the game thread. Not now, not yesterday, not tomorrow.

 

Who made you sheriff?

Answer a few questions for me if you will

 

Was Beeks good?

Could he be showcased for a trade?

[Station 13]

JD has back tightness. Geez Cora, you let Vazquez DH for this?

[moonslav59]

JD has back tightness. Geez Cora, you let Vazquez DH for this?

 

He should have only played the OF in NL parks from day one.

 

That's not hindsight on my behalf.

[illinoisredsox]

I am hoping that rain does not interfere with the game tonight.

 

It would be a shame to call this kid up only to burn an option if the game is postponed.

 

Beeks’ option was burned whether he was called up this year or not. He was added to the 40 man roster in November and optioned to Pawtucket in March. That uses option #1.

[a700hitter]

Beeks allow a fenway 2B and HR, a JD triple. Not what you want to see in his first game. Please never let JD play Fenway RF again.

JD wasn't the problem tonight. The kid sucked. He fooled no one. their hitters were running up the the batters box like kids who wanted that last AB before the game was called on account of darkness.

[SoxHop]

JD wasn't the problem tonight. The kid sucked. He fooled no one. their hitters were running up the the batters box like kids who wanted that last AB before the game was called on account of darkness.

 

Beeks got slaughtered. He wasn't fooling anyone, batting practice.

 

I imagine that wasn't the first or last time a first appearance in the big show went horribly wrong. Might want to put a hold on ordering all those bobblehead dolls, but this outing means very little.

[jacksonianmarch]

So I assume SoxHop and a700 are trolls for daring to say that Beeks’ 6ER in 4IP performance was subpar?im just trying to figure out when I can post something that’s blatantly obvious without being labeled a troll by the sensitive masses on the site

[Spudboy]

So I assume SoxHop and a700 are trolls for daring to say that Beeks’ 6ER in 4IP performance was subpar?im just trying to figure out when I can post something that’s blatantly obvious without being labeled a troll by the sensitive masses on the site

 

f*** 'em.

 

You were not trolling.

[Bellhorn04]

Lol, you’re funny. I didn’t troll. I stated an opinion. Beers wasn’t good today. He was likely being showcased as most teams do with prospects who get a single start and then go back down. The yanks did it years ago with Claussen and it got us Boone.

 

Interesting tidbit about Claussen. Any more examples of this?

 

I wouldn't have thought Beeks was being showcased because the Red Sox need every pitching prospect what with the cliff and all.

[Natick to NC]

Jackson ...there was another player showcased ...he caught an obviously nervous minor leaguer ,blocked several balls in the dirt scored half our runs ,stole a bag ,roped a double ...showed tremendous speed on the basepaths ...roped and was robbed on another at bat .....Swihart proved he's a good defensive player can handle a train wreck pitcher and can hit ...Swihart may be the most athletic player we have .

[Maxbialystock]

Boy did I see this game differently from almost everyone else. My starting premise was this was again an effort by Cora to expand his talent pool. Thus not only Beeks on the mound, but, just as important if not more so, Swihart behind the plate, which I thought he did well. Vazquez as DH a surprise, but motivated I think by two thoughts: 1) showing off that the can DH a catcher because he has three; 2) capitalizing on Vazquez's three hits the night before, also against a lefty.

 

I think JD ain't as good as JBJ or Mookie in RF, but he has a decent arm and a month ago made an excellent running catch in right center. That triple down the RF line was a tough play especially given the speed of the baserunner, and JD cut it off before it got to the corner.

 

Terrible first by Beeks, granted, largely because he kept throwing fast balls and not spotting them well. He then went 3 innings, giving up 1 run because he used his curve a lot more and even a semi-decent changeup. Not sure that cut fastball is that useful, however. So I think the mission was accomplished--Beeks could be brought up again if the need arises.

 

Game outcome was largely determined by that terrible 1st, but I would also point out that the Sox twice had the bases loaded with one out and the first time Beni GIDP'd and the second time Devers and Travis struck out badly. The Tiger reliever simply blew that 97 mph fast right by them.

 

I know the Yankees are breathing down our necks, but this is still early June and a good time to do a little discovery in my opinion.

[illinoisredsox]

What we saw was a nervous kid. He had some stuff go against him in the first. The wall ball. A couple of Eck’s “I gotta have that” pitches that didn’t go his way (as Sutcliffe said on one to Cabrera, kid making his debut, hitter who’s going to the Hall of Fame, it’s a ball). He settled down and only gave up one more run after that, which is good.

 

They said on the ESPN broadcast that Beeks likes to watch how successful pitchers do things. Given his stuff, I think a good one for him to study would be the Sabathia of the past couple years. In, out, up, down, change speeds. Beeks is going to need a lot of command to have a modicum of success.

 

Here is the debut line for another current Sox pitcher: 5 IP, 9 H, 6 ER, 2 BB, 4 Ks, 3 HR.

 

That was Velazquez last May, the same guy many here are clamoring to replace Pomeranz in the rotation. I have no idea if Beeks will make it or not. But I’m sure not going to say he sucks based on one outing, and really, one inning.

Edited June 8, 2018 by illinoisredsox

[OH FOY]

Its important to see how Beeks does now in Pawtucket, to see if he learned things from yesterday. It was a Cup of Coffee, those are part of the learning process.

[Maxbialystock]

What we saw was a nervous kid. He had some stuff go against him in the first. The wall ball. A couple of Eck’s “I gotta have that” pitches that didn’t go his way (as Sutcliffe said on one to Cabrera, kid making his debut, hitter who’s going to the Hall of Fame, it’s a ball). He settled down and only gave up one more run after that, which is good.

 

They said on the ESPN broadcast that Beeks likes to watch how successful pitchers do things. Given his stuff, I think a good one for him to study would be the Sabathia of the past couple years. In, out, up, down, change speeds. Beeks is going to need a lot of command to have a modicum of success.

 

Here is the debut line for another current Sox pitcher: 5 IP, 9 H, 6 ER, 2 BB, 4 Ks, 3 HR.

 

That was Velazquez last May, the same guy many here are clamoring to replace Pomeranz in the rotation. I have no idea if Beeks will make it or not. But I’m sure not going to say he sucks based on one outing, and really, one inning.

 

I would go one step further and say that right now I would put Beeks ahead of Pomeranz on my list of possible Sox starters. He already has a better repertoire and doesn't stomp around the mound and finally throw a pitch every half hour or so.

[Station 13]

Wasn't expecting Beeks to shut out the Tigers. He's a low end prospect as a PomPoms replacement. 5 IP 3R would suffice.

 

the bats were 1-10 RISP that didn't even pushed in a run.

[a700hitter]

He may end up being a good MLB pitcher, but yesterday was a forfeit game in my opinion. There was no reason to bring him up for a spot start with 5 healthy starters and a couple of healthy long men, and no double headers. If Cora wanted to give the rotation a break,he could have limited one or 2 of the starters to 75-80 pitches and gone to Johnson or Velasquez. Compound bringing up a kid and giving him a start, he puts JD in RF and Travis in LF and Swihart behind the Trump.

 

i have seen him twice now — once in Spring training and yesterday. He blew up spectacularly both times. I am not interested in seeing him start again. Maybe the adrenaline and nerves of a start are too much for him. Sometimes it is better to let a guy get his feet wet out of the pen.

[cp176]

He should have only played the OF in NL parks from day one.

 

That's not hindsight on my behalf.

 

That is your opinion. It is a good one. I tend to think that if JD feels that playing in the outfield from time to time keeps him actively involved in the game which he thinks makes him a better hitter, IMO that is the way it should be done. They run the risk of being injured everytime they take the field.

[cp176]

He may end up being a good MLB pitcher, but yesterday was a forfeit game in my opinion. There was no reason to bring him up for a spot start with 5 healthy starters and a couple of healthy long men, and no double headers. If Cora wanted to give the rotation a break,he could have limited one or 2 of the starters to 75-80 pitches and gone to Johnson or Velasquez. Compound bringing up a kid and giving him a start, he puts JD in RF and Travis in LF and Swihart behind the Trump.

 

i have seen him twice now — once in Spring training and yesterday. He blew up spectacularly both times. I am not interested in seeing him start again. Maybe the adrenaline and nerves of a start are too much for him. Sometimes it is better to let a guy get his feet wet out of the pen.

 

I agree with you. I also thought that that was a strange lineup to yard out there. Glad I didn't have a ticket for that one.

[kenmeister]

I agree with you. I also thought that that was a strange lineup to yard out there. Glad I didn't have a ticket for that one.

 

It seems to me that last night was the Sox showcasing young talent night, and I bet they invited many scouts to come watch. My guess is they think Pedroia is done and want to land a premier second baseman.

[Bellhorn04]

It seems to me that last night was the Sox showcasing young talent night, and I bet they invited many scouts to come watch. My guess is they think Pedroia is done and want to land a premier second baseman.

 

Seems like kind of a wild guess to me. But if you're right I will give you props!

[vegasbob]

Seems like kind of a wild guess to me. But if you're right I will give you props!

 

It was PawSox field trip night so the AAA'ers could see what the postgame food spread was like. Think of it; Beeks, Travis, even Swihart catching (made some sense), and then with Vazquez DH'ing. It was treated like a losable game and sure enough they did due to 1-10 w/RISP.

 

Now another Pawtucket starter , Justin Haley, gets called up for his turn at the clubhouse. Now why would they send Beeks back and bring another starter up if no intent to start him. Johnson and Velazquez are the long relief. Do you throw Haley in the long mix just to observe him ? Does someone know something in the FO regarding pitching personnel problems or issues ??

[moonslav59]

That is your opinion. It is a good one. I tend to think that if JD feels that playing in the outfield from time to time keeps him actively involved in the game which he thinks makes him a better hitter, IMO that is the way it should be done. They run the risk of being injured everytime they take the field.

 

Yes, it's my opinion.

 

I looked at our schedule and saw our NL games are spread out nicely- about every 4 weeks. I felt that was just about right, but I don't know what was promised to JD when we signed him.

[illinoisredsox]

It was PawSox field trip night so the AAA'ers could see what the postgame food spread was like. Think of it; Beeks, Travis, even Swihart catching (made some sense), and then with Vazquez DH'ing. It was treated like a losable game and sure enough they did due to 1-10 w/RISP.

 

Now another Pawtucket starter , Justin Haley, gets called up for his turn at the clubhouse. Now why would they send Beeks back and bring another starter up if no intent to start him. Johnson and Velazquez are the long relief. Do you throw Haley in the long mix just to observe him ? Does someone know something in the FO regarding pitching personnel problems or issues ??

 

I would assume Haley will be the long guy for a couple days. Johnson went 4 last night and will need a few days off. It looks like Velazquez is being limited to 1-2 inning stints. Wright is now in the rotation.

 

Of more interest is who went off the 40 man so Haley could be added? The transaction reads “selected the contract of ...” which means he is being added to the 40-man.

[mvp 78]

I would assume Haley will be the long guy for a couple days. Johnson went 4 last night and will need a few days off. It looks like Velazquez is being limited to 1-2 inning stints. Wright is now in the rotation.

 

Of more interest is who went off the 40 man so Haley could be added? The transaction reads “selected the contract of ...” which means he is being added to the 40-man.

 

They had two available slots on the 40 man. https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/BOS/2018-roster.shtml