Red Sox To Sign J.D. Martinez

[notin]

This is true. An LOL! can be very helpful sometimes.

 

Or a

 

Or a blatant “(sarcasm)” at the end of the post...

Edited July 17, 2018 by notin

[Kimmi]

Oh! I'm only now seeing this. Ha! For what it's worth, as I've mentioned before I wouldn't classify myself as a stat person, more of a in-the-middle kinda guy. I think some stats are great and measure lots that we love about the game, I think some are a nonsense.

 

As I said to you in the other thread last night, if you want to see childish: looking at Spuds constant "But somebody will be along to tell me I'm wrong wah wah wah" after every post, fits the bill just nicely.

 

If posting in opposition to belligerent, grumpy old men, crying and moaning all day while you treat us all to a dazzling array of hypocrisy, qualifies me as being part of a posse, sign me up baby!

 

mvp, I'm also starting up a side posse called "stat heads are communists" in case it goes south and I can jump on the other bandwagon. I got a space there for you as comrade-in-arms if you're interested buddy? Nobody should be without a posse.

 

I guess you didn't get my "posse" comment in the other thread then. LOL

[Kimmi]

I am probably the funniest person on this board.

 

Unfortunately, I think I'm the only one who gets my humor.

 

I do crack myself up though!

[Hitch]

I guess you didn't get my "posse" comment in the other thread then. LOL

 

Ha yeah! I just didn't realise it was going on over two threads. I believe if it's mentioned in more thread the CIA open up a file on me.

[Kimmi]

For all of my eye test loving peeps, here is some analytical support for you regarding JD's defense.

 

Enjoy.

 

JD Might Not Be As Bad Defensively As Kimmi Thought He Was

[Dojji]

We treat JD like he's bad defensively mostly because all of Beni, Betts, Bradley, and probably Holt are better in the outfield than he is.

 

It's not that he's bad per se. It's just that we have excellence in the outfield and a slightly below average guy becomes our worst guy defensively.

 

In a word, we're a little spoiled by the Killer B's

[SoxHop]

We treat JD like he's bad defensively mostly because all of Beni, Betts, Bradley, and probably Holt are better in the outfield than he is.

 

It's not that he's bad per se. It's just that we have excellence in the outfield and a slightly below average guy becomes our worst guy defensively.

 

In a word, we're a little spoiled by the Killer B's

 

I'd have a hard time saying JDM is a good outfielder. He's slow as molasses. Let's not fool outselves just cause the dude can hit.

[Dojji]

I'd have a hard time saying JDM is a good outfielder. He's slow as molasses. Let's not fool outselves just cause the dude can hit.

 

He's below average, but he's no Manny Ramirez. If you needed to you could hide this guy in left field without too many problems.

[SoxHop]

He's below average, but he's no Manny Ramirez. If you needed to you could hide this guy in left field without too many problems.

 

I have no problem with him in the field. Just wish we could get a DH to bash the ball to make it worth it.

[moonslav59]

I have no problem with him in the field. Just wish we could get a DH to bash the ball to make it worth it.

 

To me, it makes more sense to get a basher that forces JD to be our FT DH (except in NL parks).

[tom-uk]

Informative article on how JD has worked w Mookie on his swing. http://amp.si.com/mlb/2018/08/08/jd-martinez-boston-red-sox-houston-astros-astroball

[a700hitter]

Informative article on how JD has worked w Mookie on his swing. http://amp.si.com/mlb/2018/08/08/jd-martinez-boston-red-sox-houston-astros-astroball

Poppycock! It was all regression for Mookie. The elevation of his game would have happened anyway. Sarcasm

[cp176]

In my mind and in the minds of many others, JD Martinez has helped this offense in many many ways. In the minds of most who have experience in the game, he has in fact offered the type of protection that this team so badly needed. It has to be easier hitting in a lineup that has a hitter of this quality in it.

[Kimmi]

If anyone thinks that Mookie was not going to improve rather significantly over his .264/.344/.459/.803 line from last year, including a BABIP of .268, without JD in the line up, you are only fooling yourself.

 

Have JD and Cora helped? Absolutely.

 

But give Mookie some credit. The down year (for him) last year was just that. A down year. He was bound to bounce back regardless of who is on the team.

 

That is not to take anything away from JD. He is incredible and is a master in the art of hitting and in leadership.

[Bellhorn04]

It was quite the celebration JD and Holt had after Holt's homer last night. And yes, I couldn't help wondering if JD gave Holt some advice before the AB. Buying into the hype, I guess...

[mvp 78]

It was quite the celebration JD and Holt had after Holt's homer last night. And yes, I couldn't help wondering if JD gave Holt some advice before the AB. Buying into the hype, I guess...

 

Having 13 more wins than any other team in MLB will do that to you.

[Kimmi]

It was quite the celebration JD and Holt had after Holt's homer last night. And yes, I couldn't help wondering if JD gave Holt some advice before the AB. Buying into the hype, I guess...

 

Ha. It's interesting how JD is getting credit for everyone else's home runs.

[moonslav59]

Ha. It's interesting how JD is getting credit for everyone else's home runs.

 

Couldn't someone argue that Betts and others getting on base so much are helping JD, too?

[S5Dewey]

This entire lineup hits so well that it's got to wear opposing pitchers down after a while. There are only a couple of players whom a pitcher can "rest" against and even they will bite them on the ass if given a good pitch to hit. That's got to be tiring.

[moonslav59]

This entire lineup hits so well that it's got to wear opposing pitchers down after a while. There are only a couple of players whom a pitcher can "rest" against and even they will bite them on the ass if given a good pitch to hit. That's got to be tiring.

 

Yup, they "rested" for Leon and Porcello and Holt last night, and look what happened.

[Slasher9]

Couldn't someone argue that Betts and others getting on base so much are helping JD, too?

 

yes. and because it is JDM's presence in the lineup that is causing Betts and others to get on base so much in actuality it is JDM that is helping JDM.

[moonslav59]

yes. and because it is JDM's presence in the lineup that is causing Betts and others to get on base so much in actuality it is JDM that is helping JDM.

 

...and Betts who is helping Betts, beni-Beni, Moreland-Moreland...

[Bellhorn04]

...and Betts who is helping Betts, beni-Beni, Moreland-Moreland...

 

It's harmonic convergence, man.

[Emp9]

If anyone thinks that Mookie was not going to improve rather significantly over his .264/.344/.459/.803 line from last year, including a BABIP of .268, without JD in the line up, you are only fooling yourself.

 

Have JD and Cora helped? Absolutely.

 

But give Mookie some credit. The down year (for him) last year was just that. A down year. He was bound to bounce back regardless of who is on the team.

 

That is not to take anything away from JD. He is incredible and is a master in the art of hitting and in leadership.

 

I’ve always thought we’d have better seasons from the likes of Mookie, Beni, and Bogaerts. My answer to the question, where would the Red Sox be without JD? ... probably still 1st Place.

 

Does JD lengthen the lineup? Absolutely. Does JD add Protection? At times, yes. There’s a limited amount of times this can occur. It’s situational. It’s not about magic and myth. It’s about strategy and probability. The blanket statement that JD “lengthens the lineup” is one that I can accept. Saying JD adds “Protection” as a blanket statement WOULD be hyperbolic and considerably less relevant than the former. That doesn’t mean it’s unfounded or non-existent.

[moonslav59]

I’ve always thought we’d have better seasons from the likes of Mookie, Beni, and Bogaerts. My answer to the question, where would the Red Sox be without JD? ... probably still 1st Place.

 

Does JD lengthen the lineup? Absolutely. Does JD add Protection? At times, yes. There’s a limited amount of times this can occur. It’s situational. It’s not about magic and myth. It’s about strategy and probability. The blanket statement that JD “lengthens the lineup” is one that I can accept. Saying JD adds “Protection” as a blanket statement WOULD be hyperbolic and considerably less relevant than the former. That doesn’t mean it’s unfounded or non-existent.

 

Agreed.

 

I always thought last year was a fluke, with so many players dipping from 2016. I expected a bounce back from everyone but Vaz.

 

I do think JD has helped some of our players do better than otherwise, but I think they'd have improved on their own.

 

[Bellhorn04]

I’ve always thought we’d have better seasons from the likes of Mookie, Beni, and Bogaerts. My answer to the question, where would the Red Sox be without JD? ... probably still 1st Place.

 

Does JD lengthen the lineup? Absolutely. Does JD add Protection? At times, yes. There’s a limited amount of times this can occur. It’s situational. It’s not about magic and myth. It’s about strategy and probability. The blanket statement that JD “lengthens the lineup” is one that I can accept. Saying JD adds “Protection” as a blanket statement WOULD be hyperbolic and considerably less relevant than the former. That doesn’t mean it’s unfounded or non-existent.

 

'Lengthen the lineup' seems to me to be another one of those buzz phrases that get used a lot because they sound cool.

[Kimmi]

Couldn't someone argue that Betts and others getting on base so much are helping JD, too?

 

Absolutely.

 

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I think that our team isn't so good because JD joined it, but that JD is so good because he joined our team.

[Kimmi]

I’ve always thought we’d have better seasons from the likes of Mookie, Beni, and Bogaerts. My answer to the question, where would the Red Sox be without JD? ... probably still 1st Place.

 

Does JD lengthen the lineup? Absolutely. Does JD add Protection? At times, yes. There’s a limited amount of times this can occur. It’s situational. It’s not about magic and myth. It’s about strategy and probability. The blanket statement that JD “lengthens the lineup” is one that I can accept. Saying JD adds “Protection” as a blanket statement WOULD be hyperbolic and considerably less relevant than the former. That doesn’t mean it’s unfounded or non-existent.

 

I am sure we would still be in first place without JD. Maybe with a 5 game lead instead of a 10 game lead.

 

Sure, there are going to be times when the guy in front of JD gets a fastball right down Broadway because JD is due up next. Is the hitter going to hit it any more often than he otherwise would get a hit? On average, nope.

[Emp9]

'Lengthen the lineup' seems to me to be another one of those buzz phrases that get used a lot because they sound cool.

 

I guess “Improving the lineup” would be better.

[Bellhorn04]

One thing's for sure, if we didn't sign JD we'd be cursing out DD pretty good these days.