Red Sox To Sign J.D. Martinez

[Spudboy]

lol

[Kimmi]

There really is nothing wrong with line of reasoning. It is another way of looking at things other than your way. I'm ok with it.

 

Are you denying that moving Mookie to another spot in the line up also affects the rest of the line up?

[cp176]

Are you denying that moving Mookie to another spot in the line up also affects the rest of the line up?

 

Really - Interestingly phrased! I'm not denying anything. Of course moving Mookie affects the rest of the batting order. It is my opinion that he would knock in more runs if batting in a different spot in the lineup. I'm not advocating for it. I'm just not overwhelmed by the wealth of statistical information indicating where he should or should not be in the lineup. If he is content leading off, I think that that is where he should be. Am I being prosecuted here? Do I need a good attorney? I bet I could find one not to far away.

[Kimmi]

Really - Interestingly phrased! I'm not denying anything. Of course moving Mookie affects the rest of the batting order. It is my opinion that he would knock in more runs if batting in a different spot in the lineup. I'm not advocating for it. I'm just not overwhelmed by the wealth of statistical information indicating where he should or should not be in the lineup. If he is content leading off, I think that that is where he should be. Am I being prosecuted here? Do I need a good attorney? I bet I could find one not to far away.

 

I did not mean anything by the way I phrased my question. I apologize if the wording of that post and my previous post offended you. None was intended.

 

I'm simply trying to point out that getting Mookie more RBIs by batting him third would be offset by other factors. You cannot look at that move from the standpoint of that single factor.

[cp176]

I did not mean anything by the way I phrased my question. I apologize if the wording of that post and my previous post offended you. None was intended.

 

I'm simply trying to point out that getting Mookie more RBIs by batting him third would be offset by other factors. You cannot look at that move from the standpoint of that single factor.

 

Well that is all good but you don't need to apologize to me. I am and I repeat I am not looking at batting Mookie in a different position as having no affect on the rest of the batting order. Whether or not changing his position in the order would be a good thing or not is obviously up for debate. He is happy where he is so I say that is where he should hit. Sorry but I will not buy into the metrics to the point that hitting him third would be anything but a good thing. If I really cared to do so, my guess is that I could come up with an arguable stance statistically speaking to support my statements.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

The best thing about batting JD 3rd instead of clean-up is he gets more AB's, and that is a real thing.

[Slasher9]

I realize there are a few more years left on the contract but I already feel Signing JD was a smart move.

Nice job by the FO.

[jacksonianmarch]

Unless JD falls off a cliff, there is one more year on the deal

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

I realize there are a few more years left on the contract but I already feel Signing JD was a smart move.

Nice job by the FO.

 

No team in MLB made a better acquisition this year than the SOX getting JD.

[cp176]

Who among us knew that he was this good? Maybe some but for sure not me. Some of these types of deals work out and some don't. This one did.

[Jack Flap]

Unless JD falls off a cliff, there is one more year on the deal

 

And the question then becomes how much more should we pony up to keep him around. He's looking pretty damn near irreplaceable right now, but he'll also be 32 at that point, and he and Boras will surely come up with some more pie-in-the-sky demands. With Sale, Bogaerts, Porcello, and probably some others that I'm not remembering also due for free agency, that's going to be an interesting offseason.

[Behindenemylines]

Glad it was JDM instead of Mike Stanton and that crazy contract that the Spankees took on that Sox got this past offseason. The more you see him, and here about his approach the more there is to like. Now until he does this in October I will not make any comparisons to Big Papi. As good as he has been so far with the bat, he may be even a better teammate with all you hear about his interactions with his teammates.

[jacksonianmarch]

And the question then becomes how much more should we pony up to keep him around. He's looking pretty damn near irreplaceable right now, but he'll also be 32 at that point, and he and Boras will surely come up with some more pie-in-the-sky demands. With Sale, Bogaerts, Porcello, and probably some others that I'm not remembering also due for free agency, that's going to be an interesting offseason.

 

JD fell into a bad situation this past year. Lots of teams either tanking or trying to get under the cap. Every team would take a JD Martinez, not every team would take the money owed with the risk at the time. If DH'ing keeps JD healthy, he will be very well paid into his thirties.

 

In terms of Stanton's contract, I agree. The contract, on its face, is a rough one. The Yanks are on the hook for 10 yrs $265 mil ($30 mil coming from MIA) but with the AAV carryover and the money coming from MIA, the books only show $22 mil. That's actually not bad in terms of AAV for a guy of Stanton's caliber. And while everyone seems to remember his April, his May was ok and his June was awesome. Going by his history, he is a .100+ point riser after the ASB over the past 3 seasons. He doesn't have JD's ability to hit for average, but he does have power that rivals anyone. I think by the end of the year, Stanton, Judge and JD will all be in the same ballpark in terms of power and Stanton's production will warrant the contract he is receiving

[OH FOY]

JD in the field

132 at bats, .379 avg. 10 HRS. .431 OBP .667 Slugging% 1.090 OPS

at DH

182 at bats .286 avg. 16 HRS .364 OBP .621 Slugging % 0.985 OPS

 

 

Seems he hits better when he in the field.

 

Pretty good Offensive Numbers.

[jacksonianmarch]

A lot of guys do that at first. The fact that he has a near 1.000 OPS in his first year of being a primary DH says he’ll adjust well as he ages.

[Dojji]

JD in the field

132 at bats, .379 avg. 10 HRS. .431 OBP .667 Slugging% 1.090 OPS

at DH

182 at bats .286 avg. 16 HRS .364 OBP .621 Slugging % 0.985 OPS

 

 

Seems he hits better when he in the field.

 

Pretty good Offensive Numbers.

 

I think I'm pretty happy with his numbers at DH though. I mean the idea that he could even be better if he played the field every day is tempting, but when they're healthy we have one heck of an OF as it is, so if he hits well enough to make people happy as the DH, that's the place for him right now.

[cp176]

JD has said on many occasions that he wants to play on the field. He seems to be happy with a compromise role. If that is what it takes to keep him happy and hitting, so be it. Maybe years from now he becomes a full time dh but I hope his current team doesn't screw up something that is really working.

[Kimmi]

The best thing about batting JD 3rd instead of clean-up is he gets more AB's, and that is a real thing.

 

That is definitely a real thing.

 

But as I said about Mookie batting 3rd instead of 1st, there are other factors that offset the extra ABs.

[Kimmi]

I realize there are a few more years left on the contract but I already feel Signing JD was a smart move.

Nice job by the FO.

 

A smart move made even better by the extremely reasonable terms of his contract.

[Kimmi]

And the question then becomes how much more should we pony up to keep him around. He's looking pretty damn near irreplaceable right now, but he'll also be 32 at that point, and he and Boras will surely come up with some more pie-in-the-sky demands. With Sale, Bogaerts, Porcello, and probably some others that I'm not remembering also due for free agency, that's going to be an interesting offseason.

 

That's a good question. With the way the free agent market went last year, I'm not really sure what type of contract JD can command. My guess at this point is that if JD keeps performing like he is now, he will price himself into a contract range that the Sox should walk away from.

[Kimmi]

JD fell into a bad situation this past year. Lots of teams either tanking or trying to get under the cap. Every team would take a JD Martinez, not every team would take the money owed with the risk at the time. If DH'ing keeps JD healthy, he will be very well paid into his thirties.

 

In terms of Stanton's contract, I agree. The contract, on its face, is a rough one. The Yanks are on the hook for 10 yrs $265 mil ($30 mil coming from MIA) but with the AAV carryover and the money coming from MIA, the books only show $22 mil. That's actually not bad in terms of AAV for a guy of Stanton's caliber. And while everyone seems to remember his April, his May was ok and his June was awesome. Going by his history, he is a .100+ point riser after the ASB over the past 3 seasons. He doesn't have JD's ability to hit for average, but he does have power that rivals anyone. I think by the end of the year, Stanton, Judge and JD will all be in the same ballpark in terms of power and Stanton's production will warrant the contract he is receiving

 

Stanton's production will not warrant the contract he is receiving over 10 years, which is the issue. It's not the AAV. It's the 10 years.

[moonslav59]

JD has said on many occasions that he wants to play on the field. He seems to be happy with a compromise role. If that is what it takes to keep him happy and hitting, so be it. Maybe years from now he becomes a full time dh but I hope his current team doesn't screw up something that is really working.

 

If JD reaches 650+ PAs, leads the league in HRs and RBIs, maybe he'll realize playing some DH helped keep him healthy and fresh and strong.

 

It's hard to figure out what the market will be like when his opt out comes up, but he will be a couple years older. That fact may cut into some of the financial gains he could expect to get by being a FA again.

[moonslav59]

JD fell into a bad situation this past year. Lots of teams either tanking or trying to get under the cap. Every team would take a JD Martinez, not every team would take the money owed with the risk at the time. If DH'ing keeps JD healthy, he will be very well paid into his thirties.

 

In terms of Stanton's contract, I agree. The contract, on its face, is a rough one. The Yanks are on the hook for 10 yrs $265 mil ($30 mil coming from MIA) but with the AAV carryover and the money coming from MIA, the books only show $22 mil. That's actually not bad in terms of AAV for a guy of Stanton's caliber. And while everyone seems to remember his April, his May was ok and his June was awesome. Going by his history, he is a .100+ point riser after the ASB over the past 3 seasons. He doesn't have JD's ability to hit for average, but he does have power that rivals anyone. I think by the end of the year, Stanton, Judge and JD will all be in the same ballpark in terms of power and Stanton's production will warrant the contract he is receiving

 

I'd take Stanton at $22M x 10 in a heart beat. That's like paying him $30M x 7 up to age 35 with 3 free years afterwards.

[cp176]

If JD reaches 650+ PAs, leads the league in HRs and RBIs, maybe he'll realize playing some DH helped keep him healthy and fresh and strong.

 

It's hard to figure out what the market will be like when his opt out comes up, but he will be a couple years older. That fact may cut into some of the financial gains he could expect to get by being a FA again.

 

i bet that he has already figured out that dhing and playing in the field is likely helping him get some needed physical rest. He strikes me as that type. I hope that he stays in Boston for years to come. His approach to the team and the game in general seems to be just what any good franchise wants and needs.

[moonslav59]

i bet that he has already figured out that dhing and playing in the field is likely helping him get some needed physical rest. He strikes me as that type. I hope that he stays in Boston for years to come. His approach to the team and the game in general seems to be just what any good franchise wants and needs.

 

I totally agree.

 

He's the type of player I want, and I think he will age well. Having the ability to DH could really extend his career. He has to know that.

[cp176]

So let's see - JD Martinez in right field tonight in Fenway Park. According to Cora, who we all love and respect, this one was run through their analytics department and with JBJ being rested this was the best outfield lineup to go with. Imagine that - Let me ask this question - to those of you who still think that JD is just awful in the outfield, do you not like our analytical guys? He ain't the best be he ain't bad either. I think that some of the comments come from those who just want to be disagreeable and cannot deal with maybe being wrong on occasion.

[SoxnCycles]

So let's see - JD Martinez in right field tonight in Fenway Park. According to Cora, who we all love and respect, this one was run through their analytics department and with JBJ being rested this was the best outfield lineup to go with. Imagine that - Let me ask this question - to those of you who still think that JD is just awful in the outfield, do you not like our analytical guys? He ain't the best be he ain't bad either. I think that some of the comments come from those who just want to be disagreeable and cannot deal with maybe being wrong on occasion.

 

That covers 95% of the forum members. Can you be more specific?

[a700hitter]

So let's see - JD Martinez in right field tonight in Fenway Park. According to Cora, who we all love and respect, this one was run through their analytics department and with JBJ being rested this was the best outfield lineup to go with. Imagine that - Let me ask this question - to those of you who still think that JD is just awful in the outfield, do you not like our analytical guys? He ain't the best be he ain't bad either. I think that some of the comments come from those who just want to be disagreeable and cannot deal with maybe being wrong on occasion.

i have no problem with JD in the OF. I just don’t want him to get worn down as his bat is just too important.

[Hitch]

So let's see - JD Martinez in right field tonight in Fenway Park. According to Cora, who we all love and respect, this one was run through their analytics department and with JBJ being rested this was the best outfield lineup to go with. Imagine that - Let me ask this question - to those of you who still think that JD is just awful in the outfield, do you not like our analytical guys? He ain't the best be he ain't bad either. I think that some of the comments come from those who just want to be disagreeable and cannot deal with maybe being wrong on occasion.

 

I'm a little torn on it. He's been absolutely fine so far and made no errors that have worried me. However, I do sometimes think he looks awkward. I don't think his acceleration is the best either, so he wouldn't make the ground up others would.

 

I have no issue with him having a few games in the OF, but I'd be a little nervous if it was in the WS.

 

That said, his bat is so amazing, you get him in no matter what.

 

Such a great hitter.

[Slasher9]

So let's see - JD Martinez in right field tonight in Fenway Park. According to Cora, who we all love and respect, this one was run through their analytics department and with JBJ being rested this was the best outfield lineup to go with. Imagine that - Let me ask this question - to those of you who still think that JD is just awful in the outfield, do you not like our analytical guys? He ain't the best be he ain't bad either. I think that some of the comments come from those who just want to be disagreeable and cannot deal with maybe being wrong on occasion.

 

I don’t think anyone is complaining that JD get an occasional start in the OF. The worry is having him play OF full time where he will get exposed. He hits just fine as a DH.....