Fire alex cora

[mvp 78]

That is impressive. I haven't been to 47 states, but if I had been, I would definitely want to visit those last three, if for no other reason than to hit for the cycle, run the table , so to speak.

 

I've only been to 39. Not sure I'll ever cross off ND, SD, MT, ID or a few others.

[mvp 78]

As I mentioned earlier, I have a number of family members and friends who moved to Florida from up north. They are all glad they did it and have no desire to move back . Apparently, they are lacking in brains, values, virtue, moral character and tolerance . But they are happy. That counts for a lot.

 

Do they hang loofas on their cars?

[moonslav59]

As I mentioned earlier, I have a number of family members and friends who moved to Florida from up north. They are all glad they did it and have no desire to move back . Apparently, they are lacking in brains, values, virtue, moral character and tolerance . But they are happy. That counts for a lot.

 

At least Floridians have the good sense to label snow "woke" and ban it from he state.

[cp176]

As I mentioned earlier, I have a number of family members and friends who moved to Florida from up north. They are all glad they did it and have no desire to move back . Apparently, they are lacking in brains, values, virtue, moral character and tolerance . But they are happy. That counts for a lot.

 

Guess I fit that mold as well. Although I have to say that I'm pretty much all Mainer. Well, actually the 80% of Maine that still seems somewhat normal. Oh well, like old Jad said - I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for the taxes and cheaper living overall, the warmer weather, the security that I feel, among a whole host of other reasons. I must be one of those rich folk though since I do go back to where I grew up for a good chunk of the year.

[cp176]

At least Floridians have the good sense to label snow "woke" and ban it from he state.

 

this joke I can deal with. good one.

[cp176]

Do they hang loofas on their cars?

 

not sure about this one but i see lots of bull nuts hanging off trailer hitches.

[dgalehouse]

I've only been to 39. Not sure I'll ever cross off ND, SD, MT, ID or a few others.

 

I would not mind checking off Hawaii, but it's a little more than I care to spend.

[mvp 78]

@ChrisCotillo

Alex Cora was asked if he wants to return as Red Sox manager in 2025:

 

"I don’t want to talk about that right now."

 

Thank you for this lame duck year, Henry.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

@ChrisCotillo

Alex Cora was asked if he wants to return as Red Sox manager in 2025:

 

"I don’t want to talk about that right now."

 

Thank you for this lame duck year, Henry.

 

With one quote, AC may have just got himself an early axe when the team nosedives, but don't think he doesn't realize exactly what that means: a few months paid leave, and the freedom to field phone calls from prospective employers who really are trying to win.

[notin]

With one quote, AC may have just got himself an early axe when the team nosedives, but don't think he doesn't realize exactly what that means: a few months paid leave, and the freedom to field phone calls from prospective employers who really are trying to win.

 

As I just finished reading "Cheated", I have come to agree with those who say Cora shouldn't be managing at all...

[mvp 78]

At least Floridians have the good sense to label snow "woke" and ban it from he state.

 

This is a lie. We have Florida Snow.

[notin]

This is a lie. We have Florida Snow.

 

She can be seen dancing at PoleKatz every weekend...

[mvp 78]

She can be seen dancing at PoleKatz every weekend...

 

Not for much longer as the state is going to increase the age of dancers to 21!

[Bellhorn04]

As I just finished reading "Cheated", I have come to agree with those who say Cora shouldn't be managing at all...

 

We know he was deeply involved, but what did he do that merited a lifetime ban?

[notin]

We know he was deeply involved, but what did he do that merited a lifetime ban?

 

He and Beltran basically ran the whole show, according to Andy Martino. It was Cora who get the extra monitor set up closer to the Astros dugout. (In their park, the replay room was uncharacteristically far from the clubhouse. They went out of their way to fix that.)

[moonslav59]

He and Beltran basically ran the whole show, according to Andy Martino. It was Cora who get the extra monitor set up closer to the Astros dugout. (In their park, the replay room was uncharacteristically far from the clubhouse. They went out of their way to fix that.)

 

And that merits a lifetime ban?

[notin]

And that merits a lifetime ban?

 

I think there is more merit in banning a manager/coach for cheating than there is banning a player for steroid usage...

[jad]

Oh sure. The players sang like canaries. Cora was the only one who didn't throw anyone else under the bus. So fire him?

[Dipre]

If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I think there is more merit in banning a manager/coach for cheating than there is banning a player for steroid usage...

 

... for deciphering secret codes created to deceive opponents.

 

Whether it's zoom lenses on video cameras or telescopes that have been documented in use by baseball teams for at least 70 years, remember this: the fingers or taps or whatever catchers flash can mean whatever the batteries want them to mean. And they can even change them, at any time! It's not forbidden, in any rulebook!

 

Same thing with the secret codes flashed by base coaches to baserunners... or from managers in the dugout to players on the field... or from one infielder to another... or even behind his back to outfielders paying attention to what's in front of them instead of someone flashing something else in the third row of the grandstand.

[moonslav59]

I think there is more merit in banning a manager/coach for cheating than there is banning a player for steroid usage...

 

Lifetime bans, we are talking, here.

[mvp 78]

Dig up Bill Mazeroski! Piss on his HOF plaque!

[notin]

... for deciphering secret codes created to deceive opponents.

 

Whether it's zoom lenses on video cameras or telescopes that have been documented in use by baseball teams for at least 70 years, remember this: the fingers or taps or whatever catchers flash can mean whatever the batteries want them to mean. And they can even change them, at any time! It's not forbidden, in any rulebook!

 

Same thing with the secret codes flashed by base coaches to baserunners... or from managers in the dugout to players on the field... or from one infielder to another... or even behind his back to outfielders paying attention to what's in front of them instead of someone flashing something else in the third row of the grandstand.

 

Deciphering the codes is not the issue. Using the camera feeds to watch the codes via replay is the issue. In 1961, the use of any "mechanical means" or outside source for stealing signs was banned by the NL President Warren Giles. But players were, punished for it long before that, going back to 1901 when Phillies third base coach Pearce Chiles put his backup catcher in the centerfield bleachers with binoculars and ran a cable underground to the third base coaching box so the player could send him electrical impusles he could feel with his feet. He was caught mid-game because opponents noticed this perennial puddle in the coaching box (used to amplify the signal) even when it had not rained for weeks. Yes, opposing player ran over there midgame and started digging up the coaching box!!

 

So this was already deemed illegal. Steroids, for which players do get banned, were not made illegal until the early 2000's, unless the drug in question was already illegal itself.

 

Stealing signs by decoding them live - or looking for tells and pitch tipping - is still legal and was never banned. Just using live game feeds to decode them was.

 

As for changing signs, that has always been done. Usually as part of the set up. It can be something simple like "follow the two" where the sign after a catcher flashes the two is the real one. Or something more complex like "balls plus one" where the relevant sign changes with the count.

 

Of course, all of this was also much simpler when players only spoke English. But as MLB gets increasingly multilingual, the techniques for communicating have to adapt as well.

 

Just wait until some team employs some hacker to intercept the PitchCom transmissions!

 

Bottom line - Cora broke a rule. I used to think he was punished accordingly. I'm not so sure anymore. They ddi revamp the whole way signals get transmitted now because of him...

Edited February 13, 2024 by notin

[notin]

Lifetime bans, we are talking, here.

 

Jenry Mejia was banned for life for doping violations...

[mvp 78]

Jenry Mejia was banned for life for doping violations...

 

He failed 3 different tests. Let Cora get suspended 3 times.

[notin]

Lifetime bans, we are talking, here.

 

Illegal drugs have also resulted in lifetime bans, although many were overturned. Fergie Jenkins, for example, was temporarily banned for life for possession of cocaine. Steve Howe was banned for life multiple times for his drug issues, sort of making a mockery of the lifetime ban penalty...

[notin]

He failed 3 different tests. Let Cora get suspended 3 times.

 

So three cheating violations leads to a lifetime ban? Precedent has been set that one doesn't. So this might still be in play...

[moonslav59]

Jenry Mejia was banned for life for doping violations...

 

You jumped from steroids to another issue.

 

I'm fine with saying cheating the way Cora did is not as bad or equally as bad as possession of Cocaine.

[notin]

You jumped from steroids to another issue.

 

I'm fine with saying cheating the way Cora did is not as bad or equally as bad as possession of Cocaine.

 

How do you equate it to the various gambling scandals that have resulted in bans?

[notin]

You jumped from steroids to another issue.

 

I'm fine with saying cheating the way Cora did is not as bad or equally as bad as possession of Cocaine.

 

Also, Mejia was banned for testing positive for anabolic steroids. No jump.