Fire alex cora

[Bellhorn04]

I think what the Dodgers clearly offered to Ohtani and Moto was the best PACKAGE. As long as the money was close to what others were offering, that's where they were going.

[notin]

And the theory hasn't changed.

 

In the final analysis, Cohen did establish the price. He didn't know that was what he was doing, but that's how these things work.

 

The Yankees reported offer of 10/300 had a higher AAV, BTW, and it appears they didn't get a chance to increase either.

 

It looks like it could have been a heck of a slugfest if that's what Moto wanted.

 

 

But if it was about winning, he could have simply taken the Didgers offer whatever it was and not used the Mets. He didn’t. He got his contract into record territory. The argument that “but he could have set a bigger record” doesn’t change what his priority was. Why did it take a record-setting deal at all?The final teams involved aren’t even all teams coming off good years. But they are all notoriously large spenders.

 

He got the deal he wanted. As for why he chose the Dodgers over the Mets, Ohtani is certainly a possible reason. Proximity to Japan is another. Maybe the cash he saves with the signing bonus that isn’t taxed due to his not residing in CA? Not sure. Possibly all these plus the recent successes.

 

But I just don’t see how winning was his number one priority. Is it on the list? Sure. But where?

[Bellhorn04]

But if it was about winning, he could have simply taken the Didgers offer whatever it was and not used the Mets. He didn’t. He got his contract into record territory. The argument that “but he could have set a bigger record” doesn’t change what his priority was. Why did it take a record-setting deal at all?The final teams involved aren’t even all teams coming off good years. But they are all notoriously large spenders.

 

He got the deal he wanted. As for why he chose the Dodgers over the Mets, Ohtani is certainly a possible reason. Proximity to Japan is another. Maybe the cash he saves with the signing bonus that isn’t taxed due to his not residing in CA? Not sure. Possibly all these plus the recent successes.

 

But I just don’t see how winning was his number one priority. Is it on the list? Sure. But where?

 

It is somewhat of an academic argument. In a case like this, it was a GIVEN that he was going to be paid a ludicrous amount of money. All the right conditions were in place. So he didn't have to worry about that part. Because of that, it became a case of the player having the luxury of choosing where they want to play.

[moonslav59]

It is somewhat of an academic argument. In a case like this, it was a GIVEN that he was going to be paid a ludicrous amount of money. All the right conditions were in place. So he didn't have to worry about that part. Because of that, it became a case of the player having the luxury of choosing where they want to play.

 

The location or chances of winning seemed to trump the earlier opt out years.

[moonslav59]

Why is the fire Cora thread being used to discuss this?

[notin]

It is somewhat of an academic argument. In a case like this, it was a GIVEN that he was going to be paid a ludicrous amount of money. All the right conditions were in place. So he didn't have to worry about that part. Because of that, it became a case of the player having the luxury of choosing where they want to play.

 

 

So you agree money roped the list, and only then did other factors come into play?

[notin]

Why is the fire Cora thread being used to discuss this?

 

It started out with someone suggesting Cora was going to leave for a more competitive team…

[Bellhorn04]

So you agree money roped the list, and only then did other factors come into play?

 

Pretty much, yes. Money is always a high priority. My argument is that it isn't always the deciding factor between teams.

 

The thing about the Dodgers is they have it all right now. They have the money, the weather, the winning tradition, the strong outlook, the sound management.

[notin]

Pretty much, yes. Money is always a high priority. My argument is that it isn't always the deciding factor between teams.

 

The thing about the Dodgers is they have it all right now. They have the money, the weather, the winning tradition, the strong outlook, the sound management.

 

Bottom line to me is - if you’re not the neighborhood financially, you’re out. That can’t be said about how good of a team you have.

 

Of course you might also be overlooking other factors as well. Ohtani, for example, was obviously far more familiar with Southern California than he was with Toronto. Yamamoto possibly also preferred the proximity to Japan over NYC. We really don’t know of this was a bigger factor than winning, a smaller factor, or a non-factor…

[Bellhorn04]

Bottom line to me is - if you’re not the neighborhood financially, you’re out. That can’t be said about how good of a team you have.

 

Of course you might also be overlooking other factors as well. Ohtani, for example, was obviously far more familiar with Southern California than he was with Toronto. Yamamoto possibly also preferred the proximity to Japan over NYC. We really don’t know of this was a bigger factor than winning, a smaller factor, or a non-factor…

 

Like I say, the Dodgers had it all going for them. They made the decisions easy ones.

[cp176]

I doubt he Makes a lateral move for less money, but that is what is being postulated. Equal money and opportunities? Maybe. Better at both? Definitely…

 

What did I miss? Did someone say that he might leave for the same or less money because he just doesn't want to be in boston?

[notin]

What did I miss? Did someone say that he might leave for the same or less money because he just doesn't want to be in boston?

 

 

Yes. And it started a few conversations this morning…

[jad]

Well, given their record, and given how they treat their best players, what possible reason (other than money) would any player have to prefer Boston to LAD? The weather?

[moonslav59]

Well, given their record, and given how they treat their best players, what possible reason (other than money) would any player have to prefer Boston to LAD? The weather?

 

Taxes, cost of living, family, better city...

[Bellhorn04]

Taxes, cost of living, family, better city...

 

Isn't Massachusetts "Taxachussets" again?

[moonslav59]

Isn't Massachusetts "Taxachussets" again?

 

Not like Cali, as far as I know.

[cp176]

Isn't Massachusetts "Taxachussets" again?

 

Exactly! California and New York would lead the way when it comes to states that would be pretty tough to live in these days for me. Sadly it appears that Maine is becoming Massachusetts north.

[notin]

Exactly! California and New York would lead the way when it comes to states that would be pretty tough to live in these days for me. Sadly it appears that Maine is becoming Massachusetts north.

 

Florida…

[moonslav59]

Exactly! California and New York would lead the way when it comes to states that would be pretty tough to live in these days for me. Sadly it appears that Maine is becoming Massachusetts north.

 

Neither MA nor ME are in the top 10 for income tax. Both are bottom 20 in sales tax.

 

Not sure about property tax.

[jad]

It's very difficult for me to relate to anyone who would choose where to live based not on the beauty of the environment, services provided, schools, culture, etc. but rather on state taxes.

[moonslav59]

It's very difficult for me to relate to anyone who would choose where to live based not on the beauty of the environment, services provided, schools, culture, etc. but rather on state taxes.

 

Many who move from CA to TX cite high taxes and cost of living as the main reason they move.

 

It ain’t the scenery or educational system bringing them here from all over the country.

[notin]

It's very difficult for me to relate to anyone who would choose where to live based not on the beauty of the environment, services provided, schools, culture, etc. but rather on state taxes.

 

Then you must live somewhere with low taxes.

 

It’s a huge factor when you live somewhere that has them…

[jad]

Then you must live somewhere with low taxes.

 

It’s a huge factor when you live somewhere that has them…

 

If you had read and thought about my post, you'd realize you are wrong. Every state I've lived in has what you call high taxes. I do not make life-decisions based on 4-5% of my income (whether that is 1K or 100K). And for those who would rather live in Idaho or Texas or the Dakotas (where I've also lived), or Oklahoma or rural Indiana because they will have another thousand or two to spend on amazon, have at it!

[moonslav59]

If you had read and thought about my post, you'd realize you are wrong. Every state I've lived in has what you call high taxes. I do not make life-decisions based on 4-5% of my income (whether that is 1K or 100K). And for those who would rather live in Idaho or Texas or the Dakotas (where I've also lived), or Oklahoma or rural Indiana because they will have another thousand or two to spend on amazon, have at it!

 

It’s way more than that.

 

You can buy a huge house for the same price as a small Cali condo.

 

Cost of living is way lower. For many people who live pay check to pay check the difference in lifestyle is massive.

 

Having a big house with s yard is a big plus for family life. Having some spare change to spend on non essentials, too.

[notin]

If you had read and thought about my post, you'd realize you are wrong. Every state I've lived in has what you call high taxes. I do not make life-decisions based on 4-5% of my income (whether that is 1K or 100K). And for those who would rather live in Idaho or Texas or the Dakotas (where I've also lived), or Oklahoma or rural Indiana because they will have another thousand or two to spend on amazon, have at it!

 

For a lot of people, that 4-5% is a big deal…

[moonslav59]

For a lot of people, that 4-5% is a big deal…

 

Even $50 a month more can make a big difference, but for most it’s way more than that.

[jad]

People for whom $50/month makes a big difference in their living situations ALSO cannot relate to those of you who apparently would make any sacrifice in order to have that money.

 

(But at least I'm beginning to understand why many posters here seem so concerned with the size of JH's wallet.)

[notin]

Even $50 a month more can make a big difference, but for most it’s way more than that.

 

For a lot of people, property taxes are more than 4-5% of their income, too…

[dgalehouse]

High taxes , whether income, property, sales or whatnot, has an effect on the economy of the state involved. You will tend to see higher rents, higher cost of goods and services, etc. All of this is okay if you can afford it and don't mind paying. But for a lot of folks, it is a serious problem.

[jad]

I love the argument that since poor people have to struggle to get by financially, then it's perfectly ok for comfortable middle-class people or the filthy rich to scrape and claw for every nickel they can get as well. Note above, how JH's frugality is seen as comparable to the micro-economies of people shopping at the 99c store.