2017/18 Hot Stove Thread

[Kimmi]

Status quo in a window period is not a rational approach, even if it means a bad contract.

 

I am very near certain, DD is not thinking status quo, despite the Moreland re-signing.

 

So, you both are on board with signing JD to $210 mil/ 7 years, if that's what it takes?

[Kimmi]

I am very near certain, DD is not thinking status quo, despite the Moreland re-signing.

 

FTR, I am also very near certain that Dombrowski will make a major acquisition of some sort. Not that I will necessarily agree with what he does, but I'm almost certain he will do something big.

[Kimmi]

What if Hanley's shoulder surgery is the difference. You got him next year, at a decent price, and your in the ballpark for say Machado, or Donaldson. Forget JD.

 

I would like to sign JD if we can sign him for 5 years or less.

 

But I agree with you that Hanley's surgery might really make a difference with his performance. Again, I would be okay with keeping our offense as is.

[moonslav59]

So, you both are on board with signing JD to $210 mil/ 7 years, if that's what it takes?

 

No. He will not get $210M/7 from anybody.

 

I'm thinking $125M/5 will be the top offer, but I might go as high as $130M/5 or $150M/6, if that's is what it will take to get him.

[moonslav59]

FTR, I am also very near certain that Dombrowski will make a major acquisition of some sort. Not that I will necessarily agree with what he does, but I'm almost certain he will do something big.

 

I'd be fine with acquiring a top pitcher instead of JD, but I'd prefer we add major power.

 

I'm usually all about pitching, and maybe I have more faith in Price, Porcello & Pomeranz than is deserved.

[cp176]

I am certainly with the majority here in my thinking that that offense needs the big bat. Where I might differ from some I guess is that the number of years is a lot more important than the money it takes. I don 't think I would go beyond the five year deal but the $ figure just is not all that important. Something between 125 and 150.

[notin]

FTR, I am also very near certain that Dombrowski will make a major acquisition of some sort. Not that I will necessarily agree with what he does, but I'm almost certain he will do something big.

 

I'm not even certain Dombrowski is still alive. There haven't been that many signs of life this off-season.

 

And bringing Mike Olt on board doesn't count

[moonslav59]

I am certainly with the majority here in my thinking that that offense needs the big bat. Where I might differ from some I guess is that the number of years is a lot more important than the money it takes. I don 't think I would go beyond the five year deal but the $ figure just is not all that important. Something between 125 and 150.

 

So, which would your prefer?

 

$150/6 deal ($25M x 6)

 

or

 

$161M/7 ($23M x 7)?

 

For $11M more, we save $2M a year for 6 years both in real dollars and luxury tax costs.

 

I'm thinking this might get it done....

 

$130M/5 ($26M x 50) with an option for a 6th season at $20M with a $5M buy out, making it...

 

 

$135M/5 or $27M/5 but a luxury cost of $22.5M (essentially: $135M/6)

or

$150M/6 ($25M x 6)

 

 

 

[Bellhorn04]

I am certainly with the majority here in my thinking that that offense needs the big bat.

 

Those who say we don't necessarily need a good bat may in fact be correct. But I would rather err on the side of more offense this year.

 

Those who say we could really use another starting pitcher are right, too.

[moonslav59]

Those who say we don't necessarily need a good bat may in fact be correct. But I would rather err on the side of more offense this year.

 

Those who say we could really use another starting pitcher are right, too.

 

What's the chances DD does both?

[Bellhorn04]

What's the chances DD does both?

 

Can't go over the big penalty level - you know the math.

[a700hitter]

So, you both are on board with signing JD to $210 mil/ 7 years, if that's what it takes?

Not getting a big bat is not acceptable. Status quo in a window period is irrational.

[mvp 78]

Dombrowski is at the B’s game tonight INSTEAD OF SIGNING THE FA’S WE NEED!

[a700hitter]

Dombrowski is at the B’s game tonight INSTEAD OF SIGNING THE FA’S WE NEED!

Hopefully, he is working the phone.

[Spudboy]

What's the chances DD does both?

 

It would be a lot higher if Boy Blunder had not shot the Sox wad on Fatboy and the Sloth.

 

Imagine if this team had another 41 mil to spend.

[harmony]

Hopefully, he is working the phone.

The technology has evolved:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/04/sports/baseball/general-managers-texting.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

Edited January 7, 2018 by harmony

[mvp 78]

It would be a lot higher if Boy Blunder had not shot the Sox wad on Fatboy and the Sloth.

 

Imagine if this team had another 41 mil to spend.

 

[Hitch]

Over and over and over again, people complain about the stupid contracts weighing us down now. And then in the same breath advocate signing Martinez, even if it's a crazy 7 year contract. Because it has to be done, no matter the cost.

 

Some logic at work right there.

[a700hitter]

Over and over and over again, people complain about the stupid contracts weighing us down now. And then in the same breath advocate signing Martinez, even if it's a crazy 7 year contract. Because it has to be done, no matter the cost.

 

Some logic at work right there.

I don't think anyone here has advocated for a 7 year contract, certainly not anyone who is complaining about the contracts weighing us down. So, the premise of your post is not correct.

[moonslav59]

Can't go over the big penalty level - you know the math.

 

Actually, going over the second tier is not all that bad. Signing a QO free agent is about as bad.

 

Since we reset the tax, things wouldn't be horrible going way over for just one year.

[cp176]

So, which would your prefer?

 

$150/6 deal ($25M x 6)

 

or

 

$161M/7 ($23M x 7)?

 

For $11M more, we save $2M a year for 6 years both in real dollars and luxury tax costs.

 

I'm thinking this might get it done....

 

$130M/5 ($26M x 50) with an option for a 6th season at $20M with a $5M buy out, making it...

 

 

$135M/5 or $27M/5 but a luxury cost of $22.5M (essentially: $135M/6)

or

$150M/6 ($25M x 6)

 

 

 

 

I would not go beyond 5 years. Once again, somewhere between or at 125-150.

[oldtimer]

I would not go beyond 5 years. Once again, somewhere between or at 125-150.

 

I still believe our offer is a good one at 5 years, but should also include a time limit to allow us to go to plan B if Boras holds out for more years. It doesn't make sense to wait until the options become too limited. Give him til mid January and then move on. Sometimes the signing not made is the best in the long run.

[jacksonianmarch]

Your offense must be upgraded. Relying on “positive regression” is moronic. If you upgrade the offense and then the guys improve around him, then good for you. If you do nothing and your offense drops further then DD might be out of a job.

 

The cap hell thats coming will limit the options going forward. You have to win in 2018

[cp176]

I still believe our offer is a good one at 5 years, but should also include a time limit to allow us to go to plan B if Boras holds out for more years. It doesn't make sense to wait until the options become too limited. Give him til mid January and then move on. Sometimes the signing not made is the best in the long run.

 

I think that you are right about - sometimes the best moves are the ones that are never made. In this case though, I'm kind of wavering on a hard deadline being set. I think that we need a bat in that lineup that badly. A couple of years ago, I wanted them to go after Cruz and last year Encarnarcion. I really thought that he was coming. Barring at trade, looks to me like Martinez is a good fit for us moving on. My guess is that the communication lines will stay open until we have him. I really am not optimistic that our team at present will produce the runs it is going to take to win big. I do hope that all the guys who had down years last year bounce back heartily - I just don't take it for granted that they will.

[Kimmi]

No. He will not get $210M/7 from anybody.

 

I'm thinking $125M/5 will be the top offer, but I might go as high as $130M/5 or $150M/6, if that's is what it will take to get him.

 

Well, that's kind of my point. You have a limit as to how high you would go. So do I, mine just happens to be 5 years, though I would even the AAV.

 

I realize that JD is likely not getting 7 years, but if you had to choose between giving him the 7 year deal (something above your limit) or going status quo, which would you do?

 

I would rather go status quo than give JD 6+ years. I am on board with a 5 year deal to JD, even though that's one year more than I would like to give him.

[Kimmi]

I'd be fine with acquiring a top pitcher instead of JD, but I'd prefer we add major power.

 

I'm usually all about pitching, and maybe I have more faith in Price, Porcello & Pomeranz than is deserved.

 

If I had more confidence in Price being able to stay healthy all season, then I'd be in favor of a bat over pitching.

[Kimmi]

I am certainly with the majority here in my thinking that that offense needs the big bat. Where I might differ from some I guess is that the number of years is a lot more important than the money it takes. I don 't think I would go beyond the five year deal but the $ figure just is not all that important. Something between 125 and 150.

 

I agree with you in that I'm more concerned with the years than the dollar amount. I would increase the AAV if that meant we could sign JD for fewer years.

[Kimmi]

I'm not even certain Dombrowski is still alive. There haven't been that many signs of life this off-season.

 

And bringing Mike Olt on board doesn't count

 

You are not very impressed with the Mike Olt signing, are you? LOL

 

Dombrowski is trying the patient approach this offseason. I like it.

[Kimmi]

Not getting a big bat is not acceptable. Status quo in a window period is irrational.

 

You didn't answer the question.

[Kimmi]

Over and over and over again, people complain about the stupid contracts weighing us down now. And then in the same breath advocate signing Martinez, even if it's a crazy 7 year contract. Because it has to be done, no matter the cost.

 

Some logic at work right there.

 

Post of the year!