2017/18 Hot Stove Thread

[Jack Flap]

FanGraphs columnist Dave Cameron sees the Red Sox as major players this offseason:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-teams-that-will-run-the-off-season/

 

Interesting that he could see a Bradley or Bogaerts dealt this winter and a free agent signed in their place. Also, he does not expect the Marlins to get much for Stanton without eating salary.

[moonslav59]

Interesting that he could see a Bradley or Bogaerts dealt this winter and a free agent signed in their place. Also, he does not expect the Marlins to get much for Stanton without eating salary.

 

I've been saying I don't think it will take a whole lot to get Stanton, if we pay his whole salary.

 

I could even see us getting Stanton or JD Martinez plus Santana or Moose.

[oldtimer]

I've been saying I don't think it will take a whole lot to get Stanton, if we pay his whole salary.

 

I could even see us getting Stanton or JD Martinez plus Santana or Moose.

 

I could see us trading one of our younger players but no more than that. To me, JBJ is most likely and Betts not at all a possibility. We need a big bat and one of Stanton or Martinez would fulfill that but at great cost. I would like to see action taken on 1st/3rd base which neither Stanton or Martinez would fulfill. We also need second base help and probably a relief pitcher. Lots of bucks to get all that done.

[harmony]

The San Francisco Giants have retained Pablo Sandoval at the league minimum with the Red Sox on the hook for the $17.4 million balance in 2018 (and beyond).

 

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/11/06/giants-pick-up-options-on-bumgarner-moore-and-sandoval-as-they-gear-up-for-critical-offseason/

Edited November 7, 2017 by harmony

[notin]

There might be some merit to signing Moustakas and Cozart and then dealing Bogaerts, preferably for a starting pitcher. Doubtful it happens.

 

2b might be handled internally, per Yahoo sports today...

[Larry Cook]

At what point does bogey go from a potential elite player to a below average fielder and average hitter.

[moonslav59]

At what point does bogey go from a potential elite player to a below average fielder and average hitter.

 

Well, he was never above average on defense, although many expected him to improve to at least average.

 

His offense declined, perhaps due to playing injured.

 

Next year could be break-out time for Bogey.

[moonslav59]

Top SS WAR since 2015

 

16.5 Lindor

14.6 Seager

13.7 Correa

12.4 Bogaerts

12.1 Crawford

11.1 Simmons

9.7 Gregorius

8.9 Cozart

 

Bogey placed 6th in wRC+ at 107

3rd OBP .352

7th OPS .776

 

17th UZR/150 at -1.2

28th DRS at -22

[Bellhorn04]

The San Francisco Giants have retained Pablo Sandoval at the league minimum with the Red Sox on the hook for the $17.4 million balance in 2018 (and beyond).

 

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/11/06/giants-pick-up-options-on-bumgarner-moore-and-sandoval-as-they-gear-up-for-critical-offseason/

 

2018 and 2019 to be precise.

[moonslav59]

2018 and 2019 to be precise.

 

Big savings for us!

 

(LOL)

[Hugh2]

Top SS WAR since 2015

 

16.5 Lindor

14.6 Seager

13.7 Correa

12.4 Bogaerts

12.1 Crawford

11.1 Simmons

9.7 Gregorius

8.9 Cozart

 

Bogey placed 6th in wRC+ at 107

3rd OBP .352

7th OPS .776

 

17th UZR/150 at -1.2

28th DRS at -22

 

I wonder how much Bogarets injury hampered him in 2017? If healthy, could he give this lineup a big boost?

[moonslav59]

I wonder how much Bogarets injury hampered him in 2017? If healthy, could he give this lineup a big boost?

 

I'm thinking it was a big issue. He started the year off very well.

 

I'm also thinking Mookie's decline was probably related to an injury.

 

We had a lot of people playing hurt last year plus many more missing time, and we still won the division. A little more luck and maybe we can all gel at the same time- like 2013.

[harmony]

2018 and 2019 to be precise.

And the $5 million buyout of the 2020 team option:

 

http://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/nl-west/san-francisco-giants/

 

Would the Giants need to pay the league minimum to offset the $5 million buyout?

[Nick]

And the $5 million buyout of the 2020 team option:

 

http://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/nl-west/san-francisco-giants/

 

Would the Giants need to pay the league minimum to offset the $5 million buyout?

 

I would say no.

 

Pablo become free agent 5 days after 2019 World Series. Giants obligation for 2019 is league minimum, which would have been paid by the Giants in full by conclusion of 2019. What service did Giants receive from Pablo for 2020?

[sk7326]

I wonder how much Bogarets injury hampered him in 2017? If healthy, could he give this lineup a big boost?

 

I am guessing a lot. Hand/wrist injuries (gripping the f'ing bat!) are very hard to fix during the season. Chavis, Bryce Harper, Pedroia have all had seasons totally sunk because of injuries in that area.

[Bellhorn04]

I am guessing a lot. Hand/wrist injuries (gripping the f'ing bat!) are very hard to fix during the season. Chavis, Bryce Harper, Pedroia have all had seasons totally sunk because of injuries in that area.

 

Also, if you recall, just a few games after Bogaerts got hit in the hand, Farrell used him to pinch run (dubiously perhaps) and Bogaerts aggravated the injury sliding into a base.

[mvp 78]

At what point does bogey go from a potential elite player to a below average fielder and average hitter.

 

He'd have to become a below average fielder first. His fielding woes are overstated. http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=12161&position=SS

[mvp 78]

Logan Morrison did not receive a QO. Any Sox interest?

 

The only players to receive QO's were:

 

Jake Arrieta, SP, Cubs - no interest

Lorenzo Cain, OF, Royals - sign if they trade JBJ?

Alex Cobb, SP, Rays - maybe?

Wade Davis, RP, Cubs - probably not needed

Greg Holland, RP, Rockies - no interest

Eric Hosmer, 1B, Royals - Sox might want him, but I don't

Lance Lynn, SP, Cardinals - nope

Mike Moustakas, 3B, Royals - Devers is better

Carlos Santana, 1B, Guardians - DH if they don't sign JD Martinez?

[sk7326]

Logan Morrison did not receive a QO. Any Sox interest?

 

The only players to receive QO's were:

 

Jake Arrieta, SP, Cubs - no interest

Lorenzo Cain, OF, Royals - sign if they trade JBJ?

Alex Cobb, SP, Rays - maybe?

Wade Davis, RP, Cubs - probably not needed

Greg Holland, RP, Rockies - no interest

Eric Hosmer, 1B, Royals - Sox might want him, but I don't

Lance Lynn, SP, Cardinals - nope

Mike Moustakas, 3B, Royals - Devers is better

Carlos Santana, 1B, Guardians - DH if they don't sign JD Martinez?

 

I could do Morrison. I could also see Curtis Granderson as a lefty platoon partner and juggle Travis-Ramirez-Granderson across the two positions.

 

For additional starters? My top choice would be to offer Sabbathia a 1-year deal

 

Brandon Philips would be a good choice for an extra infielder who can play 2B and 3B enough and fake SS at least as well as Nunez did.

[mvp 78]

I don't really know how much Granderson or Phillips have left. They'd have to be really cheap.

[sk7326]

I don't really know how much Granderson or Phillips have left. They'd have to be really cheap.

 

I think both would be. Granderson can't hit lefties anymore - so he'd be part of a platoon solution. I don't love it - but if we have to go with a shorter term approach, that's what I'd do.

[moonslav59]

He'd have to become a below average fielder first. His fielding woes are overstated. http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=12161&position=SS

 

He's 28th out of 31 in DRS since 2015.

 

He's 17th out of 31 in UZR/150.

 

He's not average.

[mvp 78]

He's 28th out of 31 in DRS since 2015.

 

He's 17th out of 31 in UZR/150.

 

He's not average.

 

17 out of 31 is average.

[notin]

On the MLBTR fan prediction contest, I'm predicting the Sox sign Hosmer, Minor and Howie Kendrick.

 

Traditionally I do not do well on this contest...

[notin]

Logan Morrison did not receive a QO.

 

Mike Moustakas, 3B, Royals - Devers is better

 

Devers isn't a better fielder thsn Moustakas. The idea of signing Moustakas and moving Devers to first, while probably not likely, makes more sense than signing Hosmer or Morrison.

 

Morrison, along with Duda and Alonso, should probably be avoided if they aren't dirt cheap. Players who have that one career year perfectly timed with free agency often immediately revert to mediocrity after cashing a few hefty pay checks...

Edited November 7, 2017 by notin

[notin]

I think both would be. Granderson can't hit lefties anymore - so he'd be part of a platoon solution. I don't love it - but if we have to go with a shorter term approach, that's what I'd do.

 

Forget Grandson, who is 36 or 37 and pretty much done...

[moonslav59]

Devers isn't a better fielder thsn Moustakas. The idea of signing Moustakas and moving Devers to first, while probably not likely, makes more sense than signing Hosmer or Morrison.

 

Morrison, along with Duda and Alonso, should probably be avoided if they aren't dirt cheap. Players who have that one career year perfectly timed with free agency often immediately revert to mediocrity after cashing a few hefty pay checks...

 

Duda is being projected to get $6M/1.

[notin]

17 out of 31 is average.

 

What about 28th out of 31?

[moonslav59]

17 out of 31 is average.

 

It's slightly below average, and DRS numbers make it certainly below average.

 

He isn't getting any better, which is what bothers me most:

 

19th out of 33 in UZR/150 from 2016-2017 and 33rd out of 33 in DRS at -21!

 

One shows slightly below average. One shows the worst of all. I wouldn't call that average.

 

[2017 alone shows17 out of 30 in UZR/150 and 29 out of 30 in DRS at -15.]

[moonslav59]

What about 28th out of 31?

 

33rd out of 33 in DRS since 2016!