9/25 vs Toronto

[TylerD]

Btw...I'll take poms s***** game tonight. Save the gems for two weeks

 

Poms will be just fine hopefully. He usually rebounds very nice after a s*** start.

[Spudboy]

They haven't said anything. I'm going by my eyes and what I saw. His knee is toast for this season. It needed more time but he tweaked it again big time. Betts will be fine though. Hopefully CY sprains something though....

 

After the game explained that Nunez only "tweaked" his knee and that he did not aggravate it. His words.

 

Mookie was a precautionary move because his hand was hurting more tonight.

[moonslav59]

After the game explained that Nunez only "tweaked" his knee and that he did not aggravate it. His words.

 

Mookie was a precautionary move because his hand was hurting more tonight.

 

Let's hope this good news proves true.

[Emp9]

Oh well. They just won 6 in a row and were 8-2 out of last 10.

[oldtimer]

Oh well. They just won 6 in a row and were 8-2 out of last 10.

 

Without Pomeranz imploding, this would have been another win.

[S5Dewey]

Travis with a boneheaded play

JF is a f***ing idiot for letting nunez finish that AB

 

This concerns me a lot. IIRC this is the second time in the recent past that Farrell has let the players make a decision for him. The first was when JF wanted to pull Sale and Sale talked him out of it.

 

I can understand Nunez wanting to stay in the game but that should not be his call.

 

I dunno... maybe this post is because I still have flashbacks of Grady Little talking with Pedro. :-(

[Youk Of The Nation]

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[TylerD]

Oh well. They just won 6 in a row and were 8-2 out of last 10.

 

This.

 

Jays still have a solid team that underperformed this year and always give us good series. I wasn't expecting a sweep of the Reds, Jays and Astros going into the playoffs. All that matters is winning the division right now which would take a complete mental breakdown to not do that. I still hope we can win this series against the Jays because the Astros series (even though they might rest some players) will still be a very tough series. It's only one loss and I am fine with it as it was a competitive game...... Had Drew pitched like he is capable of it would have been an easy win.

[Bellhorn04]

Josh Donaldson is still a beast. Wonder where the Jays are going to trade him.

[Maxbialystock]

It doesn't take much does it.. I guess Pom is on the s*** list.......... talk about what have you done for me lately..

 

My gripe with Pom goes back quite a ways. The lousy start only confirmed what I have long thought. He doesn't routinely cover 1b on grounders to the right. He is a lefty who normally faces 6 of 9, 7 of 9, or even 8 of 9 righty bats and does not have a changeup. He has a good knuckle curve, but does not spot it well. He is more accurate with his so-so fastball, but also does not normally throw it for strikes in the bottom part of the zone. He has 16 quality starts in 31 starts largely because getting to 6 innings is a struggle for him because he wisely (I'm serious) uses a lot of pitches to get through an inning. He has to pitch carefully because he does not have great stuff and because he does not really have great control.

 

As I said to moonslav, the fact that Pom remains our #2 starter is more a commentary on the fact that Price has been on the DL so much, Porcello has had a terrible year (after getting the Cy Young), and ERod, while he has good stuff, has struggled with command of his pitches, especially in the early innings.

Edited September 26, 2017 by Maxbialystock

[Spudboy]

Josh Donaldson is still a beast. Wonder where the Jays are going to trade him.

 

I don't know the ins and outs of the Toronto payroll or system so I can't say anything with much conviction.

 

However, Toronto has to pay somebody with huge upside to keep their offense intact.

 

They are crazy if they don't keep Donaldson.

 

It won't happen, but I would love to see him with the Sox.

 

He is a beast.

[Slasher9]

This concerns me a lot. IIRC this is the second time in the recent past that Farrell has let the players make a decision for him. The first was when JF wanted to pull Sale and Sale talked him out of it.

 

I can understand Nunez wanting to stay in the game but that should not be his call.

 

I dunno... maybe this post is because I still have flashbacks of Grady Little talking with Pedro. :-(

 

honestly i could not believe nunie wasnt pulled from the game right then and there. we needed the guy for the post season. not game# 156. the second he crumpled on that swing he needed to be removed.

[Slasher9]

also - who is in charge of Sox medical staff? honestly the dude needs to be fired. there is NO WAY nunez should have been in the lineup if he can't even make a swing at an outside slider. i mean...the MLB RH pitcher earns their livelyhood on outside sliders to a RH batter....it's not a secret or a unheard of pitch.

[TylerD]

Josh Donaldson is still a beast. Wonder where the Jays are going to trade him.

 

I honestly don't see the Jays losing him. That player is a one man wrecking machine....... He sparks that entire offense. Jays would be absolutely insane to not do everything they can to keep him. I understand if a big market team comes after Donaldson the Jays might not have much choice...... But Donaldson has said numerous times he loves playing in Toronto and loves the fans...... I would actually be surprised to see him leave Toronto if they offer him something half decent.

[a700hitter]

also - who is in charge of Sox medical staff? honestly the dude needs to be fired. there is NO WAY nunez should have been in the lineup if he can't even make a swing at an outside slider. i mean...the MLB RH pitcher earns their livelyhood on outside sliders to a RH batter....it's not a secret or a unheard of pitch.

Our medical staff stinks.

[mvp 78]

Our medical staff stinks.

 

Why did Farrell let him finish up that at bat though?

 

After he twisted his knee, they should have sent him to the showers.

[TylerD]

honestly i could not believe nunie wasnt pulled from the game right then and there. we needed the guy for the post season. not game# 156. the second he crumpled on that swing he needed to be removed.

 

Either our medical staff is awful or they thought it wasn't too serious...... Either way it was stupid to not pull him immediately.... Could be the difference whether he makes the playoffs or not..... Some injuries you get the player out of the game right away and rest him....... Others if it's just mild they can be ok.... But generally an injury regardless how serious it is or not (even a mild spasm) you should get the player out asap to stay on the safe side. I didn't personally see it but from the other posters on the board it didn't sound good.

[a700hitter]

Why did Farrell let him finish up that at bat though?

 

After he twisted his knee, they should have sent him to the showers.

One of his 2 brain cells was probably in need of recharging.

[mvp 78]

One of his 2 brain cells was probably in need of recharging.

 

Eck and Remy had a lot to say about that decision too. Their point was that you couldn't learn anything about Nunez's knee when Nunez jogged down the 3b line to show that he was ok. It's baffling that he wouldn't just talk him out of staying in and say "we need you for the playoffs."

[jad]

This concerns me a lot. IIRC this is the second time in the recent past that Farrell has let the players make a decision for him. The first was when JF wanted to pull Sale and Sale talked him out of it.

 

I can understand Nunez wanting to stay in the game but that should not be his call.

 

I dunno... maybe this post is because I still have flashbacks of Grady Little talking with Pedro. :-(

 

Actually, Pedro was right! Had (whats-his-name-thank-god-i've-forgotten) made decent contact, which he did not, it would have been a routine lazy fly ball to center and Little would have been hailed as a genius.

[illinoisredsox]

Actually, Pedro was right! Had (whats-his-name-thank-god-i've-forgotten) made decent contact, which he did not, it would have been a routine lazy fly ball to center and Little would have been hailed as a genius.

 

But results do matter. Flash forward a year, if Ortiz makes decent contact in the 14th inning of game 5, it's an easy fly to center and the game continues to who knows what result. Instead it was one of the early notches in his "clutch" belt.

[S5Dewey]

FWIW, I played for a short time with a guy who said he had a piece of loose cartilage floating around in his knee. He'd be chasing a ball and suddenly go down like he'd been shot with a gun. Then he'd lie there for a minute manipulating that piece of cartilage until it was out of the way and then he'd be up and playing again.

 

I don't have any knowledge of what's going on inside Nunez' knee and there's NO F-ing way I'd have let him finish that AB, but if that's his problem that may be the argument he used to stay in the game.

[Spudboy]

I like to error ( if necessary ) on the side of caution so I would have pulled him with an eye for the playoffs.

 

However, none of us know the exact nature and severity of his injury and it's current status.

 

The decision to let him continue was made by people who know more details than any of us. Maybe Farrell is right that it was unlikely that he would aggravate the injury by

remaining in the game.

[Maxbialystock]

I like to error ( if necessary ) on the side of caution so I would have pulled him with an eye for the playoffs.

 

However, none of us know the exact nature and severity of his injury and it's current status.

 

The decision to let him continue was made by people who know more details than any of us. Maybe Farrell is right that it was unlikely that he would aggravate the injury by

remaining in the game.

 

That's how I see it too. I just find it hard to second guess guys with more information and more experience. Eck and Remy are paid to discuss stuff like that, whether or not they second guess Farrell. Heck, it's a good story precisely because Nunez was returning from the DL and is pretty valuable. Funny no one has pointed out that Farrell brought him back as the DH to minimize the risk to the knee. Plus he had him run the bases Sunday to demonstrate how the knee was affecting him. There is no way, no how Nunez had not taken plenty of swings at real pitches during his time on the DL. Plus this. I think the damage was done on that first swing and that the second swing and the line out did no further damage. If there was an error, it was bringing Nunez back too soon, but a lot of people who should know thought he was ready, and indeed so he appeared in his first at bat when he doubled and later scored.

[TylerD]

That's how I see it too. I just find it hard to second guess guys with more information and more experience. Eck and Remy are paid to discuss stuff like that, whether or not they second guess Farrell. Heck, it's a good story precisely because Nunez was returning from the DL and is pretty valuable. Funny no one has pointed out that Farrell brought him back as the DH to minimize the risk to the knee. Plus he had him run the bases Sunday to demonstrate how the knee was affecting him. There is no way, no how Nunez had not taken plenty of swings at real pitches during his time on the DL. Plus this. I think the damage was done on that first swing and that the second swing and the line out did no further damage. If there was an error, it was bringing Nunez back too soon, but a lot of people who should know thought he was ready, and indeed so he appeared in his first at bat when he doubled and later scored.

 

I second that..... Never want to rush a player back from an injury that we don't quite understand...... Always frustrating from a fans view seeing a good player get hurt and waiting for him to come back. Reminds me of COLTS fans wanting Luck back to play now and everyone thinking he is fine.... You rush a player back too soon from injury or surgery and it could take them out even longer or ruin their career permanently.