8/31 a vs scumbags

[mvp 78]

yes. you slide cleats up into my all star 2nd baseman taking out his knee i am going to drill you the next time you step in the box.

 

Fake news. Machado didn't mean it. Pedroia was ok with it in fact!

[S5Dewey]

I don't get enraged over physical errors. They are human and not perfect. I get enraged over errors of stupidity. Benintendi's rock imo cost us at least 1 run, maybe more. I don't cut him any slack for being a dope. I don't blame him for the caught stealing as that looked to be a hit and run and a missed sign.

 

THIS! ^ As little as I like physical errors they're a part of the game (as long as they don't happen in excess!). Mental errors bother me more. With nobody out and a runner on first Beni decided to take a chance with the play right in front of him. The result was going to be one of two things. Either the Sox would have runners on 1st & 3rd with nobody out or a runner on 3B with one out. If the ball had gotten into the gap... or even if the RF had to make the throw with his momentum going away from 2B.. that's one thing, but taking the chance of running the team out of the inning was stupid. He's 23 years old, He's probably been playing baseball for 15 years. Did he learn nothing?

 

I was talking with a college scout recently about experience. He told me that one of the things colleges look for in scholarship players is experience. They want to know that when a play happens on the field that the players have seen it happen before so they'll make smart decisions. Beni failed that test last night.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Don't know if you're serious about the Ohio State thing or not, but whatever. I don't care how bad UConn football is or has been, they're my team. Students who can't have a car on campus (me) have to take a bus to the game, since it's like 35-40 minutes away. I got on the bus, went by my house, down roads I've gone on so many times. I fought back tears as we arrived. It was the same stadium I've been to a million times, and the same team on the field. But, there I was, in the student section, in the front row, something I'd wanted to do for a VERY long time. I don't care that I root for absolutely horrible teams, like say UConn and the Jets. Sports to me is about more than winning; it's about the experience and memories.

 

 

And then of course, there were the two drunk girls that were basically feeling me up. It's really a shame the school just got through telling us about a million times that intoxicated consent does not count as consent. There's something about UConn girls.

 

f*** UConn football, f*** it. I don't care how good or not good they are, I live less than a mile away from the stadium and what those games do to the traffic in this town is enough to make me want to nuke that entire f***ing field.

 

Glad you're having fun though, I guess.

[Maxbialystock]

I don't get enraged over physical errors. They are human and not perfect. I get enraged over errors of stupidity. Benintendi's rock imo cost us at least 1 run, maybe more. I don't cut him any slack for being a dope. I don't blame him for the caught stealing as that looked to be a hit and run and a missed sign.

 

Fine. Be enraged. Beni probably deserves it. But I'm sorry, I just don't see how his wisely staying at 1b was going to change the game outcome. Hitless Betts was on deck. The next 4 batters were also hitless for the game. Two of them--Bogie and Devers--came to bat in the 1st with the bases loaded and could do nothing against Sabathia. In the 9th with the bases loaded by 2 walks and an HBP, Nunez struck out, Beni walked, Betts popped up to 2d, and Moreland flied out to LF.

On top of all that you are ignoring that the Yankees scored 6 runs including 2 dingers.

 

We were simply overmatched last night which should come as no surprise because Sabathia owns us this year and ERod, while I thought he battled well in the first 5 innings, just ain't there yet.

[mvp 78]

"What is he talking about? Bunting is part of the game," Rice said on NESN's postgame show. "You try to get on a base any way you can. If you tell him to leave some of that chicken, that donuts and that burger weight, maybe his leg will be OK that he can field that baseball. That's just stupid."

 

Jim Rice will ALWAYS be the greatest.

[Maxbialystock]

We should have bunted 5 more times in a row, or at least shown bunt.

 

The problem is, we don't know how to bunt.

 

Total lack of fundamentals.

 

Please name a Sox team in the John Henry Bill James era (2002 to 2017?) that used the bunt in any significant way. I like bunts, especially in the way you describe, but the Sox abandoned them more than 10 years before Farrell took the helm.

[illinoisredsox]

THIS! ^ As little as I like physical errors they're a part of the game (as long as they don't happen in excess!). Mental errors bother me more. With nobody out and a runner on first Beni decided to take a chance with the play right in front of him. The result was going to be one of two things. Either the Sox would have runners on 1st & 3rd with nobody out or a runner on 3B with one out. If the ball had gotten into the gap... or even if the RF had to make the throw with his momentum going away from 2B.. that's one thing, but taking the chance of running the team out of the inning was stupid. He's 23 years old, He's probably been playing baseball for 15 years. Did he learn nothing?

 

I was talking with a college scout recently about experience. He told me that one of the things colleges look for in scholarship players is experience. They want to know that when a play happens on the field that the players have seen it happen before so they'll make smart decisions. Beni failed that test last night.

 

He strikes me has a guy who has gotten by on sheer physical ability to this point. He was the national high school player of the year; he was the national college player of the year. He's played the game, but he's never learned the game. He's always been able to out run or out talent his mistakes.

 

At every level, there are always a few players you can't do that to. You're not better than they are or at least, you aren't that much better. Those are the guys the pros sign.

[illinoisredsox]

Please name a Sox team in the John Henry Bill James era (2002 to 2017?) that used the bunt in any significant way. I like bunts, especially in the way you describe, but the Sox abandoned them more than 10 years before Farrell took the helm.

 

We're not talking about sacrifice bunts here. But several of these guys could and should learn to bunt for base hits.

[Maxbialystock]

He strikes me has a guy who has gotten by on sheer physical ability to this point. He was the national high school player of the year; he was the national college player of the year. He's played the game, but he's never learned the game. He's always been able to out run or out talent his mistakes.r

 

At every level, there are always a few players you can't do that to. You're not better than they are or at least, you aren't that much better. Those are the guys the pros sign.

 

He's 23, in his first full season and has less MLB experience than all regulars not named Devers. He is 3d on the team in at bats and has the highest OBP and OPS of those among the top ten in at bats. He is second in rbi's, 2d in dingers, 2d in SB's, 3D in runs scored, and 2d in total hits. His base-stealing % is 82%.

 

And he's never learned how to play the game right? If you are right and he has not, pardon me for saying I'm fine with a guy who has wasted those 15 years of organized ball and can only do what Beni has already done.

[a700hitter]

He's 23, in his first full season and has less MLB experience than all regulars not named Devers. He is 3d on the team in at bats and has the highest OBP and OPS of those among the top ten in at bats. He is second in rbi's, 2d in dingers, 2d in SB's, 3D in runs scored, and 2d in total hits. His base-stealing % is 82%.

 

And he's never learned how to play the game right? If you are right and he has not, pardon me for saying I'm fine with a guy who has wasted those 15 years of organized ball and can only do what Beni has already done.

He is making rookie mistakes which are to be expected, but the coaching staff is supposed to coach those out of the kid so they don't recur. Instead, Farrell thinks the kid is learning from the mistakes without coaching input as he says "this game is the greatest teacher." He continues to run the bases like a rookie and throw the balls all over the place from the OF.

[a700hitter]

"What is he talking about? Bunting is part of the game," Rice said on NESN's postgame show. "You try to get on a base any way you can. If you tell him to leave some of that chicken, that donuts and that burger weight, maybe his leg will be OK that he can field that baseball. That's just stupid."

 

Jim Rice will ALWAYS be the greatest.

Apparently, Jim has dined with CC as he is familiar with his diet. Guys from Rice's day did not play fat. If you did, you heard about it, and you had better be really good to stay on the field.

[illinoisredsox]

He is making rookie mistakes which are to be expected, but the coaching staff is supposed to coach those out of the kid so they don't recur. Instead, Farrell thinks the kid is learning from the mistakes without coaching input as he says "this game is the greatest teacher." He continues to run the bases like a rookie and throw the balls all over the place from the OF.

 

Neither you nor I have a clue as to what coaching Beni is or is not getting. All we know is he's been up a little more than a year and continues to make the same mistakes over and over again. Whether it's lack of coaching, unwillingness to learn or inability to learn is the question. Could be any combination of the three. If we know nothing else about Farrell, it's that he doesn't say anything bad about his players in public.

 

Tell me how coaching would have prevented the play at second last night? You can preach theory on that one all day and night, but that's a situation that you have to experience to learn from. In this sense, Farrell is right, the game has to teach you. It was a dumb play and despite that, he still was a questionable replay reversal away from pulling it off. That smacks of a guy who's been able to outrun mistakes since he started playing. The only thing coaching would have done there is coach aggressiveness out of him, and we don't want that either.

[cp176]

He's 23, in his first full season and has less MLB experience than all regulars not named Devers. He is 3d on the team in at bats and has the highest OBP and OPS of those among the top ten in at bats. He is second in rbi's, 2d in dingers, 2d in SB's, 3D in runs scored, and 2d in total hits. His base-stealing % is 82%.

 

And he's never learned how to play the game right? If you are right and he has not, pardon me for saying I'm fine with a guy who has wasted those 15 years of organized ball and can only do what Beni has already done.

 

Hear what you are saying for sure here Max. Nobody wants to string the kid up for sure. But no amount of 'splainin can cover up for some of the baserunning gaffs that Beni has committed this year. I'm very happy that we have him but I guess I am just not used to someone this talented making the kinds of mistakes that he has made. I wonder if he ran the bases the same way as he progressed up through the baseball system? It is possible I guess that he just isn't very bright.

[moonslav59]

Just because Beni is having a good year does not mean he is beyond reproach. He certainly leads the team in RIOBP or running into outs plus bonehead plays.

[mvp 78]

Hear what you are saying for sure here Max. Nobody wants to string the kid up for sure. But no amount of 'splainin can cover up for some of the baserunning gaffs that Beni has committed this year. I'm very happy that we have him but I guess I am just not used to someone this talented making the kinds of mistakes that he has made. I wonder if he ran the bases the same way as he progressed up through the baseball system? It is possible I guess that he just isn't very bright.

 

This team just needs better coaching.

[mvp 78]

Apparently, Jim has dined with CC as he is familiar with his diet. Guys from Rice's day did not play fat. If you did, you heard about it, and you had better be really good to stay on the field.

 

Greg Luzinski was just big boned.

[a700hitter]

Neither you nor I have a clue as to what coaching Beni is or is not getting. All we know is he's been up a little more than a year and continues to make the same mistakes over and over again. Whether it's lack of coaching, unwillingness to learn or inability to learn is the question. Could be any combination of the three. If we know nothing else about Farrell, it's that he doesn't say anything bad about his players in public.

 

Tell me how coaching would have prevented the play at second last night? You can preach theory on that one all day and night, but that's a situation that you have to experience to learn from. In this sense, Farrell is right, the game has to teach you. It was a dumb play and despite that, he still was a questionable replay reversal away from pulling it off. That smacks of a guy who's been able to outrun mistakes since he started playing. The only thing coaching would have done there is coach aggressiveness out of him, and we don't want that either.

I think the run sign was given from the bench with the 3-2 count. So, I don't attribute fault to him on that. If you are going to counter that by saying that I don't know if farrell sent him, then he went on his own and he should only have gone if he got a good enough jump that he was sure to make it and not risk a second out on the bases.

 

As for Farrell's coaching of the running game, he has a history of letting his players run wild and stupid. Omar Vizquel called him out on it when he was playing for Toronto under Farrell.

[a700hitter]

Greg Luzinski was just big boned.

Luzinski fell into the very good category. For my money, in his prime he was a better hitter than Schmidt. Also, if you found pictures of Luzinski and compared it to Butterball Pablo, Luzinski would probably look like Charles Atlas.

[moonslav59]

Luzinski fell into the very good category. For my money, in his prime he was a better hitter than Schmidt. Also, if you found pictures of Luzinski and compared it to Butterball Pablo, Luzinski would probably look like Charles Atlas.

 

There were some fat pitchers back in the day.

[cp176]

 

There were some fat pitchers back in the day.

 

historically, baseball players have not been known for their great physical fitness work. Times are gradually changing.

[cp176]

historically, baseball players have not been known for their great physical fitness work. Times are gradually changing.

 

 

Pablo was a throwup - whoops, I meant to say throwback!

[Kimmi]

You can call a Yankee player anything you want.

 

CC is being a whiny crybaby.

 

Because athletes NEVER exploit any weakness of their opponent.

[Kimmi]

Frankly, I am indifferent to Ecks expostulations. He is paid to get excited about specific plays and not to drone on about the 4 singles which weren't confirmed as the total until the game ended. As I have explained already, I also don't care whether Benintendi was right or wrong. The point is, based on how the game played out and based on our sheer ineptitude when the bases were loaded in the 1st and again in the 9th inning, I think Eck and the rest of you are projecting a very unlikely outcome. Beni staying on 1b wasn't going to change the game's dynamic.

 

I too was enraged by Nunez's misplay in the 5th, but by the end of the game considered it inconsequential. The Yankees won because they had better hitting and pitching and nothing else.

 

I seem to be in the minority here, but I have no problem with Beni trying to stretch that single into a double. It was probably too risky, but that is not a play that I would consider stupid.

 

I'm not sure how the play was overturned by the review team. There was no conclusive evidence. Bogus.

[Kimmi]

"What is he talking about? Bunting is part of the game," Rice said on NESN's postgame show. "You try to get on a base any way you can. If you tell him to leave some of that chicken, that donuts and that burger weight, maybe his leg will be OK that he can field that baseball. That's just stupid."

 

Jim Rice will ALWAYS be the greatest.

 

I knew there was a reason why I love Mr. Rice.

[Northern Star]

This game has sucked.

 

as has every game where we lose to this team.

[Spudboy]

 

There were some fat pitchers back in the day.

 

Denny McClain.

[Maxbialystock]

Just because Beni is having a good year does not mean he is beyond reproach. He certainly leads the team in RIOBP or running into outs plus bonehead plays.

 

He is not above reproach. The context of this discussion is last night's game, which is considered by too many evidence that Beni is costing us wins and materially aided the enemy in the 2d inning. I have explained why that is simply not true, and no one, including you has presented any compelling evidence tgo the contrary.

 

On the bonehead plays costing us a 10-15 game lead, fine. Go with the minimum of the 10 game lead, which means 6 more wins than the current 76. 82 wins gives us the second best record in MLB. You claim you can prove boneheaded plays cost 6 wins and I am equally confident you can't demonstrate it by analyzing any of the 56 losses to date. 82 wins, in case you haven't noticed, would give the Sox the second best record in MLB and the best in the AL, and there is no way, no how with our weak hitting you can assert that.

 

We simply differ in our definitions of fundamentals. Mine are hitting and pitching, and yours are playing smart.

[Bellhorn04]

He is not above reproach. The context of this discussion is last night's game, which is considered by too many evidence that Beni is costing us wins and materially aided the enemy in the 2d inning. I have explained why that is simply not true, and no one, including you has presented any compelling evidence tgo the contrary.

 

On the bonehead plays costing us a 10-15 game lead, fine. Go with the minimum of the 10 game lead, which means 6 more wins than the current 76. 82 wins gives us the second best record in MLB. You claim you can prove boneheaded plays cost 6 wins and I am equally confident you can't demonstrate it by analyzing any of the 56 losses to date. 82 wins, in case you haven't noticed, would give the Sox the second best record in MLB and the best in the AL, and there is no way, no how with our weak hitting you can assert that.

 

We simply differ in our definitions of fundamentals. Mine are hitting and pitching, and yours are playing smart.

 

I think everything matters in baseball, and there are a lot of things that can contribute to an individual game's outcome.

 

I think it's fair to say that this team has made an unusually high number of bonehead plays this year and they've cost us some runs. There's no way to measure how many games they've cost, but saying it's 5 or 10 is totally unsupportable. Saying it's cost a couple would be much more reasonable.

[Northern Star]

I've never liked Sabathia. f*** him.