Red Sox Trade Deadline 2017 Thread

[Hugh2]

It would be nice if a fit existed where we could get a guy to play 3B but could also slide over to 1B if Moreland continues to lay eggs and Devers gets another promotion in a month or so.

[Hugh2]

So the fact that Boston has absolutely nothing at 3rd base right now, and he his hitting AA and AAA pitching like he is bored would not qualify as this being the right time?

 

He has 15 at bats in Pawtucket, his time could be soon but it's by no means a crazy idea to tell people to pump the brakes.

[Spudboy]

No I've heard that the Sox don't think he's ready and aren't ready to promote him yet either as well.

 

Well I saw and heard this comment straight from the horse's ass.

 

For whatever that is worth.

[Hugh2]

Well I saw and heard this comment straight from the horse's ass.

 

For whatever that is worth.

 

The Sox have a game plan for every prospect (for better or worse). They aren't going to to stray very far away from that plan because of what is happening up on the big league level. All we have is 1/2 a season in AA and 19 at bats in AAA to assess Devers by.

 

Yes his stats look good, but these are minor league stats. A guy can look good in the minors and get eaten up at the MLB level, he could be smart enough to wait for the fastballs but really struggle with offspeed stuff on the corner. A hole like that might not slow down a guys stat line in the minors but could be exploited at the MLB level.

 

Devers gets a lot of praise with the bat, for having a great hit tool, and many see a potential .300 30 guy out of him but there's also been some rumbling that he still looks a little confused at the plate with breaking pitches.

 

Then again, he also hit a curveball outside for an opposite field HR today, so what do I know. But if the Sox were going to rush him, and stray away from the plan I suspect they would have done it by now.

[Hugh2]

I was just thinking of another point, in terms of the argument for promoting Devers now, and I think this is the reason why some prospects often make the jump from AA to the majors.

 

Rookie ball thru AA is mostly prospects, and guys with hopes of making the majors but a lot of times 1/2 a teams AAA roster can be up/down career minor leaguers, older players who used to be big leaguers but can't play well anymore. Often times, you are playing next to a guy who you are about to surpass on the depth chart but in HIS MIND he deserves to be playing in the majors.

 

One could argue that atmosphere can be a little toxic, and you don't want a young guy around that for an extended period of time. My best guess is at a certain point if nothing materializes on the trade market the Sox will just bring him up. Even if they don't think his development is done yet if it's towards the end of the season it's not like he will be missing at bats and there's something to be said about gaining exposure at the MLB level. At the very least, it could really help him out next year. And who knows......he might just help us win a world series.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Sweet! From MLB Trade Rumors:

After seeing trade target Todd Frazier head to the Yankees last night, the Red Sox are now eyeing Giants third baseman Eduardo Nunez, tweets Bob Nightengale of USA Today. That’s not the first time the BoSox have been linked to Nunez, though he’s among the first players to whom they have been linked following last night’s Frazier swap between Chicago and New York. The versatile Nunez is a free agent at season’s end and is earning a reasonable $4.2MM this year. He’s not a standout defender anywhere on the diamond, but he could hold down the fort at the hot corner for now and then bounce between third, shortstop, second base and perhaps the corner outfield later in the summer if the Sox give Rafael Devers an audition. Nunez is hitting .295/.319/.407 through 289 plate appearances.

 

 

(1) Trade M.Shawaryn to the Giants for E.Nunez.

(2) Trade M.Chavis and B.Johnson to the A's for Y.Alonso

(3) Trade/release C.Young and promote Brentz

 

Against RHP:

Nunez (3b)

Pedroia (2b)

Betts (RF)

Alonso (1b)

Ramirez (DH)

Benintendi (LF)

Bogaerts (SS)

Bradley (CF)

Vazquez ©

 

Against LHP:

Nunez (3b)

Pedroia (2b)

Betts (RF)

Alonso (1b)

Ramirez (DH)

Bradley (CF)

Bogaerts (SS)

Brentz (LF)

Vazquez ©

 

I like adding Nunez over Frazier -- more speed!

Edited July 19, 2017 by Fan_since_Boggs

[mvp 78]

He has 15 at bats in Pawtucket, his time could be soon but it's by no means a crazy idea to tell people to pump the brakes.

 

19 AB's. 2 HR's.

 

http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=646240#/career/R/hitting/2017/ALL

[Bellhorn04]

Sweet! From MLB Trade Rumors:

 

 

 

(1) Trade M.Shawaryn to the Giants for E.Nunez.

(2) Trade M.Chavis and B.Johnson to the A's for Y.Alonso

(3) Trade/release C.Young and promote Brentz

 

Against RHP:

Nunez (3b)

Pedroia (2b)

Betts (RF)

Alonso (1b)

Ramirez (DH)

Benintendi (LF)

Bogaerts (SS)

Bradley (CF)

Vazquez ©

 

Against LHP:

Nunez (3b)

Pedroia (2b)

Betts (RF)

Alonso (1b)

Ramirez (DH)

Bradley (CF)

Bogaerts (SS)

Brentz (LF)

Vazquez ©

 

I like adding Nunez over Frazier -- more speed!

 

But a .319 OBP at leadoff? I don't think so.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Slav, you keep talking about overpaying for Frazier. We got two lights out relievers with multiple years of control with him. We didn't make that trade just for Frazier, he was a throw in IMO

 

They should have just kept A.Miller, who is better than D.Robertson. They wouldn't have C.Frazier but they would still have B.Rutherford in their system. By keeping Miller, the Yankees would be around two games better than they are now, and would have one of the most dominant relievers in the game for the stretch run.

Edited July 19, 2017 by Fan_since_Boggs

[mvp 78]

But a .319 OBP at leadoff? I don't think so.

 

Would be nicer to have a .476 OBP at leadoff like Devers!

[Bellhorn04]

Would be nicer to have a .476 OBP at leadoff like Devers!

 

I am getting psyched for some Rafael too.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

But a .319 OBP at leadoff? I don't think so.

 

True, but he has speed and makes contact -- thus, he has other leadoff "virtues." The Royals won a world series, almost won two of them, with A.Escobar batting leadoff, another guy who didn't produce high OBP.

[Hugh2]

Sweet! From MLB Trade Rumors:

 

 

 

(1) Trade M.Shawaryn to the Giants for E.Nunez.

(2) Trade M.Chavis and B.Johnson to the A's for Y.Alonso

(3) Trade/release C.Young and promote Brentz

 

Against RHP:

Nunez (3b)

Pedroia (2b)

Betts (RF)

Alonso (1b)

Ramirez (DH)

Benintendi (LF)

Bogaerts (SS)

Bradley (CF)

Vazquez ©

 

Against LHP:

Nunez (3b)

Pedroia (2b)

Betts (RF)

Alonso (1b)

Ramirez (DH)

Bradley (CF)

Bogaerts (SS)

Brentz (LF)

Vazquez ©

 

I like adding Nunez over Frazier -- more speed!

 

I think your trade packages are too light, and I don't trust Brentz at the MLB level.

[jacksonianmarch]

They should have just kept A.Miller, who is better than D.Robertson. They wouldn't have C.Frazier but they would still have B.Rutherford in their system. By keeping Miller, the Yankees would be around two games better than they are now, and would have one of the most dominant relievers in the game for the stretch run.

 

 

Frazier is a lot better than Rutherford

[iortiz]

Frazier started very slow and finished the first half really good. It's going to be interesting to see his performance in the second half now with the Yankees.

[moonslav59]

Frazier started very slow and finished the first half really good. It's going to be interesting to see his performance in the second half now with the Yankees.

 

He's been in MLB since 2011 and never has had a better second half OPS.

 

I'll bet that trend continues.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Frazier is a lot better than Rutherford

 

For me, Rutherford has a greater ceiling but a lower floor than Frazier. I would rather have Frazier if I needed a corner outfielder NOW. I would rather have Rutherford if I need a corner outfielder 2-3 years from now. The Yankees already have a glut of outfielders, with Judge, Hicks and Ellsbury all signed through 2019 and Gardner signed through 2018. As such, there is no immediate need or spot for Frazier--the Yankees would be better off with A.Miller and Rutherford. Cashman screwed this up big time.

Edited July 20, 2017 by Fan_since_Boggs

[moonslav59]

For me, Rutherford has a greater ceiling but a lower floor than Frazier. I would rather have Frazier if I needed a corner outfielder NOW. I would rather have Rutherford if I need a corner outfielder 2-3 years from now. The Yankees already have a glut of outfielders, with Judge, Hicks and Ellsbury all signed through 2019 and Gardner signed through 2018. As such, there is no immediate need or spot for Frazier--the Yankees would be better off with A.Miller and Rutherford. Cashman screwed this up big time.

 

He can just sign Miller again.

[sk7326]

They should have just kept A.Miller, who is better than D.Robertson. They wouldn't have C.Frazier but they would still have B.Rutherford in their system. By keeping Miller, the Yankees would be around two games better than they are now, and would have one of the most dominant relievers in the game for the stretch run.

 

you take that return for miller (and chapman) every day of the week ... a team that's not in the chase has no use for 8 figure relievers

[Fan_since_Boggs]

He can just sign Miller again.

 

After the 2018 season when Miller is 34 years old.

[sk7326]

Of the gettable names Josh Harrison is probably the best one ... again, can move around the field if you want to bring up Devers and he can be a righthanded caddy for both corner infield spots. Lowrie is worthwhile also - Freese and Nunez less so.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

The thing about Harrison, I don't know if Chavis is good enough to acquire him as he is signed through 2020. To acquire Harrison, I'm guessing it will take either Devers or Groome and I'm not willing to pay that price. Players like Alonso, Nunez are easier to acquire since they aren't signed beyond this season.

[a700hitter]

Harrison? Yuk! I'd rather stixk with what we have. I'd rather go for Moustakas, Lowrie, Nunez, Flores or TJ Rivera.

[Jasonbay44]

Harrison? Yuk! I'd rather stixk with what we have. I'd rather go for Moustakas, Lowrie, Nunez, Flores or TJ Rivera.

 

Yuck? Harrison is a really good player. I'm not sure I'd be willing to pay the price for him (He'll cost more than rentals) but I'd love to get him.

[notin]

Harrison? Yuk! I'd rather stixk with what we have. I'd rather go for Moustakas, Lowrie, Nunez, Flores or TJ Rivera.

 

Nunez, Flores or Rivera over Harrison?!?!?!

 

If it's about the cost, I get that. But Harrison is an All Star while these other three all are or should be utility infielders...

[a700hitter]

Nunez, Flores or Rivera over Harrison?!?!?!

 

If it's about the cost, I get that. But Harrison is an All Star while these other three all are or should be utility infielders...

The others -- Nunez, Flores and Rivera would be very cheap and I don't think Harrison is more than just marginally better than each of them. Harrison is not worth the cost. If we are going to pay a price in good prospects, I'd rather figure out a way to get Moustakas.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

I like Nunez but he is basically replacement value this year. The more I think about it, the more I think Devers has been the plan all along. The Red Sox were in on Frazier to drive up the asking price on the Yankees.

 

Trade for an offensive upgrade at 1b, promote Devers, and then go to war with that team.

[notin]

The others -- Nunez, Flores and Rivera would be very cheap and I don't think Harrison is more than just marginally better than each of them. Harrison is not worth the cost. If we are going to pay a price in good prospects, I'd rather figure out a way to get Moustakas.

 

Like I said, I get not wanting to pay for Harrison. But the Flores/Nunez/Rivera trio is barely an upgrade over Holt and Marrero, if not a step down. Harrison is light years better thsn any of them.

 

I like Moustakas, too, but at least Harrison is controlled beyond this season.

[jacksonianmarch]

Flores and Rivera aren't worth it. Nunez is a speedy contact hitter who would be an upgrade offensively, but he's not much defensively. There will be some bidding on him due to his high AVG and speed combo. Harrison will cost a lot to pry away, but he can be your 3b for awhile.

[Nick]

Rafael Devers seems unfazed by his promotion to Pawtucket, as he is now 8 for 19 with two home runs after going 1 for 4 with a two-run opposite field home run on Wednesday.

 

What would it take to get Devers? Groome? Chavis? Houk? Oh wait.....

Edited July 20, 2017 by Nick