Red Sox Trade Deadline 2017 Thread

[Nick]

No doubt I am old and old fashioned as well, but when I waas brought up, no one would use foul language on communication and if you used it in front of a lady, someone would punch you out. I'm probably not supported in this view here, but would you please tone it down?

 

The word is a great word. You can use it in several ways. I'm using it to show my disgust for our offense. We are willing to give up prospectus and money to fill a position where we may have an in house solution.

 

If I can't show my anger for an organization that threw away $95m but at the same time won't pursue a cheaper option in house then it's time to leave this board.

 

You can always Not read my opinions. Put me on ignore.

[Spudboy]

I am not offended by the word f***.

[a700hitter]

Well its not like Holt has hit anyone either...

So, why would we need both of them? Holt can sub in the infield and outfield.

[OH FOY]

I would have liked to get Kahnle, couldn't believe he was included. He could be the gem in this Trade. Helps both teams. Edited July 19, 2017 by OH FOY!

[Station 13]

I've seen teams make trades for other positions then demote the current 4 or 5 hitter to the 5 and 6 slot, but not to trade for a replacement of your clean-up hitter all together as the way to boost your offensive productivity.

 

The idea seems absurd. (Not trading for a 1Bman, but keeping Moreland up 4th while looking for someone to replace him all together.)

 

 

Moreland is no longer a fit for clean up or 1B. Last 28 days: .189/.271/.324

 

Farrell stuck him there to see if he could return to form, but he has not. Yondo Alonso should be on their radar unless Hanley reject playing more 1B.

[jacksonianmarch]

We got a ton of value for the guys we dealt. We gave up talent, but all are blocked or have been passed in the pecking order of our deep system. Kahnle is the gem of the deal. He's got huge stuff with big strikeout capability and is under control for awhile. Robertson has been really good for awhile and protects Chap. Frazier has been great away from home and he's been really good since June 1. I like our deal, but I'm confused as to why we focused so hard on pen when our pen was already deep. We need starting pitching

[oldtimer]

No doubt I am old and old fashioned as well, but when I waas brought up, no one would use foul language on communication and if you used it in front of a lady, someone would punch you out. I'm probably not supported in this view here, but would you please tone it down?

 

The word is a great word. You can use it in several ways. I'm using it to show my disgust for our offense. We are willing to give up prospectus and money to fill a position where we may have an in house solution.

 

If I can't show my anger for an organization that threw away $95m but at the same time won't pursue a cheaper option in house then it's time to leave this board.

 

You can always Not read my opinions. Put me on ignore.

 

Its not your opinion that I find offensive but the wy you express it. I too am very frustrated with the play of the Sox. its the expression of the frustration that I find crude.

[cp176]

No need to panic here. The Yankess made a move - good for them. Bringing Frazier in for a couple of months is what we were looking at. Not worth the cost! If the Yankees and their fans think that this might push them over the top, good for them. To date, every move DD has made like them or not, can be justified. Some have worked out and some haven't. That is the way it goes. I am amazed at the number of people who have constantly preached patience here but yet have been willing to give up assets for a few months of potentially sub par offense. DD gets it - give him the time he needs.

[mvp 78]

Sometimes the best deals are the ones you don't make.

[cp176]

Sometimes the best deals are the ones you don't make.

 

that is the truth!!!

[mvp 78]

Would anyone go back in time and trade Betts in 2014 for a two month rental?

[Jack Flap]

I was up in the air about getting Frazier - fine with it if the price was reasonable, but also fine with moving on if it was not. Given that we saw another, much better rental bat (Martinez) dealt last night for an underwhelming return, there's every reason to suspect that Frazier alone would not have cost a lot -- but it also looks like the White Sox wanted to package him with Robertson and Kahnle to maximize the return, which they certainly did. Rutherford is a very good prospect. The Red Sox likely could not and should not have tried to match what the Yankees gave up here.

 

I'm not sure the "just stand pat and call up Devers" crowd should take too much encouragement from this, though. If the Red Sox really did want Frazier, I'm not sure what makes people think Dombrowski will just give up on making a trade after losing out on him. From reports last night, we're still considering a number of different names...if anything, I worry about us overreacting and doing something even more foolish out of a perceived need to "counter" what New York did. This isn't over yet...

[Bellhorn04]

Would anyone go back in time and trade Betts in 2014 for a two month rental?

 

No, but we were out of it in 2014.

[Jack Flap]

Jon Heyman‏Verified account @JonHeyman 9m9 minutes ago

red sox scouted 3 mets -- flores as well as asdrubal and (tj) rivera -- as 3b alternatives. lowrie, harrison, solarte also seen as in mix

[Bellhorn04]

I was up in the air about getting Frazier - fine with it if the price was reasonable, but also fine with moving on if it was not. Given that we saw another, much better rental bat (Martinez) dealt last night for an underwhelming return, there's every reason to suspect that Frazier alone would not have cost a lot -- but it also looks like the White Sox wanted to package him with Robertson and Kahnle to maximize the return, which they certainly did. Rutherford is a very good prospect. The Red Sox likely could not and should not have tried to match what the Yankees gave up here.

 

I'm not sure the "just stand pat and call up Devers" crowd should take too much encouragement from this, though. If the Red Sox really did want Frazier, I'm not sure what makes people think Dombrowski will just give up on making a trade after losing out on him. From reports last night, we're still considering a number of different names...if anything, I worry about us overreacting and doing something even more foolish out of a perceived need to "counter" what New York did. This isn't over yet...

 

Very true.

[jacksonianmarch]

You guys don't have to counter NY. We still didn't address our biggest deficiency which you guys have in spades. But we did just get better. I think I finally understand the rationale for going pen. Even with our SP woes, we've blown more saves than any team in baseball. We have 9 more blown saves than Boston and their surprising pen. Imagine if we just converted those 9? We'd be running away with the division. We got rid of the biggest culprit in Clippard. The guy hasn't pitched in a high leverage situation in a month and he had 5!

 

Granted, we just brought in Kahnle who has 4, but with the depth in this pen, we can afford to have two teams of bridges and closers and limit fatigue.

[Bellhorn04]

You guys don't have to counter NY. We still didn't address our biggest deficiency which you guys have in spades. But we did just get better. I think I finally understand the rationale for going pen. Even with our SP woes, we've blown more saves than any team in baseball. We have 9 more blown saves than Boston and their surprising pen. Imagine if we just converted those 9? We'd be running away with the division. We got rid of the biggest culprit in Clippard. The guy hasn't pitched in a high leverage situation in a month and he had 5!

 

Granted, we just brought in Kahnle who has 4, but with the depth in this pen, we can afford to have two teams of bridges and closers and limit fatigue.

 

Two teams of bridges and closers - unfortunately, this is probably where baseball is headed.

[jacksonianmarch]

We can shorten games to 4 innings if we have to, and assuming Betances and Chapman return to form

[jacksonianmarch]

Green, Warren, Kahnle, Robertson, Betances, Chapman. I guess 3 innings

[oldtimer]

Jon Heyman‏Verified account @JonHeyman 9m9 minutes ago

red sox scouted 3 mets -- flores as well as asdrubal and (tj) rivera -- as 3b alternatives. lowrie, harrison, solarte also seen as in mix

 

Solarte is on the disabled list but may be back soon enough to be of interest. He is low cost, hits in the 260's, has some power and has a mid 700s OPS. He even has option years and is someone we might actually get. I like the idea but it is one of several possibilities.

[mvp 78]

I was up in the air about getting Frazier - fine with it if the price was reasonable, but also fine with moving on if it was not. Given that we saw another, much better rental bat (Martinez) dealt last night for an underwhelming return, there's every reason to suspect that Frazier alone would not have cost a lot -- but it also looks like the White Sox wanted to package him with Robertson and Kahnle to maximize the return, which they certainly did. Rutherford is a very good prospect. The Red Sox likely could not and should not have tried to match what the Yankees gave up here.

 

I'm not sure the "just stand pat and call up Devers" crowd should take too much encouragement from this, though. If the Red Sox really did want Frazier, I'm not sure what makes people think Dombrowski will just give up on making a trade after losing out on him. From reports last night, we're still considering a number of different names...if anything, I worry about us overreacting and doing something even more foolish out of a perceived need to "counter" what New York did. This isn't over yet...

 

At the very least, it shows that they probably won't overpay for a rental.

[mvp 78]

No, but we were out of it in 2014.

 

It was just an example of how we could look back on a Devers deal in the future.

[illinoisredsox]

Moreland is no longer a fit for clean up or 1B. Last 28 days: .189/.271/.324

 

Farrell stuck him there to see if he could return to form, but he has not. Yondo Alonso should be on their radar unless Hanley reject playing more 1B.

 

Those numbers correspond with when he broke his toe. He's been trying to play through it, but it's not working. Travis was starting against most lefthanders and he wasn't hitting at all either (his slash line for the same 28 days is .192/.313/.230). Farrell stuck Moreland in there because of the utter futility of the rest of the line-up.

 

Moreland should not be hitting 4th, he should be in th 6-7 hole. That's where they envisioned him. He is, however, a streaky player (as he showed early in the season). I think that toe is bothering him a lot more than they are letting on.

 

I'm hard pressed to think of anyone on this team who should hit cleanup right now. Betts has been scuffling. Bogaerts has as well. Hanley has had brief 2-3 game stretches where he seems to be hammering the ball and then quickly morphs back into blah.

 

I asked you the other night who you would have batting 4th; you never answered. As I stated, right now, no one merits the spot. Unfortunately, they make you pencil somebody in.

[BstHcpr]

Green, Warren, Kahnle, Robertson, Betances, Chapman. I guess 3 innings

 

Yeah, that's a historically good bullpen. Shreve is pretty solid too.

Edited July 19, 2017 by BstHcpr

[notin]

You guys don't have to counter NY. We still didn't address our biggest deficiency which you guys have in spades. But we did just get better. I think I finally understand the rationale for going pen. Even with our SP woes, we've blown more saves than any team in baseball. We have 9 more blown saves than Boston and their surprising pen. Imagine if we just converted those 9? We'd be running away with the division. We got rid of the biggest culprit in Clippard. The guy hasn't pitched in a high leverage situation in a month and he had 5!

 

Granted, we just brought in Kahnle who has 4, but with the depth in this pen, we can afford to have two teams of bridges and closers and limit fatigue.

 

Not all blown saves are losses. In fact a team can get multiple blown saves in one game and still win...

[notin]

Jon Heyman‏Verified account @JonHeyman 9m9 minutes ago

red sox scouted 3 mets -- flores as well as asdrubal and (tj) rivera -- as 3b alternatives. lowrie, harrison, solarte also seen as in mix

 

Solarte is a very good player buried in the obscurity of San Diego. But I thought he was on the DL...

[moonslav59]

Those numbers correspond with when he broke his toe. He's been trying to play through it, but it's not working. Travis was starting against most lefthanders and he wasn't hitting at all either (his slash line for the same 28 days is .192/.313/.230). Farrell stuck Moreland in there because of the utter futility of the rest of the line-up.

 

That's just not true. HRam, JBJ and Beni all were hitting way better than Moreland in that stretch.

 

 

Moreland should not be hitting 4th, he should be in th 6-7 hole. That's where they envisioned him. He is, however, a streaky player (as he showed early in the season). I think that toe is bothering him a lot more than they are letting on.

 

I've been saying this for weeks.

 

 

 

I'm hard pressed to think of anyone on this team who should hit cleanup right now. Betts has been scuffling. Bogaerts has as well. Hanley has had brief 2-3 game stretches where he seems to be hammering the ball and then quickly morphs back into blah.

 

While maybe not perfect, HRam, JBJ, Betts or Beni would all be much better hitting 4th than Moreland. Even Young vs LHPs would be better.

 

 

I asked you the other night who you would have batting 4th; you never answered. As I stated, right now, no one merits the spot. Unfortunately, they make you pencil somebody in.

 

I have suggested HRam, JBJ or Beni. I'd choose Betts, but he seems to be JF's lead-off darling, although I'm not sure why.

 

Maybe HRam could bat 4th vs LHPs and 5th vs LHPs and JBJ or Beni could hit 4th vs RHPs.

 

Here are the last 28 game numbers:

 

HRam .889 (5 HRs in last 78 ABs) Perfect clean-up numbers!

Beni .884 (3 HRs in 75)

Pedey .868

Betts .846 (5 HRs in 97)

JBJ .774 (3 HRs in 90)

 

Team: .729

 

(Last 14 days: only Pedey is above HRam's .671 OPS.)

[Bellhorn04]

It was just an example of how we could look back on a Devers deal in the future.

 

Oh, I know...if Dombrowski traded Devers for a rental he'd be crucified...I don't think Devers is going anywhere.

[Kimmi]

No offense...Devers sits in minors......If he can't hit any better than what we go in majors right now, we might as well trade him.

 

what a bunch of f***ing idiots. if he fails, SO f***ING WHAT? Oh wait, we'll only score a run or two?

 

For your sake Nick, I really hope the Sox call up Devers soon.

 

He certainly has to be better offensively than what we have now.

 

I don't know how good his defense is. I know there is a lot of frustration with Marrero's offense, which I share along with everyone else, but our pitching has been really, really good. I wonder how much of that has to do with the improvement of the infield defense since Marrero started playing.

[Bellhorn04]

I have suggested HRam, JBJ or Beni. I'd choose Betts, but he seems to be JF's lead-off darling, although I'm not sure why.

 

 

Arguably, last night's 11th inning was an illustration of why you want Mookie in that leadoff spot.