What a Difference Big Papi Would Make in that Clubhuse---as Manager!

[bosoxmal]

David Ortiz should be brought out of retirement to mange this ball club. He would never sonsent to an "advisor" position. It would be undermining JF, and that would only make things worse. No, his eturn to, and prescence, in that clubhouse would bethe stroke that got this ship back on course.

[notin]

Well, for starters he'd probably kill every arm in the bullpen.

 

The idea of a guy with ZERO management experience doesn't suit me.

 

Although his ninth inning strategies would be awesome. "No I don't want you to bunt. Just go up there and hit a walk off home run. Got it? Walk. Off. Home. Run."

[StephenCurry30]

Yeah and lets have curt schilling GM, Manny Ramirez as the 1st base coach, Carl Everett as the bench coach and Salty as the hitting coach. f*** it

[bosoxmal]

Imagine this clubhouse if Big Papi walked into that clubhouse as manager. Someone who talked their language, and knew all there was to know about hitting. And I don't mean as a "player-manager". It might have a couple of years ago, but not nw. (Plus he's not a shortstop) He is, however, one of a kind!

[sk7326]

Funny

[bosoxmal]

Why? Because he speaks with an accent?

[illinoisredsox]

Bad idea:

 

1. There is far more to managing than being able to "light up a clubhouse". Baseball being an everyday sport, that will wear thin very quickly.

 

2. We have no idea if he can manage. He's never done it before. How does he handle a pitching staff, starters and pen?

 

3. As a recent retiree, he is waaaay too close to the current team. If he were going to or coming from another team, it MIGHT work. When 80% of your roster was his teammate 9 months ago, they aren't going to see him as a manager, they are going to see him as a teammate.

 

4. Why in the world would he WANT to manage? It is a thankless task where everything you do is criticized, and in Boston, that includes how you have a bowel movement (okay, I'm exaggerating a little bit here). He has a young son, doesn't he? I'm sure he wants to be around to see him play youth ball, etc. And at some point, he would have to be fired; almost all are.

 

I'll say the same thing I said when Varitek was the popular ex-Sox that people wanted to see as manager. Maybe someday, but not this soon.

[sk7326]

Bad idea:

 

1. There is far more to managing than being able to "light up a clubhouse". Baseball being an everyday sport, that will wear thin very quickly.

 

2. We have no idea if he can manage. He's never done it before. How does he handle a pitching staff, starters and pen?

 

3. As a recent retiree, he is waaaay too close to the current team. If he were going to or coming from another team, it MIGHT work. When 80% of your roster was his teammate 9 months ago, they aren't going to see him as a manager, they are going to see him as a teammate.

 

4. Why in the world would he WANT to manage? It is a thankless task where everything you do is criticized, and in Boston, that includes how you have a bowel movement (okay, I'm exaggerating a little bit here). He has a young son, doesn't he? I'm sure he wants to be around to see him play youth ball, etc. And at some point, he would have to be fired; almost all are.

 

I'll say the same thing I said when Varitek was the popular ex-Sox that people wanted to see as manager. Maybe someday, but not this soon.

 

All of this. Managing is really hard. Hell, simply being the Red Sox' press secretary (which is part of the job) would drive most people insane.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Seriously this needs to stop. You created this same thread a week ago and it got two replies. It's still on the front page, for gods sake. I'm merging them, and this is the last merge. From now on I'm straight-up deleting redundant or useless threads.

[Kimmi]

Seriously this needs to stop. You created this same thread a week ago and it got two replies. It's still on the front page, for gods sake. I'm merging them, and this is the last merge. From now on I'm straight-up deleting redundant or useless threads.

 

I know it's not my place to say (but I'm going to say anyway), that I completely agree with you about starting new threads at every whim. You have been more than generous in first asking posters not to do it, then in issuing reminders, then 'warnings'.

 

I say, 'Delete away'!

[Spudboy]

I know it's not my place to say (but I'm going to say anyway), that I completely agree with you about starting new threads at every whim. You have been more than generous in first asking posters not to do it, then in issuing reminders, then 'warnings'.

 

I say, 'Delete away'!

 

Don't we have a "Farrell" thread? That would seem to be the place to discuss potential replacements in the eventuality that Farrell is canned.

 

Seriously, Papi as manager is a cute and romantic idea and very little else. If Farrell is replaced I would like it to be by someone with coaching and managerial experience.

 

Ortiz, to my knowledge, has neither.

[Wade Boggs]

I think you have a better chance of Jason Varitek becoming manager.

[bosoxmal]

Yeah and lets have curt schilling GM, Manny Ramirez as the 1st base coach, Carl Everett as the bench coach and Salty as the hitting coach. f*** it

Not bad. But, I was leaning toward Pedro as the pitching coach. Schilling would be too busy selling stock in his newestventure.

[bosoxmal]

Seriously this needs to stop. You created this same thread a week ago and it got two replies. It's still on the front page, for gods sake. I'm merging them, and this is the last merge. From now on I'm straight-up deleting redundant or useless threads.

 

Yes, delete away! You won't have to compete with someone who has seen more, and knows more, about baseball than you ever will

 

(Make that, "put up with"!

[jad]

Yes, delete away! You won't have to compete with someone who has seen more, and knows more, about baseball than you ever will

 

(Make that, "put up with"!

 

Woa! Did SeabeachFred return?

[S5Dewey]

Really? is there where we are now?

 

At the risk of embarrassing him, let me tell everyone what I know about Bosoxmal. I've met him. He's a widower and a nanogenarian with a love for the Red Sox that goes back to before any of the rest of us were even born. He's seen players that most of us have only heard of. There's more, but that's as much as I'm going to embarrass him with.

 

I dunno... maybe I'm too 'old school', but I was raised to respect my elders and be considerate of them and even their situation. I may not always agree with Mal but I can at least respect his opinions because... well, just because.

 

Is the number of threads on the front page really more important than giving this elderly gentleman a chance to voice his opinions without being lectured about the rules here? As was said, a thread on the same topic was started a week ago with only a couple of replies. There's a reason it didn't get any traction - it's a topic most of us don't take seriously so not may of us responded to it. At the end of the day the 'new' thread as well as the 'old' one would fall to #10 or #15 on the front page where no one looks at it anyway. What's the big deal? Is it really all that inconvenient to have several ignored threads on basically the same topic at the bottom of the front page? Where nobody looks at it?

 

For God's sake, lighten up, Clarence.

[Maxbialystock]

Really? is there where we are now?

 

At the risk of embarrassing him, let me tell everyone what I know about Bosoxmal. I've met him. He's a widower and a nanogenarian with a love for the Red Sox that goes back to before any of the rest of us were even born. He's seen players that most of us have only heard of. There's more, but that's as much as I'm going to embarrass him with.

 

I dunno... maybe I'm too 'old school', but I was raised to respect my elders and be considerate of them and even their situation. I may not always agree with Mal but I can at least respect his opinions because... well, just because.

 

Is the number of threads on the front page really more important than giving this elderly gentleman a chance to voice his opinions without being lectured about the rules here? As was said, a thread on the same topic was started a week ago with only a couple of replies. There's a reason it didn't get any traction - it's a topic most of us don't take seriously so not may of us responded to it. At the end of the day the 'new' thread as well as the 'old' one would fall to #10 or #15 on the front page where no one looks at it anyway. What's the big deal? Is it really all that inconvenient to have several ignored threads on basically the same topic at the bottom of the front page? Where nobody looks at it?

 

For God's sake, lighten up, Clarence.

 

I personally like lots of different threads, even short-lived ones. It livens things up.

 

On the other hand, in the brief year I've been on talksox I've grown to accept their methodology. I'm pretty sure I've had more than one thread I started merged with another, and in the end I was fine with that. It is certainly better than the madness we sometimes saw on BDM and I saw on other non-baseball websites I have been to where random thoughts immediately become threads because people want their online voices heard above all others.

 

Moreover, I personally think the idea of Ortiz as manager is just nonsense. He was a great hitter and has a pretty good personality but has in now way prepared himself to manage for the simple reason that he doesn't have to put in the endless hours and days and months of even one season as an MLB manager. Ted Williams was one of the few stars who successfully managed, but most people agree he was always a student of the game, which Ortiz is not.

[Jack Flap]

Christ, here we go again.

[mvp 78]

He'd spend more time with the official scorer than actually managing. Pass.

[mvp 78]

Really? is there where we are now?

 

At the risk of embarrassing him, let me tell everyone what I know about Bosoxmal. I've met him. He's a widower and a nanogenarian with a love for the Red Sox that goes back to before any of the rest of us were even born. He's seen players that most of us have only heard of. There's more, but that's as much as I'm going to embarrass him with.

 

I dunno... maybe I'm too 'old school', but I was raised to respect my elders and be considerate of them and even their situation. I may not always agree with Mal but I can at least respect his opinions because... well, just because.

 

Is the number of threads on the front page really more important than giving this elderly gentleman a chance to voice his opinions without being lectured about the rules here? As was said, a thread on the same topic was started a week ago with only a couple of replies. There's a reason it didn't get any traction - it's a topic most of us don't take seriously so not may of us responded to it. At the end of the day the 'new' thread as well as the 'old' one would fall to #10 or #15 on the front page where no one looks at it anyway. What's the big deal? Is it really all that inconvenient to have several ignored threads on basically the same topic at the bottom of the front page? Where nobody looks at it?

 

For God's sake, lighten up, Clarence.

 

No one is embarrassing anyone. There was no disrespect levied towards bosoxmal. Just because someone is older doesn't mean they get treated differently. We respect EVERYONE on here even Yankees fans. There is a reason for the way the mods have set this site up. If it bothers anyone, they can go hang out on the other board where Pumpsie and Fred are.

[a700hitter]

The post was by YOTN was an overreaction, slightly condescending and pissy. Boxmal is a baseball treasure. I like having someone on the board who has seen Lefty Grove pitch. He hasn't caused any problems on the board. He should get some deference,

[mvp 78]

The post was by YOTN was an overreaction, slightly condescending and pissy. Boxmal is a baseball treasure. I like having someone on the board who has seen Lefty Grove pitch. He hasn't caused any problems on the board. He should get some deference,

 

Nah.

 

I thought you old guys don't like safe spaces?

[a700hitter]

Nah.

 

I thought you old guys don't like safe spaces?

We don't. I love hate speech especially about baseball.

[mvp 78]

I support all for hate speech directed at the 2001 Red Sox.

[illinoisredsox]

I personally like lots of different threads, even short-lived ones. It livens things up.

 

On the other hand, in the brief year I've been on talksox I've grown to accept their methodology. I'm pretty sure I've had more than one thread I started merged with another, and in the end I was fine with that. It is certainly better than the madness we sometimes saw on BDM and I saw on other non-baseball websites I have been to where random thoughts immediately become threads because people want their online voices heard above all others.

 

Moreover, I personally think the idea of Ortiz as manager is just nonsense. He was a great hitter and has a pretty good personality but has in now way prepared himself to manage for the simple reason that he doesn't have to put in the endless hours and days and months of even one season as an MLB manager. Ted Williams was one of the few stars who successfully managed, but most people agree he was always a student of the game, which Ortiz is not.

 

Not so sure I would say Ortiz isn't a student of the game. But Williams managed a decade or so AFTER he stopped playing, not a few months.

[Bellhorn04]

There are very few great players who become great managers.

[Maxbialystock]

Not so sure I would say Ortiz isn't a student of the game. But Williams managed a decade or so AFTER he stopped playing, not a few months.

 

That's true--Ortiz might have been and might be a student of the game. However, I am more confident Williams was because he actually managed for 3 years and one year was voted manager of the year in the AL with the Senators. Plus we know he was smart because he was a pilot in World II and Korea (where he apparently was John Glenn's wingman). He was not an ideal manager, however, because he was impatient, especially with pitchers.

[bosoxmal]

Not so sure I would say Ortiz isn't a student of the game. But Williams managed a decade or so AFTER he stopped playing, not a few months.

True. And I don't think he will go down in baseball history with McGraw, Frisch, and Casey Stengel! It's true that the better young managers came right off of being a Player-manger. Durocher, Boudreau, Cronin, etc. Cronin has been sullied a little as the Peewee Reese situation came to light. But the players liked him and he knew baseball. And Yawkey didn't rescue him from Washington because he was not liked or because he didn't know baseball. (Of course if my Grandmother had a lineuo that included hoem himself, plus Foxx, Williams m Doerr, rDiMaggio, Cramer, Vosmick, Chapman, et al, she could have won a few championships.

 

All that being said, baseball is not rocket science. It's getting the best day-to-day performance from the players handed you. Whether you put a guy in the 2-hole or the 8-hole makes little difference if he can't hit. And it doesn't take a brain surgeon to see the mess our 3rd basemen have been. The manager has to throw what he has in there and hope the ball is hit to Pedroia. The guy making the trades and drafting the young guys is the one who needs to "know his baseball".

 

For myself, I can just imagine Bradley coming to the dugout after a pitiful swing at a high fast baallm and Ortiz greeting him with, "

when are you going to learn to stop swinging at 100 mile an hour fastball up around our f***ing ears?"

 

Thanks. Dewey!!! Sorry I couldn't get a ST game this year. Maybe next year, because I'll be a resident of Barkley Place by then, and they run excurions. (Like in between Walmart and Publix!)

Edited May 16, 2017 by bosoxmal

[Spudboy]

True. And I don't think he will go down in baseball history with McGraw, Frisch, and Casey Stengel! It's trye, that the better young managers came right of of being a Player-manger. Durocher, Cronin, etc. Cronin has been sullied a little as the Peewee Reese situation came to light. But the players liked him and he knew baseball. And Yawkey didn't rescue him from Washington because he was not liked or because he didn't know baseball. (Of course if my Grandmother had a lineuo that included hoem himself, plus Foxx, Williams DiMaggio, Cramer, Vosnick, Chapman, et al, she could have won a few championships.

 

All that being said, baseball is not rocket scienceIt's getting the bet day-to-day performance from the players handed you. Whether you put a guy in the 2-hole or the 8-hole makes little difference if he can't hit. And it doesn't take brain surgeon to see the mess our 3rd basemen have been. The manager has to throw what he has in there and hope the ball is hit to Pedroia. The guy making the trades and drafting the young guys is the one who needs to "know his baseball".

 

Thanks. Dewey!!! Sorry I couldn't get a ST game this year. Maybe next year, because I'll be a resident of Barkley Place by then, and they run excurions. (Like in between Walmart and Publix!)

 

Hey don't take what Youk said personally. He has a lot of things going on and has little time to police this place. He is a really cool guy and fair as f***.

 

Keep posting. I love reading your stuff.

[a700hitter]

Hey don't take what Youk said personally. He has a lot of things going on and has little time to police this place. He is a really cool guy and fair as f***.

 

Keep posting. I love reading your stuff.

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