Should Jackie Bradley Jr be traded?

[Kimmi]

Yeah I agree. Pedrioa has to come back and play well all season and remain healthy with a healthy prognosis for next year and beyond.

 

Not going to happen.

 

I would not bet against Pedroia.

 

He will not likely be MVP Pedroia, but I think he will come back and be very good.

[moonslav59]

I would not bet against Pedroia.

 

He will not likely be MVP Pedroia, but I think he will come back and be very good.

 

MVP's Pedroia sucks!

 

(Get it?)

[Kimmi]

MVP's Pedroia sucks!

 

(Get it?)

 

Haha, I see what you did there.

[notin]

31 pages dedicated to getting rid of the ninth spot hitter because he hasn't been hitting for 7 games?

[cp176]

31 pages dedicated to getting rid of the ninth spot hitter because he hasn't been hitting for 7 games?

 

so start a new thread or not -

[Natick to NC]

Ok I've thought about this all day and unless it's a front end player and AA power bat no Bueno .

[SoxHop]

31 pages dedicated to getting rid of the ninth spot hitter because he hasn't been hitting for 7 games?

 

Check out his break out season month two years ago. Check out the game scores and who hit during those games. The whole team was just raking that month. I still don't know if it was crappy pitching or what, but JBJ was just pouring it on, not really winning games.

 

If you are the person who is paying JBJ, I'm be damned worried he doesn't have his one month where he finds it during the year.

[moonslav59]

Check out his break out season month two years ago. Check out the game scores and who hit during those games. The whole team was just raking that month. I still don't know if it was crappy pitching or what, but JBJ was just pouring it on, not really winning games.

 

If you are the person who is paying JBJ, I'm be damned worried he doesn't have his one month where he finds it during the year.

 

I did go back and look. Yess, he had 7 RBI in that 22-10 win over Seattle, but 3 games later he had 3 RBI in a 6-4 win and later he had 2 RBIs in 6-4 game and 3 RBI is a 7-6 win over TOR. He also had RBIs in close losses, 1 RBI in a 7-5 win that put us ahead 4-2.

 

In 2016, he had 6 RBI in a 14-7 win and 2 in an 8-7 win vs TEX. Later, he had 1 RBI in an 6-5 win vs TB.

 

During last year's hot streak at the end of May and early June, he did this...

 

4RBI in 13-7 win

1 RBI in 2-3 loss

2 RBI in 7-3 win

3RBI in 5-3 win

Then, after the team scored 3 runs in 3 games, he had ...

2 RBI in a 6-5 win

2 RBI the next day in a 4-2 loss

 

Ithink we'd all love to see more consistency from JBJ. I'm not defending his slumps, but sometimes a hot player can carry a team through a few games, and wins are wins.

 

 

 

[notin]

Check out his break out season month two years ago. Check out the game scores and who hit during those games. The whole team was just raking that month. I still don't know if it was crappy pitching or what, but JBJ was just pouring it on, not really winning games.

 

If you are the person who is paying JBJ, I'm be damned worried he doesn't have his one month where he finds it during the year.

 

He still contributes when he isn't at the plate. And, yes, I think his defense does make up for even his worst offensive stretches. I know it's easy to take his play in CF for granted and assume it doesn't make up for an 0 for 4. But that also could mean you're overestimating the importance of 4 plate appearances against being on thr field for 30-35 plays...

[oldtimer]

He still contributes when he isn't at the plate. And, yes, I think his defense does make up for even his worst offensive stretches. I know it's easy to take his play in CF for granted and assume it doesn't make up for an 0 for 4. But that also could mean you're overestimating the importance of 4 plate appearances against being on thr field for 30-35 plays...

 

You have to look at his defense against the defense of a sub we would likely put in should he be traded and we needed a sub for the entire season. We would have either Beni or perhaps a solid replacement from outside. While JBJ is aqn excellent defensive outfielder, the difference in runs saved might be smaller than he is being given credit for while a new players offense might more than offset the defensive gain. Otherwise we would need someone to compare against for equivalent money.

[Nick]

You have to look at his defense against the defense of a sub we would likely put in should he be traded and we needed a sub for the entire season. We would have either Beni or perhaps a solid replacement from outside. While JBJ is aqn excellent defensive outfielder, the difference in runs saved might be smaller than he is being given credit for while a new players offense might more than offset the defensive gain. Otherwise we would need someone to compare against for equivalent money.

 

Excellent point. It's the delta. If we trade him, it's not like we have to play with only two outfielders. Assuming it's true that we don't lose much by moving Beni over, than the real question is how good of left fielder fills in for 'Beni'.

 

Left field defense should be easier to replace. Impact is negated further with an offensive left fielder.

[Bellhorn04]

Talk of trading JBJ during the 2018 season is crazy talk. Talking about it after the 2018 season has some validity.

[Nick]

Talk of trading JBJ during the 2018 season is crazy talk. Talking about it after the 2018 season has some validity.

 

I don't want to trade him. But we can talk about 2018 off season, no?

[Bellhorn04]

I don't want to trade him. But we can talk about 2018 off season, no?

 

Absolutely, if that's what we're talking about it makes sense.

[mvp 78]

Talk of trading JBJ during the 2018 season is crazy talk. Talking about it after the 2018 season has some validity.

 

I agree. Without a CF replacement, I’m not sure it’s beneficial to move him.

[Jack Flap]

I agree. Without a CF replacement, I’m not sure it’s beneficial to move him.

 

Just for the sake of argument:

 

LF - Martinez

CF - Benintendi

RF - Betts

DH - Ramirez

1B - Moreland

 

Not saying I'd support that (being the JBJ fanboy that I am), but you could probably come up with a scenario where it works.

[FredLynn]

Just for the sake of argument:

 

LF - Martinez

CF - Benintendi

RF - Betts

DH - Ramirez

1B - Moreland

 

Not saying I'd support that (being the JBJ fanboy that I am), but you could probably come up with a scenario where it works.

 

The problem with this idea is that Benintendi is not going to play every game, and if he gets injured or needs a day off, who then plays CF? Betts might be able to do it, but his job is RF. If Bradley continues to look awful (.120/.414) at the plate, they are going to have to address it, eventually.

[iortiz]

The problem with this idea is that Benintendi is not going to play every game, and if he gets injured or needs a day off, who then plays CF? Betts might be able to do it, but his job is RF. If Bradley continues to look awful (.120/.414) at the plate, they are going to have to address it, eventually.

I’d push for Blackmon in the FA.

[mvp 78]

I’d push for Blackmon in the FA.

 

He just signed an extension

[moonslav59]

I'm just glad JBJ is oh- for on a day when we score 10 runs; otherwise, he'd be bashed for hitting when we don't need it.

[S5Dewey]

You have to look at his defense against the defense of a sub we would likely put in should he be traded and we needed a sub for the entire season. We would have either Beni or perhaps a solid replacement from outside. While JBJ is aqn excellent defensive outfielder, the difference in runs saved might be smaller than he is being given credit for while a new players offense might more than offset the defensive gain. Otherwise we would need someone to compare against for equivalent money.

 

But you also have to take into consideration that in order to move Beni to CF we'd have to put someone in LF who isn't as strong defensively as Beni is there.. In essence it weakens the defense in two positions in order to gain offense in one position.

[moonslav59]

But you also have to take into consideration that in order to move Beni to CF we'd have to put someone in LF who isn't as strong defensively as Beni is there.. In essence it weakens the defense in two positions in order to gain offense in one position.

 

Yes, and for who? Moreland? Swihart?

 

I can see when Pedey returns, putting Nunez in LF might make the choice closer, but JBJ should play for at least a month or two more, before deciding something so rash.

[dgalehouse]

The question really cannot be answered without knowing who you would get in return. Surely, you would not trade him just for the sake of trading him.

[jacksonianmarch]

I honestly think JBJ goes for a mid rotation starter. It makes the most sense. You have an internal replacement in JD and outfielders are far cheaper than pitchers.

[notin]

You have to look at his defense against the defense of a sub we would likely put in should he be traded and we needed a sub for the entire season. We would have either Beni or perhaps a solid replacement from outside. While JBJ is aqn excellent defensive outfielder, the difference in runs saved might be smaller than he is being given credit for while a new players offense might more than offset the defensive gain. Otherwise we would need someone to compare against for equivalent money.

 

You make it sound like his defense is so easily replaced. Benintendi is nowhere near the same level of defense. Really, it would have to be someone from the outside if you want to improve the position. How do you suppose the Sox acquire that player?

 

Internally? There isn't much. Rusney Castillo has shown himself to be a talented defender, but his offense has been sporadic in limited tries in MLB. But more important, he has also shown to be a reckless defender with a tendency to injure himself. And beyond him, the Sox don't have much else in the way of capable outfield depth, especially if your primary concern is offense.

 

According to Fangraphs, from 2015 to 2017, only 7 centerfielders played better defense than Bradley and his 19.3 dWAR. Of those 7, only Lorenzo Cain provided more oWAR. AJ Pollock did provide slightly less defense and a significantly larger offensive contribution, but both players also tallied exactly the same 9.4 fWAR. (While Pollock did so in 300 fewer plate appearances, the margin for improvement might still not be as much as people think.)

 

Now the Sox did pass on the chance to trade Bradley and his .467 OPS to the Dodgers for Yasiel Puig and his .476 OPS. Would THAT deal have made everyone happy? Are we .009 OPS points away from being satisfied?

 

It's not broken. Ride out his slump and realize that even if Bradley was posting an OPS over 1.400, the Sox would not be much better than 7-1 right now....

[notin]

He just signed an extension

 

Not to mention, Blackmon has a career .971 OPS in Coors and a .750 OPS everywhere else. So unless the Sox move to Denver, how much of an improvement is Blackmon over Bradley and his career .723 OPS?

[notin]

The question really cannot be answered without knowing who you would get in return. Surely, you would not trade him just for the sake of trading him.

 

Exactly.

 

But the gist of this thread seems to be just to unload him.

[moonslav59]

I'm one of JBJs biggest and longest running supporters. I'd love to see him play here for a long time.

 

That being said, I can understand the theory behind trading him, if we needed a SP'er, but we don't. ERod and Pom are due back real soon, and last I checked our SP'er ERA leads MLB.

 

Our infield defense is already sketchy enough. Don't mess up the OF defense and make our pitchers work even harder to get the outs they deserve getting.

 

JD or Nunez with Swihart/Moreland/Holt in reserve does constitute "internal replacement" as jacko said, and by the time Pedey returns, maybe we'll need a SP'er, but for right now, JBJ should stay right where he is: batting 9th and dominating CF on defense.

 

Just my opinion.

 

[jacksonianmarch]

I don’t think anyone expects JBJ to be dealt in season. Any moves would be in the off season

[OH FOY]

150 At bats, and get back to me. Relax. 2 weeks into season, holy smokes. And I have been hard on him.