Farrell

[SoxnCycles]

Is there a bigger bunch of snowflakes than Boston sportswriters?

 

Evidently, yes. A bunch of Red Sox players.

[Emp9]

More anonymous sources. Good stuff.

 

I really dig Farrell's quote: "At the time when we did meet, which was down in Texas, as I mentioned, and then again in the ballpark there,” Farrell said. “I’m aware that people reached out to him the morning after the incident when we were headed in to Toronto. So, knowing that that was in place, you know, I followed with my conversations with Eck as I’ve always done. They’ve been cordial, there’s been professional respect on both side and I think my relationship with him is positive in a professional way.”

 

Farrell is the worst. What a lump of nothing. So much word salad.

 

Did Farrell have a stroke nobody knew about? It would help explain the incoherent word salad.

 

And the line-ups he's thrown out there all season long.

 

Not to be insensitive but it's reminiscent of John McCain's "Grilling" of Jeff Sessions two months ago. It wasn't a stroke but it was brain cancer. My advice to Farrell is to take advantage of the great medical care he has access to because something could have spread.

[mvp 78]

I know one of you posted about this before, I'm not sure who. And I did in the game thread. But when I really started to think something was wrong was when Mookie ran threw Butters sign at third to hold up at third. Mookie kept running and was out by a mile.

 

As a player, I'd never not do what the thirdbase coach was telling me. And in this case, we have an extended veteran coach getting shown up by a younger player.

 

And after the play they showed Mookie laughing it up in right. So he never got chewed out, or if he did, he didn't care.

 

Something about that whole situation struck me odd.

 

Yup, take your lumps, be a manager and bench a guy when they don't do the right thing. That's how you get Hanley from trying to stretch everything to a double.

[mvp 78]

https://www.overthemonster.com/2017/7/28/16055264/the-friday-fire-farrell-index-things-get-very-bleak-very-fast-groan

 

To be clear, this players first approach — can have some unfortunate consequences in the bruised-ego department. We’re way past that now. The largely undisputed play-by-play of Price et. al’s confrontation with NESN’s Dennis Eckersley paints the team a bunch of spoiled *******s, and Farrell’s response effectively makes it plain that either his hands or tied or he simply doesn’t care, or, most likely, some combination of both...

 

Without a clear obvious player representative in the clubhouse and without manager inclined to even aspire to it, small beefs have been blown up to maniacal proportions as a perverse team-building exercise.

[cp176]

https://www.overthemonster.com/2017/7/28/16055264/the-friday-fire-farrell-index-things-get-very-bleak-very-fast-groan

 

To be clear, this players first approach — can have some unfortunate consequences in the bruised-ego department. We’re way past that now. The largely undisputed play-by-play of Price et. al’s confrontation with NESN’s Dennis Eckersley paints the team a bunch of spoiled *******s, and Farrell’s response effectively makes it plain that either his hands or tied or he simply doesn’t care, or, most likely, some combination of both...

 

Without a clear obvious player representative in the clubhouse and without manager inclined to even aspire to it, small beefs have been blown up to maniacal proportions as a perverse team-building exercise.

 

So very accurate and with the right person in charge such an easy fix. Sorry Johnny - it ain't you babe. The inmates are officially in charge.

[Bellhorn04]

I am so on board the Fire Farrell wagon now.

[mvp 78]

I am so on board the Fire Farrell wagon now.

 

Yup, results matter.

[notin]

I was nevrr a huge Farrell fan, and most fans think a 3 game losing streak or one blown bullpen lead is not only adequate grounds for firing a manager, it's a necessary reaction.

 

But Farrell may have run his course. However simply firing him does nothing unless the next guy is actually better, and that is absolutely not a given. So who are the potential replacements?

[mvp 78]

I was nevrr a huge Farrell fan, and most fans think a 3 game losing streak or one blown bullpen lead is not only adequate grounds for firing a manager, it's a necessary reaction.

 

But Farrell may have run his course. However simply firing him does nothing unless the next guy is actually better, and that is absolutely not a given. So who are the potential replacements?

The bench coach is Gary Disarcina. He previously managed some of these guys in Pawtucket. He'd wouldn't be any worse than Farrell.

[notin]

The bench coach is Gary Disarcina. He previously managed some of these guys in Pawtucket. He'd wouldn't be any worse than Farrell.

 

"Not worse" is hardly inspiring and reason for a change. Farrell himself would also be "not worse" than Farrell.

 

Who would be better? Without getting better, there is no reason to make a change....

[oldtimer]

I was nevrr a huge Farrell fan, and most fans think a 3 game losing streak or one blown bullpen lead is not only adequate grounds for firing a manager, it's a necessary reaction.

 

But Farrell may have run his course. However simply firing him does nothing unless the next guy is actually better, and that is absolutely not a given. So who are the potential replacements?

 

To me, it is not so much about whether Farrell is a good guy or bad guy but about whether the team is playing up to expectations. Clearly it has not since the All Star break so he has to take some responsibility for that. There are also some players that also should be considered as disappointments. Is it their attitude. Need to find who those are and make changes.

[Bellhorn04]

A lot of guys underperforming, poor fundamentals, and apparent lacks of leadership and responsibility.

[Kimmi]

I'm not sure if I'm on the Fire Farrell bandwagon yet, but I do agree that there is reason to question his leadership.

 

Keep in mind, however, that this is the same team and manager that looked very good from June 12 to July 4 and went from 4 games down to 4 games up in the division during that span. As the saying goes, a team is never as bad as it looks when things are going bad.

 

We've had a terrible month. Things will get better.

[dgalehouse]

Farrell is not doing a good job no matter how you slice it. Probably too late in the season to make a change now , but it still might be worth a shot.

[Kimmi]

Farrell is not doing a good job no matter how you slice it. Probably too late in the season to make a change now , but it still might be worth a shot.

 

Perhaps not, but when the team was on a good run, opinions of Farrell were much different.

[OH FOY]

For the Month of July Bogaerts is hitting .132, why is he playing? That's a whole Month.

[notin]

Perhaps not, but when the team was on a good run, opinions of Farrell were much different.

 

It's part of the age old adage "A manager is only as good as his bullpen. "

[OH FOY]

It's part of the age old adage "A manager is only as good as his bullpen. "

 

Bingo. Yanks are Pitching Caleb Smith today after taking over 1st, when asked, Girardi said hope we can get 5 good innings from the kid.

Then hand it over. Giradi is not afraid to go 2 innings with a Reliever to save his BP for tomorrow, He's a smart Manager.

Edited July 29, 2017 by OH FOY!

[Bellhorn04]

There's nothing wrong with the Sox bullpen though.

[mvp 78]

Need more power this offseason.

[Spudboy]

Perhaps not, but when the team was on a good run, opinions of Farrell were much different.

 

I don't thinks so. The opinions were probably unchanged.

 

It's probably just a matter of detractors keeping silent while the team was winning a few games.

 

Once the team started to tank it became game on for criticizing Farrell.

 

Fair or unfair, that is how it goes.

[Spudboy]

There's nothing wrong with the Sox bullpen though.

 

Yes.

[Spudboy]

Need more power this offseason.

 

Yes.

[dgalehouse]

It's part of the age old adage "A manager is only as good as his bullpen. "

 

Is the Sox problem the bullpen or the manager ? I don't think the jury would be out very long on that one. Verdict : This manager is not nearly as good as his bullpen.

Edited July 29, 2017 by dgalehouse

[cp176]

I don't thinks so. The opinions were probably unchanged.

 

It's probably just a matter of detractors keeping silent while the team was winning a few games.

 

Once the team started to tank it became game on for criticizing Farrell.

 

Fair or unfair, that is how it goes.

 

Winning is the easy part. True character tends to come out when things don't go as planned - as in losing. Many of us have questioned from the beginning the leadership that John Farrell has provided. When things go well, leadership is an attribute that can easily get overlooked. When you are losing, you better have someone tough enough to keep a lid on all of the bad things that can come up. John Farrell seems like a good person- a good man I guess. When you are the leader, you sometimes have to be the bad guy. He strikes me like the parent whose child can never make mistakes. It is not an easy job but it is a job that has to be done. It is not simply a player's responsibility to put out all of the little brush fires that can erupt. Every now and then, even adults need to be disciplined.

[moonslav59]

Winning is the easy part. True character tends to come out when things don't go as planned - as in losing. Many of us have questioned from the beginning the leadership that John Farrell has provided. When things go well, leadership is an attribute that can easily get overlooked. When you are losing, you better have someone tough enough to keep a lid on all of the bad things that can come up. John Farrell seems like a good person- a good man I guess. When you are the leader, you sometimes have to be the bad guy. He strikes me like the parent whose child can never make mistakes. It is not an easy job but it is a job that has to be done. It is not simply a player's responsibility to put out all of the little brush fires that can erupt. Every now and then, even adults need to be disciplined.

 

Well said, cp. I agree 100%.

 

Our brush fire could become a full blown forest fire, if we don't get are act together very soon.

[oldtimer]

Winning is the easy part. True character tends to come out when things don't go as planned - as in losing. Many of us have questioned from the beginning the leadership that John Farrell has provided. When things go well, leadership is an attribute that can easily get overlooked. When you are losing, you better have someone tough enough to keep a lid on all of the bad things that can come up. John Farrell seems like a good person- a good man I guess. When you are the leader, you sometimes have to be the bad guy. He strikes me like the parent whose child can never make mistakes. It is not an easy job but it is a job that has to be done. It is not simply a player's responsibility to put out all of the little brush fires that can erupt. Every now and then, even adults need to be disciplined.

 

Whether he is a good guy or not, it will be the performance of the team versus expectations which will determine if JF returns next season. I hope the team can right itself and make the playoffs but based on the disarray I am seeing, I truly doubt it.

[cp176]

Hey - question for you - seriously who hired this guy Farrell anyway? Who in the hell was the GM that hired this guy? lol

[a700hitter]

Hey - question for you - seriously who hired this guy Farrell anyway? Who in the hell was the GM that hired this guy? lol

Bennie Boy

[jad]

So he couldn't persuade the puberty stricken Price to keep his mouth shut rather than continuing to call Eck out? (Apparently, those here who want this story to end disagree with Mr. Price.)