Sox hitting??

[cp176]

I was a hockey nut when I was a kid. Bobby Hull was my favorite player and the Hawks were my team. Then old Bobby started up his own freakin' league, the WHA, and never played in the NHL again. That really soured me on hockey.

 

My Canadian friend Cameron grew up watching Mr. Orr play the game. In his opinion there is absolutely no question who the greatest of all time was - Bobby Orr.

[Bellhorn04]

My Canadian friend Cameron grew up watching Mr. Orr play the game. In his opinion there is absolutely no question who the greatest of all time was - Bobby Orr.

 

There's no question that Bobby Orr is the consensus pick as the greatest of all time. Followed by Gordie Howe and then probably Gretzky. Sidney Crosby is moving up the list. The man is a beast - a rare combination of high skills, brute strength and smarts.

[dgalehouse]

Fair enough point that doubles and home runs will score more runs than singles, but OBP still correlates with scoring runs better than SLG does. The point being, you have to get on base first, which our team is doing at a good clip.

 

Okay , but OBP encompasses everything positive. A walk or a single may or may not lead to a run. Even two singles. A home run is at least one run for sure. But either way it all shows up good on your OBP. It is harder to score runs without some slugging .

[Bellhorn04]

Home runs are great. They're also relatively rare. When you keep getting guys on base some of them going to score just by accident. Singles, walks, hit by pitch, steals, errors, wild pitches, passed balls, productive outs, sacrifice flies. And of course extra-base hits work too. It's all good, as they say.

[Kimmi]

Okay , but OBP encompasses everything positive. A walk or a single may or may not lead to a run. Even two singles. A home run is at least one run for sure. But either way it all shows up good on your OBP. It is harder to score runs without some slugging .

 

I agree that it is easier to score runs with slugging than without it, OBP being relatively the same. OPS has a stronger correlation to run scoring than either OBP or SLG, which obviously makes sense.

[Kimmi]

Home runs are great. They're also relatively rare. When you keep getting guys on base some of them going to score just by accident. Singles, walks, hit by pitch, steals, errors, wild pitches, passed balls, productive outs, sacrifice flies. And of course extra-base hits work too. It's all good, as they say.

 

OBP, or avoidance of outs, is still king, be it singles, walks, or doubles.

[dgalehouse]

I agree that it is easier to score runs with slugging than without it, OBP being relatively the same. OPS has a stronger correlation to run scoring than either OBP or SLG, which obviously makes sense.

 

So many stats are around these days. Sometimes they become redundant. OPS is just a stat that someone created by combining OBP and SLP. The problem is that it gives credit for the same thing twice. And it gives exactly equal status to OB

P and SLP . Player " A " leads off and homers. One run scores. But you could say that his OBP led to the run . One can always play around with numbers. As a rule , extra base hits are more likely to produce runs. The Sox have been a good example of that so far this year. As their power numbers increase , so will their runs scored.

[notin]

Okay , but OBP encompasses everything positive. A walk or a single may or may not lead to a run. Even two singles. A home run is at least one run for sure. But either way it all shows up good on your OBP. It is harder to score runs without some slugging .

 

 

The main reason OBP correlates better to scoring is that the sheer quantity of baserunners greatly outnumbered the number of, say, home runs.

 

Slugging is great, but if you look at the data you will see OBP is king when it comes to scoring.

[a700hitter]

And Big Papi had the highest OBP on the 2016 team. He has always been a high OBP guy. He was replaced with a low career OBP guy in Moreland.

 

Edit: Any way you slice it, losing Ortiz will be a major hit to our run production.

Edited May 1, 2017 by a700hitter

[dgalehouse]

The main reason OBP correlates better to scoring is that the sheer quantity of baserunners greatly outnumbered the number of, say, home runs.

 

Slugging is great, but if you look at the data you will see OBP is king when it comes to scoring.

 

It is not a question of slugging vs. OBP. Slugging is a part of OBP. A home run also credits your OBP. The point is that you will score more runs with extra base hits.

[notin]

It is not a question of slugging vs. OBP. Slugging is a part of OBP. A home run also credits your OBP. The point is that you will score more runs with extra base hits.

 

Yes. But you get fewer. Every tesm does.

 

SLG is great. But history hss shown that scoring is more dependant on OBP.

 

Probably because it helps to have guys on base when you rap tjose XBH

[Nick]

In last night's game, we had 3 consecutive singles and still had not scored.

 

I'm not sure how to check it, but April 2017 seems to had more 0 run innings than in the past. Big part I believe is our scoring is too dependent on stringing together 3 hits/walk in an inning. And that's due to lack of power hitting.

[cp176]

In last night's game, we had 3 consecutive singles and still had not scored.

 

I'm not sure how to check it, but April 2017 seems to had more 0 run innings than in the past. Big part I believe is our scoring is too dependent on stringing together 3 hits/walk in an inning. And that's due to lack of power hitting.

 

it's all good that so many people are finding ways to enjoy the game theses days. Seems to be a statistic for virtually everything. Personally a lot of overdose and redundancy for me - not a criticism so don't go unhinged on me. To be a championship team usually it takes a good blend of everything to get it done. if everybody is back and healthy with respect to our pitching, we very well might be good enough but if everybody does not return we will need some power help in the middle of that lineup. Based on what I have seen so far, I'm really not overjoyed by Moreland's play at first base either. Hanley "looked" better last year.

[Maxbialystock]

Home runs are great. They're also relatively rare. When you keep getting guys on base some of them going to score just by accident. Singles, walks, hit by pitch, steals, errors, wild pitches, passed balls, productive outs, sacrifice flies. And of course extra-base hits work too. It's all good, as they say.

 

You just described Sunday night's win over the Cubs. 3 singles, a K by Betts, then the deluge of wild pitch, error, you name it, to bring in 4 big runs. The Sox took 2 of 3 despite errors, bad base running, and not that much hitting.

[cp176]

You just described Sunday night's win over the Cubs. 3 singles, a K by Betts, then the deluge of wild pitch, error, you name it, to bring in 4 big runs. The Sox took 2 of 3 despite errors, bad base running, and not that much hitting.

 

Curious about which would be more unusual, a homerun or the mistakes made by the Cubs? If I was presented with a choice, I would prefer that rare homer as opposed to banking on our opponents throwing away the game. I'm not disappointed, a win is a win but it is going to take a much better blend of hitting to win a title.

[oldtimer]

I understand the Sox have decided to go with Vazquez as the primary catcher, moving Leon to a backup role. That move makes sense for now and agrees with one of the movess I had suggested. Now bringing back Ortiz as a clubhouse presence (not to play) in some form might give motivation to some players. Don't know how to get JBJ going as he still has hitting flaws that he hasn't addressed.

 

The elements are on the team, we just need help at third and maybe from center to get more runs going.

[Nick]

As we close April, Moreland is 1st in AL in OPS, Dustin is 10th at 2nd Base and Xander is 5th at SS. At $5M, Moreland thus far has done his job. (although he doesn't look to be a Gold Grover)

 

I think we were spoiled last April because so many players got off to a hot start.

[Bellhorn04]

You just described Sunday night's win over the Cubs. 3 singles, a K by Betts, then the deluge of wild pitch, error, you name it, to bring in 4 big runs. The Sox took 2 of 3 despite errors, bad base running, and not that much hitting.

 

Yes, that rally made my post look pretty good.

[moonslav59]

In last night's game, we had 3 consecutive singles and still had not scored.

 

I'm not sure how to check it, but April 2017 seems to had more 0 run innings than in the past. Big part I believe is our scoring is too dependent on stringing together 3 hits/walk in an inning. And that's due to lack of power hitting.

 

They should have sent Marco. We're the only team in the league that doesn't score on those types of hits more than 80% of the time (by my estimation).

[moonslav59]

I understand the Sox have decided to go with Vazquez as the primary catcher, moving Leon to a backup role. That move makes sense for now and agrees with one of the movess I had suggested. Now bringing back Ortiz as a clubhouse presence (not to play) in some form might give motivation to some players. Don't know how to get JBJ going as he still has hitting flaws that he hasn't addressed.

 

The elements are on the team, we just need help at third and maybe from center to get more runs going.

 

Makes sense.

 

Imagine what Leon's numbers would look like had he not had a great first few games!

[Emp9]

They should have sent Marco. We're the only team in the league that doesn't score on those types of hits more than 80% of the time (by my estimation).

 

Yes, I think he would have made it easily. They're playing cautious and in the end it did work out but maybe a little too cautious.

[Bellhorn04]

They should have sent Marco. We're the only team in the league that doesn't score on those types of hits more than 80% of the time (by my estimation).

 

I wonder how much that has to do with Fenway's short left field.

[Station 13]

I wonder how much that has to do with Fenway's short left field.

 

The ball was hit to RF. Must score on that. Why isn't this team running more?

[Emp9]

I wonder how much that has to do with Fenway's short left field.

 

I think that particular play was RF, but I agree, that wall loves to take away XBH and has already played a part in doing so this season. Of course it does the same to opposing teams as well.

[moonslav59]

I wonder how much that has to do with Fenway's short left field.

But, that's made up for by the huge RF, and last night hit was a blooper down the line in RF. My guess is all but the Sox would have sent the runner on that play.

 

I've seen too many bases loaded- no out and no runs scored by the Sox to not send Marco.

[Emp9]

I understand the Sox have decided to go with Vazquez as the primary catcher, moving Leon to a backup role. That move makes sense for now and agrees with one of the movess I had suggested. Now bringing back Ortiz as a clubhouse presence (not to play) in some form might give motivation to some players. Don't know how to get JBJ going as he still has hitting flaws that he hasn't addressed.

 

The elements are on the team, we just need help at third and maybe from center to get more runs going.

 

Vaz is fully healthy at present, so I'll give him the slight edge over Leon on defense. If both aren't hitting, I'll take Vaz. I don't mind switching back and forth all season long though between the two. Play the matchups if there are any notable ones to be found. Keep the both well rested and ready.

[oldtimer]

They should have sent Marco. We're the only team in the league that doesn't score on those types of hits more than 80% of the time (by my estimation).

 

I agree. Don't know why he held as he was at least a third of the way to the plate before he turned around.

[Emp9]

Betts and Hanley coming up with no outs, I can see why they thought it would be wise to play it safe. It did work out, not the way I would want it to, but the end justifies the means in some cases. If the wild pitch doesn't happen, I still think there's a good chance they still walk HanRam with bases loaded thus scoring Marco.

[notin]

I agree. Don't know why he held as he was at least a third of the way to the plate before he turned around.

 

I am ok with holding Hernandez there.

 

Why test Jason Hayward, one of the best arms in MLB, in the eighth inning of a tie game and Betts and Ramirez due up with the bases loaded and no one out? You're only looking for one run at that point and you get that even if Betts (somehow) ground into a double play.

 

There's a time and place fir aggressive baserunning. I am not to sure that was it. ..

[notin]

Vaz is fully healthy at present, so I'll give him the slight edge over Leon on defense. If both aren't hitting, I'll take Vaz. I don't mind switching back and forth all season long though between the two. Play the matchups if there are any notable ones to be found. Keep the both well rested and ready.

 

I do expect Vazquez to jump Leon on the depth chart at some point in the very near future. ..