SOB factor

[Kimmi]

Big butts are not necessarily a bad thing, BTW.

 

Neither are soft hands.

[cp176]

Right. Because players who play hard only do so at key times. Probably why no one ever sees Pedroia dive for a two out ground ball with no one on base in May. Oh wait.

 

Or maybe the anti-stat crowd is a bunch of former high school players who think thst because they played at this "elite" level, their experiences there qualify them to speak as the equivalent of major leaguers.

 

did i start this? It really wasn't meant to be anti-anything. Judging from the reaction, if you aren't all in with respect to having blind faith in most things analytical, it means you don't believe that analytics play a significant role in today's game? That is a wrong take but whatever floats your boat. I don't think that I would say anyone posting here is 100% anti-stat.

[mvp 78]

Big butts are not necessarily a bad thing, BTW.

 

The bigger the better.

[Spudboy]

My Man!

[a700hitter]

Nor did they call him a dirt dog. He was ... 'colorful'.

Maybe you didn't see his game 4 performance of the 1975 World Series. Lots of terms like grit and guts were used. He was also known as a crafty pitcher when he reinvented himself with the Red Sox.

[a700hitter]

You did have another sentence in your post. Something about statheads and their soft hands and big butts.

 

Very poorly deflected....

I still don't get your point, and your term "anti-stat" not only doesn't apply to a "crowd", it doesn't describe anyone. Edited April 23, 2017 by a700hitter

[cp176]

Hope I'm wrong about this. I have felt this for awhile about our position players. "they look so good on paper". I keep hoping that Betts, Bogaerts or anybody else might step up and play with just a little nastiness. you need more that Pedroia and a guy who plays every fifth day.

[sk7326]

I've wondered about this for awhile now. Is this team tough enough to do what it says they should do "on paper" at least? I think that Pedroia gets it as does Sale I'm pretty sure. It is a tough game and more often then not you need some tough guys to help you win.

 

the team is 10-8 despite a fairly solid schedule, some significant injury and illness issues - and the bats not waking up. That sounds like "toughness" to me.

[Bellhorn04]

It's not the team's toughness I'm concerned about right now, it's the hitting, especially the pop. Our offense has been absolutely anemic. 1 guy with more than 1 home run - and that's Pablo of all people.

[notin]

I still don't get your point, and your term "anti-stat" not only doesn't apply to a "crowd", it doesn't describe anyone.

 

Stop it. You're very weak.

 

If I typed "anti-stathead" instead would you be less confused? Does the term stathead confuse you? If so, stop using it.

 

It's odd you suddenly have derogatory comments on stathead. On the clutch thread, where this debate was in force, you refused to voice any personal opinion. You just obfuscated. But when given a chance to be derisive when you think someone else has your back, you can't pass up the opportunity to take shots.

 

And given your past attempts to "police" the board from what you deem offensive, you're such a hypocrite...

[Bellhorn04]

Now we're gonna see some SOB factor.

[notin]

the team is 10-8 despite a fairly solid schedule, some significant injury and illness issues - and the bats not waking up. That sounds like "toughness" to me.

 

A solid schedule in the middle of a flu epidemic

[a700hitter]

Stop it. You're very weak.

 

If I typed "anti-stathead" instead would you be less confused? Does the term stathead confuse you? If so, stop using it.

 

It's odd you suddenly have derogatory comments on stathead. On the clutch thread, where this debate was in force, you refused to voice any personal opinion. You just obfuscated. But when given a chance to be derisive when you think someone else has your back, you can't pass up the opportunity to take shots.

 

And given your past attempts to "police" the board from what you deem offensive, you're such a hypocrite...

You are really far afield now. What any of this has to do with the "dirt dog" "grit" factors beyond me.

 

Let me correct you again, because you read your own thoughts into my posts. I am not anti-stat nor anti-stathead. I am just acknowledging that factors like "grit" set some stat-heads off on rants. Kimmi is on record stating that she acknowledges the factor. Other stat-heads are bothered by the term "grit". That is not an anti-stat-head statement -- just an observation.

 

You state that I obfuscated in the "clutch" discussion. Why, because i didn't say what you thought I would say? That is just a function of the filter through which you read my posts. I have been very clear and consistent about my position on the issue, and it is a bit pointless to keep arguing about it since clutch cannot be proven statistically to the satisfaction of stat-heads, nor can the stat-heads definitively disprove the characteristic.

[Kimmi]

the team is 10-8 despite a fairly solid schedule, some significant injury and illness issues - and the bats not waking up. That sounds like "toughness" to me.

 

A voice of reason.

[Kimmi]

A solid schedule in the middle of a flu epidemic

 

It seems like we have face some very good starting pitching.

 

And if I'm not mistaken, we have had our starting line up together in one game all season.

[a700hitter]

It seems like we have face some very good starting pitching.

 

And if I'm not mistaken, we have had our starting line up together in one game all season.

The bats will heat up as the weather heats up. The lineup is pretty deep, even though we don't have the big centerpiece anymore. I am hoping that XB will take his power game to the next level. That would make the lineup very formidable.

[Kimmi]

The bats will heat up as the weather heats up. The lineup is pretty deep, even though we don't have the big centerpiece anymore. I am hoping that XB will take his power game to the next level. That would make the lineup very formidable.

 

They've been frustrating at times, but I am not the least bit concerned about our offense.

[a700hitter]

They've been frustrating at times, but I am not the least bit concerned about our offense.

The bullpen will be what makes or breaks this team. The offense is solid and the starting pitching is solid (and could be spectacular if Price returns).

[Kimmi]

The bullpen will be what makes or breaks this team. The offense is solid and the starting pitching is solid (and could be spectacular if Price returns).

 

Not concerned about the bullpen either. I've said many times, I believe this team is playoff bound and doesn't have any true areas of weakness. If the pen does become a problem, that is the easiest area to improve during the season.

[a700hitter]

Not concerned about the bullpen either. I've said many times, I believe this team is playoff bound and doesn't have any true areas of weakness. If the pen does become a problem, that is the easiest area to improve during the season.

Agrred, but I think DD has some work to do if the returns of Smith and Thornton get delayed.

[jad]

Maybe you didn't see his game 4 performance of the 1975 World Series. Lots of terms like grit and guts were used. He was also known as a crafty pitcher when he reinvented himself with the Red Sox.

 

I can actually remember exactly where I was for that game, but no, I don't remember the exact language the announcers used. Do you have a tape?

[jad]

Not to put too fine a point on things, but what in the world does SOB mean? (in addition to its classic meaning)

[bosoxmal]

Williams, Doerr, Foxx, Grove, Dom DiMaggio, Evans, Ortiz, were not dirt dogs. I think the word were looking for is "professional"

[a700hitter]

I can actually remember exactly where I was for that game, but no, I don't remember the exact language the announcers used. Do you have a tape?

No, I don't have a tape of that game. El Tiante was often referred to as "crafty" in his Boston days. He was never called "athletic". The description of his reinvention as a "crafty" pitcher is mentioned in this summary of a documentary about his life and career:

 

https://m.facebook.com/notes/newbury-comics/some-good-news-for-red-sox-fans-a-luis-tiant-documentary/154383268929/

[jad]

No, I don't have a tape of that game. El Tiante was often referred to as "crafty" in his Boston days. He was never called "athletic". The description of his reinvention as a "crafty" pitcher is mentioned in this summary of a documentary about his life and career:

 

https://m.facebook.com/notes/newbury-comics/some-good-news-for-red-sox-fans-a-luis-tiant-documentary/154383268929/

 

Yeah, I seem to recall that. That word doesn't seem as racially-charged as those that were talking about here: 'grit' 'dirt dog' etc. and to a lesser extent 'athletic'. (Btw, I don't doubt that Luis was never called that, even though he, like nearly all professional athletes, was obviously 'athletic' according to any reasonable understanding of that word!)

[sk7326]

Grit and stuff is somewhat racially charged - or at least it seems that way in application.

 

Also, visible toughness comes when the player makes it look tough - the appearance of high effort ...

[mvp 78]

Nine David Ecksteins would be a s***** baseball team.

[cp176]

the team is 10-8 despite a fairly solid schedule, some significant injury and illness issues - and the bats not waking up. That sounds like "toughness" to me.

 

I don't equate toughness to being 11-8 necessarily. We all know that they are talented.

[cp176]

A voice of reason.

 

Of course. When people agree with me, I to think that it is reasonable.

[cp176]

Grit and stuff is somewhat racially charged - or at least it seems that way in application.

 

Also, visible toughness comes when the player makes it look tough - the appearance of high effort ...

 

??? Being gritty and tough is racially charged? In who's world?