A Realistic View at 2017 Part II

[SoxHop]

Maybe last night's win will spark something substantial.

 

I won't pull the ball away this time Charlie Brown...

[moonslav59]

I won't pull the ball away this time Charlie Brown...

 

Only my wife is allowed to call me Charlie Brown!

 

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Sandoval looks so terrible at the plate and in the field. It is amazing to think how far he has fallen, from a 100 million dollar contract to marginal MLB player.

 

If the Red Sox don't think they are serious competitors for a championship, they might as well keep Sandoval at 3b all year. On the other hand, if they believe the team can compete for a championship, it would make sense to trade for Moustakas, a left-handed bat, a perfect fit for the lineup.

 

What would the Red Sox be willing to give up for Moustakas, a guy the Royals won't resign in offseason? The Royals will probably want one of the following: Sam Travis, Devers, Chavis, Ockimey. I wouldn't trade Devers but I wouldn't be surprised to see Dombrowski move him.

[Spudboy]

Trading Devers for a two month rental is bad math.

[moonslav59]

Trading Devers for a two month rental is bad math.

 

Even if he agreed to an expensive extension, it's bad math.

[Fisk]

Would not trade Devers at all, going to need his cheap production in the lineup over the next few years.

[oldtimer]

Would not trade Devers at all, going to need his cheap production in the lineup over the next few years.

 

By the all star break, it ought to be very clear if the Sandoval experiment is working. If not, maybe Devers could be brought up then. I trust the coaches and managers to make that decision as they see the kid every day. in no case would I trade him.

[Fisk]

By the all star break, it ought to be very clear if the Sandoval experiment is working. If not, maybe Devers could be brought up then. I trust the coaches and managers to make that decision as they see the kid every day. in no case would I trade him.

 

I'm guessing they decided the experiment isn't working, because he's sitting today against a righty. Farrell's explanation is we have a lefty starting, so if this is true Pablo is only going to play when Porcellois pitching against another righthander.

[moonslav59]

Would not trade Devers at all, going to need his cheap production in the lineup over the next few years.

 

For sure.

[moonslav59]

I'm guessing they decided the experiment isn't working, because he's sitting today against a righty. Farrell's explanation is we have a lefty starting, so if this is true Pablo is only going to play when Porcellois pitching against another righthander.

 

Has Farrell lost it?

[Fisk]

Has Farrell lost it?

 

Maybe, a very weird situation.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

I agree; I wouldn't trade Devers. Would you guys trade Travis, Chavis, or Ockimey for Moustakas?

 

The Royals might demand Devers, but with the change in draft compensation you would think the Royals would be happy to acquire something less than Devers, no?

Edited June 11, 2017 by Fan_since_Boggs

[Fisk]

I agree; I wouldn't trade Devers. Would you guys trade Travis, Chavis, or Ockimey for Moustakas?

 

The Royals might demand Devers, but with the change in draft compensation you would think the Royals would be happy to acquire something less than Devers, no?

 

I wouldn't make that trade. Would look to go cheaper Plouffe or Peralta. Production probably wouldn't be a whole lot different.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

I wouldn't make that trade. Would look to go cheaper Plouffe or Peralta. Production probably wouldn't be a whole lot different.

 

I don't consider Peralta a serious option and so won't go there. As far Plouffe and Moustakas go, the latter is having a significantly better season with the bat and is left handed.

[Jasonbay44]

Peralta was DFA, he might be worth kicking the tires on, can he really be worse?

[Fisk]

Definitely would kick the tires on him then overpaying for Moustakas.

[Station 13]

Pass. He is bad.

[moonslav59]

I could see us trading something like this:

 

Ockimey and Owens for Todd Frazier

 

I'm not saying I like this, but this is something like what I see happening.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

If your team has a chance to win a championship, I don't think you obtain a washed up player like Peralta and start him at 3b. The idea is to get better and improve your odds of winning.

 

I think Frazier is target number 2 behind Moustakas. I think a lefty bat is a better fit for this lineup. At present, the Red Sox don't have a lefty bat that scares anyone. Moustakas would likely be the Red Sox cleanup hitter, pushing Moreland down a few spots.

[moonslav59]

If your team has a chance to win a championship, I don't think you obtain a washed up player like Peralta and start him at 3b. The idea is to get better and improve your odds of winning.

 

I think Frazier is target number 2 behind Moustakas. I think a lefty bat is a better fit for this lineup. At present, the Red Sox don't have a lefty bat that scares anyone. Moustakas would likely be the Red Sox cleanup hitter, pushing Moreland down a few spots.

 

Of course, we'd rather have Moustakas, but I feel his cost will be too high.

 

If he'd agree to an extension as part of thed eal, maybe we'd go for him, but I'm not sure we can afford to pay him on a large and long deal and then keep others.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Definitely would kick the tires on him then overpaying for Moustakas.

 

The thing is, these guys don't bring back first round draft compensation anymore and so they should be easier to acquire in a trade. With that said, if a few teams are competing for Moustakas, the asking price will go up. The one thing we know about Dombrowski is that he is not shy about overpaying. . . .

 

I'm open to trading pretty much any player in the system for Moustakas with the exception of Devers and Groome. The problem is, I could see the Royals taking a stand and demanding Devers or no deal at all. Then again, if Dombrowski refuses to trade Devers, a player like Chavis would be a nice acquisition for the Royals, preferable to draft compensation.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

I feel his cost will be too high.

 

Would you support trading Chavis for him or would that be giving up too much?

[moonslav59]

Would you support trading Chavis for him or would that be giving up too much?

 

That's a tough one.

 

With 3B and 1B seemingly our weakest positions over the next few years, I'd hate to trade Devers, Travis or Chavis.

 

I doubt they'd go for Ockimey, Dalbec and Owens.

 

Maybe they'd take Ockimey, Chatham and Lakins, but that might be too much for a 2 month rental. Our farm has already been nearly gutted.

[Fisk]

That's a tough one.

 

With 3B and 1B seemingly our weakest positions over the next few years, I'd hate to trade Devers, Travis or Chavis.

 

I doubt they'd go for Ockimey, Dalbec and Owens.

 

Maybe they'd take Ockimey, Chatham and Lakins, but that might be too much for a 2 month rental. Our farm has already been nearly gutted.

 

No way would I give that up for Moustakas, he has never been consistent in his career. DD should be run out of town if he makes that trade.

[jacksonianmarch]

The problem for you guys is that the minor league chips have been dealt and the gaping hole at 3b has an internal option who is also your best trade chip. It's easier when your best trade chip is blocked. It's more dicey when the player is in a position of need. You run into the possibility that your player received is passed by the player traded within a year

[Bellhorn04]

I think we're going to have to live with Pablo and Rutledge until Devers is ready. Can't be making panic trades.

[Fisk]

I think we're going to have to live with Pablo and Rutledge until Devers is ready. Can't be making panic trades.

 

Exactly, or take a flyer on Peralta or Plouffe, never know if they can get hot.

[Nick]

I think we're going to have to live with Pablo and Rutledge until Devers is ready. Can't be making panic trades.

 

I agree. No way we should give away our top prospect for a mediocre veteran. I like Rutledge. He's a solid hitter. We need to stay with the plan.

 

Dynamics of this team will improve when Carson Smith returns. Our pen will be rock solid if he's able to return to form. Kelly, Barnes, Smith and Kimbrel looks to be decent relay team for closing out games. You still have Scott to face that one left hander along with Hembree.

 

We need for Betts and Hanley to step up their games. Bradley Jr is turning things around. If those three hit, Rutledge is doable at third. (And maybe we'll get Holt back at some point)

 

My biggest concern right now is our starting rotation.

Edited June 11, 2017 by Nick

[Fisk]

Hanley and Betts have to turn it around or we are dead in the water. Keys to our season.

[Nick]

BOSTON - Carson Smith threw his second living batting practice session on Saturday and is nearing a minor-league rehab assignment.

 

The Red Sox reliever has been making steady progress since Tommy John surgery in May 2016.