A Realistic View at 2017 Part II

[Spudboy]

I read that it was on his throwing hand.

 

Hmm.

[Bellhorn04]

i have kids on my 11u team that use crazy glue to fix stuff like this and compete. this "injury" should never have even been brought up to the public, media, anyone.

i stand by my statement that price is a pansy.

 

Price is a pansy but Hanley has a great attitude in spite of all the games he misses. The difference is you hate one guy and like the other.

[Slasher9]

Price is a pansy but Hanley has a great attitude in spite of all the games he misses. The difference is you hate one guy and like the other.

 

these are all my opinions that i post on the internet. that said...i don't disagree with your statement on "difference" but i do believe there is a difference outside of what you state.

also pansy and attitude have nothing to do with each other.

a player can have a great attitude and be a pansy.....

[a700hitter]

i believe he did pitch a no-no.

it really is incredible that he made it to the MLB level and stuck for awhile. some serious determination he had....

He probably would have had a longer career if he had to deal with only a cracked nail on his pitching hand. And then Proce whines about how people don't care about him except as a pitcher blah blah blah. Well what else would we care about. We don't know him personally and he is a pitcher. The criticism of him has been mild, but then he acts like a jackass in interviews and blows up in psychotic rants at reporters. Now he whines about a cracked fingernail on his non-pitching hand. This $210 million man is a real delicate flower. Message to Price: GROW UP AND ACT LIKE A MAN. Your actions are making people hate you. Seriously, shut up and pitch and earn your contract.

[Spudboy]

I could have sworn it was on his other hand, when I read the first report, but I think you are right.

 

Maybe both of us read an inaccurate report. What I read made a point of stating that it was his non-throwing hand.

 

Of course it could all be more of the special love the media has for Price.

 

He is being blamed for something and it has to do with his disappearance down the tunnel while asking Willis to follow him.

 

The entire Price story is f***ing stupid in my opinion. As I see it, once he signed that ginormous contract he had a target on his back. I even asked this board what would happened if he fell short of expectations ( at the time of the signing ). Most people shrugged a meh.

 

I think this entire thing is f***ing stupid. And it will not die until Price is gone one way or another.

 

That is how this town ( market ) works.

[Bellhorn04]

these are all my opinions that i post on the internet. that said...i don't disagree with your statement on "difference" but i do believe there is a difference outside of what you state.

also pansy and attitude have nothing to do with each other.

a player can have a great attitude and be a pansy.....

 

So is Hanley a pansy with a great attitude?

[Slasher9]

So is Hanley a pansy with a great attitude?

 

when he sits out of a game for a fingernail i may consider labeling him a pansy.

[mvp 78]

His stuff started diminishing while he was with the Yankees. Didn't he pitch a no-no for the Skankees?

 

Yup.

[moonslav59]

Maybe both of us read an inaccurate report. What I read made a point of stating that it was his non-throwing hand.

 

Of course it could all be more of the special love the media has for Price.

 

He is being blamed for something and it has to do with his disappearance down the tunnel while asking Willis to follow him.

 

The entire Price story is f***ing stupid in my opinion. As I see it, once he signed that ginormous contract he had a target on his back. I even asked this board what would happened if he fell short of expectations ( at the time of the signing ). Most people shrugged a meh.

 

I think this entire thing is f***ing stupid. And it will not die until Price is gone one way or another.

 

That is how this town ( market ) works.

 

Look how this town changed its opinion on Lackey after his great season. I think Price could do the same with a great finish this year or a near CY Young season next year.

I hope he wins the Cy Young next year and opts out. (Highly doubtful.)

[Spudboy]

Price went 6 innings with 2 earned runs in that start, and I've heard nothing indicating he won't be able to make his next one...so I'm not really sure what the problem is.

 

Farrel has stated that the cracked finger nail will not cause Price to miss any starts.

 

Of course that report may be false as well.

 

The Boston media is making a big deal of it one way or another.

[moonslav59]

All Price has to do is pitch a couple gems and the media will shut up (at least until his next bad start).

[Spudboy]

All Price has to do is pitch a couple gems and the media will shut up (at least until his next bad start).

 

Which supports my point.

 

If by some miracle Price could morph into vintage Pedro he might be able to salvage his stint in Boston.

 

I am confident that will not happen.

 

I have always liked Price the pitcher.

 

He has not done very well in Boston compared to his first 8 years in MLB.

 

Now he has a spat with the media.

 

He is doomed in this town.

 

Too bad.

 

Wait until Sale f***s up somehow. That will be fun.

[moonslav59]

I have always liked Price the pitcher.

 

He has not done very well in Boston compared to his first 8 years in MLB.

 

I thought we overpaid for Price, but at least we didn't lose prospects or draft picks doing so.

 

I thought Price was the best available SP'er in several years, except for maybe Scherzer (in foresight only).

 

I was fine with the signing. I expected a little better production, so far, but I still think he can bounce back to pre-Boston performance levels. I hope the media spat hasn't poisoned his attitude to the point that it affects his productivity.

[Maxbialystock]

All Price has to do is pitch a couple gems and the media will shut up (at least until his next bad start).

 

I've been down on Price a lot, but I agree with you. I think he has some good starts ahead of him. Of course, I would also like to have Vazquez shot at dawn for insisting that Price keep throwing fast balls.

[Maxbialystock]

I have always liked Price the pitcher.

 

He has not done very well in Boston compared to his first 8 years in MLB.

 

I thought we overpaid for Price, but at least we didn't lose prospects or draft picks doing so.

 

I thought Price was the best available SP'er in several years, except for maybe Scherzer (in foresight only).

 

I was fine with the signing. I expected a little better production, so far, but I still think he can bounce back to pre-Boston performance levels. I hope the media spat hasn't poisoned his attitude to the point that it affects his productivity.

 

Someone needs to remind Price that they went after Ted Williams too, enough to cause him to stop tipping his cap--even when he hit a dinger on his very last MLB at bat.

[a700hitter]

Someone needs to remind Price that they went after Ted Williams too, enough to cause him to stop tipping his cap--even when he hit a dinger on his very last MLB at bat.

The fans have never gotten on Price like they booed Williams and Yaz.

[illinoisredsox]

The fans have never gotten on Price like they booed Williams and Yaz.

 

Yeah, but Buckley from the Herald is doing his best to start that (I assume somebody at the Globe is doing the same, but since they are behind a paywall ...). I don't think there's been a column he's written since the incident in New York that hasn't had some snide remark about Price in it.

[S5Dewey]

i laugh when announcers talk about pitchers who are "gutting it out" because they are playing with an injury to their non-pitching hand. There was a pitcher that had only one-hand.

 

Hell, the Sox had one who could pitch with either hand!

[moonslav59]

Hell, the Sox had one who could pitch with either hand!

 

Harris, right? I forget his first name.

[moonslav59]

Hey, did I ever mention I'm so glad we got...

 

Chris Freakin' Sale!

[moonslav59]

Possible teams in fire sale mode at the deadline (or before):

 

 

24-50 Philly -20.5 (-21 WC)

27-51 SFG -24.5 (-20 WC)

31-45 SDP -19.5 (-15 WC)

34-41 NYM -11.0 (-11.5 WC)

34-40 MIA -10.5 (-11 WC)

35-41 PIT -5.0 (-11 WC)

32-42 CWS -7.5 (-7.0 WC)

33-43 DET -7.0 (-6.5 WC)

34-42 OAK -17.5 (-6 WC)

 

Bubble:

36-39 ATL -9.0 (-9.5 WC)

36-39 TOR -5.0 (-3.5 WC)

 

Maybe:

BAL, KCR, SEA, LAA

 

Amazing how the 5 or 6 teams the most out of it are all in the NL.

[moonslav59]

Do other AL contendingteams have a black hole in their line-ups?

 

Hell yes!

 

Top 9 batters by PAs (plus others with 100+ PAs in parenthesis)

 

HOU ( 7 players with an .826+ OPS and 129+ PAs!)

LF Aoki .656

(They only have 12 players with 22+ PAs.)

 

NYY

3B Headley .714

1B Carter .669 (DFA'd)

(IF Torreyes .683 in 135)

(C Romine .571 in 127

 

CLE

C Gomes .666 (C Perez .477 in 106 PAs)

2B Kipnis .691

(RF Almonte .660 in 100 PAs most of any RF'er on the team)

 

MN (11 of top 12 PA players are under .790)

CF Buxton .572

SS Polanco .659

C Castro .697

(UT Vargas .694 in 145)

 

Boston Red Sox (No top 10 batter by PAs below .705, but clearly 3B is a big black hole.)

C Leon .706

(IF Rutledge .558 in 118)

(3B Pablo .622 in 108)

(3b Marrero .488 in 104)

 

[cp176]

Someone needs to remind Price that they went after Ted Williams too, enough to cause him to stop tipping his cap--even when he hit a dinger on his very last MLB at bat.

 

i was going to mention Ted. He was just tough enough to take it and throw it right back at them. To begin with, all these guys have targets on their backs potentially due to the ridiculous amounts of money they are payed to entertain us. One of the reasons why I could care less about how much money henry has to pay or how much over the luxury tax he goes. unless Price starts pitching very well again or makes a public apologetic plea to the media (social and otherwise), he isn't likely to last here. Good for us - right?

[S5Dewey]

Harris, right? I forget his first name.

 

Yep. Greg Harris. He wanted it in his contract that he'd be allowed to pitch at least one game with his left hand (he was predominately right handed). but the Sox wouldn't give in. I was disappointed. I wanted to see it happen, if only for the oddity of it.

[S5Dewey]

i was going to mention Ted. He was just tough enough to take it and throw it right back at them. To begin with, all these guys have targets on their backs potentially due to the ridiculous amounts of money they are payed to entertain us. One of the reasons why I could care less about how much money henry has to pay or how much over the luxury tax he goes. unless Price starts pitching very well again or makes a public apologetic plea to the media (social and otherwise), he isn't likely to last here. Good for us - right?

 

I think he's going to last here. If he's pitching well everyone will get off his back and he'll be happier here, and if he's not pitching well he's not crazy enough to give up that big contract. I liked the idea of his coming here but I hated the contract.

 

I may be the only one who doesn't have a problem with Price's attitude. As far as I can see he's doing exactly what most of us want to see. When he fails he doesn't blame anyone else, he just says, "I have to do better" - which is true.

 

There's no doubt that the media and the fans are tough here. I often wonder if "we" don't contribute in some way to the continued failure of a player when they not only have to deal with the frustration of the failure they also have to contend with the media's harping on it.

[cp176]

I think he's going to last here. If he's pitching well everyone will get off his back and he'll be happier here, and if he's not pitching well he's not crazy enough to give up that big contract. I liked the idea of his coming here but I hated the contract.

 

I may be the only one who doesn't have a problem with Price's attitude. As far as I can see he's doing exactly what most of us want to see. When he fails he doesn't blame anyone else, he just says, "I have to do better" - which is true.

 

There's no doubt that the media and the fans are tough here. I often wonder if "we" don't contribute in some way to the continued failure of a player when they not only have to deal with the frustration of the failure they also have to contend with the media's harping on it.

 

I think that we certainly do contribute to the success or failure of certain players. I'm with you on Price. I like him. The contract really doesn't bother me because it doesn't appear to really bother John Henry much. i wonder if he laughs at us when we squawk and holler about the Red Sox going over their limitless (non existent?) budget.

[moonslav59]

We've always stayed near the luxury tax, so I do not think our budget is even close to limitless. I also think Henry would not mind paying the tax but not going so far over that other non-monetary penalties are obtained, IF we didn't also have to pay Castillo and Craig "off the books".

 

Paying Castill, Craig AND a luxury tax is probably just too much for even a multi-billionaire.

 

Also, billionaires got to be billionaires by pinching pennies and dollars, so certainly over $10 million is not something Henry just shrugs away.

 

Edited June 27, 2017 by moonslav59

[S5Dewey]

IMO this business of the budget being limitless is overblown. We as fans and JH as owners see things somewhat differently. We want to win at any cost. Why not? It's not our money!

 

However, we as fans have to realize that MLB is first and foremost a business for the owners and like any business they're going to try to make money at it. I'm the first to admit that I don't know how much money the Red Sox organization makes (or loses) as a whole so I may be talking through my hat somewhat, but JH didn't get rich by making poor investments. My guess is that JH sees owning a team probably as an expensive hobby that he's willing to support but not lose his shirt on. Therefore the budget is limitless only in terms of how much he can spend and still end up with a profit.

 

We'd like to think that the FO is willing to spend whatever it takes to build a championship team but JH is under no obligation to sustain a financial loss in order to appease his fans. Whether we like it or not, at the end of the day it's all somewhat about following the money.

[moonslav59]

IMO this business of the budget being limitless is overblown. We as fans and JH as owners see things somewhat differently. We want to win at any cost. Why not? It's not our money!

 

However, we as fans have to realize that MLB is first and foremost a business for the owners and like any business they're going to try to make money at it. I'm the first to admit that I don't know how much money the Red Sox organization makes (or loses) as a whole so I may be talking through my hat somewhat, but JH didn't get rich by making poor investments. My guess is that JH sees owning a team probably as an expensive hobby that he's willing to support but not lose his shirt on. Therefore the budget is limitless only in terms of how much he can spend and still end up with a profit.

 

We'd like to think that the FO is willing to spend whatever it takes to build a championship team but JH is under no obligation to sustain a financial loss in order to appease his fans. Whether we like it or not, at the end of the day it's all somewhat about following the money.

 

Well said. Of course Henry has enough money to buy every top FA on the market every year. If the budget was "limitless", we'd probably be doing close to that, and we haven't.

 

I think Henry wants to make money with the Red Sox, but is probably willing to break even and treat it as a cost-free hobby. He might not even mind losing a little money here and there, but I doubt he's willing to be George Stienbrenner plus.

[mvp 78]

The budget isn't limitless, but it's big enough that we shouldn't be clutching at our pearls worrying about a cliff.