2017 Rotation Discussion

[moonslav59]

Looks like Price has been "dealing with the media" in his own way.

 

It's just not the way many want him to do it.

 

Maybe it will light a fire under him. Maybe it will adversely affect his pitching. Maybe it has no affect.

 

[Kimmi]

Looks like Price has been "dealing with the media" in his own way.

 

It's just not the way many want him to do it.

 

Maybe it will light a fire under him. Maybe it will adversely affect his pitching. Maybe it has no affect.

 

 

I tell you what would go a long way in repairing the damage, IMO. Price should address the media and make a public statement, not only apologizing to Eck, but also acknowledging that he was very wrong in the way he behaved. He should also do the same with Eck privately. If he can do so sincerely, I think it will help.

 

He's human. He made a very bad mistake. Acknowledge it and atone for it, rather than staying silent and acting like you did nothing wrong.

[mvp 78]

I tell you what would go a long way in repairing the damage, IMO. Price should address the media and make a public statement, not only apologizing to Eck, but also acknowledging that he was very wrong in the way he behaved. He should also do the same with Eck privately. If he can do so sincerely, I think it will help.

 

He's human. He made a very bad mistake. Acknowledge it and atone for it, rather than staying silent and acting like you did nothing wrong.

 

I think he hasn't done this publicly because he thinks he's in the right. Sad!

[Kimmi]

I don't know how reliable this is:

 

Fred Toucher

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@FredToucher

 

Have a source close to Eckersley who claims that Pedroia "was cheering for Price aggressively. Enough for Eck to mention" on the team plane

11:11 PM - Jul 26, 2017

[SoxnCycles]

I don't know how reliable this is:

 

Fred Toucher

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@FredToucher

 

Have a source close to Eckersley who claims that Pedroia "was cheering for Price aggressively. Enough for Eck to mention" on the team plane

11:11 PM - Jul 26, 2017

 

Surprising and disgusting, all at the same time.

 

Anyone that was supporting Price's actions obviously can't take being criticized for poor performance.

It's disappointing to hear Pedroia probably feels that way.

[Kimmi]

Surprising and disgusting, all at the same time.

 

Anyone that was supporting Price's actions obviously can't take being criticized for poor performance.

It's disappointing to hear Pedroia probably feels that way.

 

If it's true about Pedrioa, it's very disappointing indeed.

[OH FOY]

I don't care about all this BS, I just don't see the consistency, and talent Price had. He's been trending down to me, looks hittable.

[Dojji]

I will usually support a player over a critic who does nothing but wear out an office chair and say words. Eckersley is an analyist now, not a pitcher. He may be a former player but that was a long time ago now, and if he's going to step out of the professional mode to criticize players who are struggling, players have a right not to take that kindly.

 

I think the key here is the actions of other players on the team. Pedroia in particular is a guy I'd expect to be above the kind of anger Price was displaying unless there was a reason. Him apparently being on Price's side means there WAS a reason, that Eck stepped over the line and offended the fraternity, and he's going to have to be the one to deal with that. The fact of the matter is that this looks an awful lot like even Farrell is inclined to take the player's side. Farrel saying "we're focused on winning baseball games" makes it clear that he feels Eckersley is owed nothing.

 

Combine that with a guy like Price who's frustrated enough with his own performance without help from the deskmeat, and the sense that of all the NESN crew, Eckersley should have known better, I have to say that I'm much more understanding of Price right at the moment. Especially because we're seeing this spectacle mostly through an Eck-friendly filter since the NESN guys have his back.

 

it's also worth noting that Eckersley is no longer travelling with the team while Price seems to have gotten the proverbial Stern Talking To and nothing more for his words to Eckersley.

 

The fact is that Eck has gone native and is media now, media who want good rapport with the players need to stay professional, Eck didn't, Price rounded on him over it and it sound like a large group of the players agreed. The maverick here is Eck, not Price. Price is just the guy dumb enough to say something.

Edited July 27, 2017 by Dojji

[SoxnCycles]

I will usually support a player over a critic who does nothing but wear out an office chair and say words. Eckersley is an analyist now, not a pitcher. He may be a former player but that was a long time ago now, and if he's going to step out of the professional mode to criticize players who are struggling, players have a right not to take that kindly.

 

I think the key here is the actions of other players on the team. Pedroia in particular is a guy I'd expect to be above the kind of anger Price was displaying unless there was a reason. Him apparently being on Price's side means there WAS a reason, that Eck stepped over the line and offended the fraternity, and he's going to have to be the one to deal with that. The fact of the matter is that this looks an awful lot like even Farrell is inclined to take the player's side. Farrel saying "we're focused on winning baseball games" makes it clear that he feels Eckersley is owed nothing.

 

Combine that with a guy like Price who's frustrated enough with his own performance without help from the deskmeat, and the sense that of all the NESN crew, Eckersley should have known better, I have to say that I'm much more understanding of Price right at the moment. Especially because we're seeing this spectacle mostly through an Eck-friendly filter since the NESN guys have his back.

 

it's also worth noting that Eckersley is no longer travelling with the team while Price seems to have gotten the proverbial Stern Talking To and nothing more for his words to Eckersley.

 

The fact is that Eck has gone native and is media now, media who want good rapport with the players need to stay professional, Eck didn't, Price rounded on him over it and it sound like a large group of the players agreed. The maverick here is Eck, not Price. Price is just the guy dumb enough to say something.

 

There are so many things wrong with this post, I don't even know where to start...

[mvp 78]

I will usually support a player over a critic who does nothing but wear out an office chair and say words. Eckersley is an analyist now, not a pitcher. He may be a former player but that was a long time ago now, and if he's going to step out of the professional mode to criticize players who are struggling, players have a right not to take that kindly.

 

I think the key here is the actions of other players on the team. Pedroia in particular is a guy I'd expect to be above the kind of anger Price was displaying unless there was a reason. Him apparently being on Price's side means there WAS a reason, that Eck stepped over the line and offended the fraternity, and he's going to have to be the one to deal with that. The fact of the matter is that this looks an awful lot like even Farrell is inclined to take the player's side. Farrel saying "we're focused on winning baseball games" makes it clear that he feels Eckersley is owed nothing.

 

Combine that with a guy like Price who's frustrated enough with his own performance without help from the deskmeat, and the sense that of all the NESN crew, Eckersley should have known better, I have to say that I'm much more understanding of Price right at the moment. Especially because we're seeing this spectacle mostly through an Eck-friendly filter since the NESN guys have his back.

 

it's also worth noting that Eckersley is no longer travelling with the team while Price seems to have gotten the proverbial Stern Talking To and nothing more for his words to Eckersley.

 

The fact is that Eck has gone native and is media now, media who want good rapport with the players need to stay professional, Eck didn't, Price rounded on him over it and it sound like a large group of the players agreed. The maverick here is Eck, not Price. Price is just the guy dumb enough to say something.

 

Eck is a color guy, not a beat writer. He doesn't really need a good rapport with the players as he's not going into the clubhouse for interviews. All he said was "yuck."

 

Your comment about Eck no longer travelling with the team is uninformed. He generally wasn't travelling with the team beforehand due to personal issues.

 

If you think the organization is rallying around Price, you're on the wrong side of history.

[Spudboy]

I will usually support a player over a critic who does nothing but wear out an office chair and say words. Eckersley is an analyist now, not a pitcher. He may be a former player but that was a long time ago now, and if he's going to step out of the professional mode to criticize players who are struggling, players have a right not to take that kindly.

 

I think the key here is the actions of other players on the team. Pedroia in particular is a guy I'd expect to be above the kind of anger Price was displaying unless there was a reason. Him apparently being on Price's side means there WAS a reason, that Eck stepped over the line and offended the fraternity, and he's going to have to be the one to deal with that. The fact of the matter is that this looks an awful lot like even Farrell is inclined to take the player's side. Farrel saying "we're focused on winning baseball games" makes it clear that he feels Eckersley is owed nothing.

 

Combine that with a guy like Price who's frustrated enough with his own performance without help from the deskmeat, and the sense that of all the NESN crew, Eckersley should have known better, I have to say that I'm much more understanding of Price right at the moment. Especially because we're seeing this spectacle mostly through an Eck-friendly filter since the NESN guys have his back.

 

it's also worth noting that Eckersley is no longer travelling with the team while Price seems to have gotten the proverbial Stern Talking To and nothing more for his words to Eckersley.

 

The fact is that Eck has gone native and is media now, media who want good rapport with the players need to stay professional, Eck didn't, Price rounded on him over it and it sound like a large group of the players agreed. The maverick here is Eck, not Price. Price is just the guy dumb enough to say something.

 

Did you witness what Eck said live on the broadcast of that game?

 

It sure sounds like you didn't.

 

The Yuck was just a pretext. Followed by nothing even remotely negative. The exchange with OB ultimately concluded with the idea that ERod's line was not important. That most pitchers would be rusty. They concluded that the Sox were looking to see if the knee was sound enough to go forward and pitch and that there was nothing to worry about since ERod felt fine.

 

Making assumptions based on incomplete information is not helpful.

Edited July 28, 2017 by Spudboy

[Nick]

I'd love to hang out with Eck. He's really charming I think. He can be self deprecating and he's genuine. Price? He's a guy that makes $217M more than me but he's there for my $89 per year mlb entertainment.

[Dojji]

Eck is a color guy, not a beat writer. He doesn't really need a good rapport with the players as he's not going into the clubhouse for interviews. All he said was "yuck."

 

Your comment about Eck no longer travelling with the team is uninformed. He generally wasn't travelling with the team beforehand due to personal issues.

 

If you think the organization is rallying around Price, you're on the wrong side of history.

 

There's the organization and then there's the players. I doubt the organization is rallying around Price. I don't think anything Eckersley did offended the organization. When I talked about the fraternity, I meant the fraternity. The players may be meatheads, but they have a code, and they seem to feel that Eckersley broke the code. That's the only reason I can think of that Pedroia might rally behind Price.

 

What seems to be a very little thing to a fan ranting on an internet forum can become a really big thing if the voice of NESN is sounding off on a player, especiually if the players have the sense (and they probably do, I would) that NESN speaks first and foremost for Red Sox management which is their paymaster.

 

That magnifies little things into big things very quickly. It can turn a "yuck" into a "the bosses are not happy" and that will get anyone who's a bit media sensitive going just about every time.

[SoxHop]

There's the organization and then there's the players. I doubt the organization is rallying around Price. I don't think anything Eckersley did offended the organization. When I talked about the fraternity, I meant the fraternity. The players may be meatheads, but they have a code, and they seem to feel that Eckersley broke the code. That's the only reason I can think of that Pedroia might rally behind Price.

 

What seems to be a very little thing to a fan ranting on an internet forum can become a really big thing if the voice of NESN is sounding off on a player, especiually if the players have the sense (and they probably do, I would) that NESN speaks first and foremost for Red Sox management which is their paymaster.

 

That magnifies little things into big things very quickly. It can turn a "yuck" into a "the bosses are not happy" and that will get anyone who's a bit media sensitive going just about every time.

 

In this case. A player didn't perform well. I'm sure the player didn't perform well, the FO knew the player didn't perform well, the fans knew he didn't perform well.

 

Yuck is about the nicest thing I can think of anyone saying about the performance.

 

If you can't handle a critisizm of yuck in your profession. Or if you can't realize what the whole world would understand by you in your role as a yuck performance...... then you need to come to grips with reality.

 

I can't imagine there is anyway this one thing brought this whole situation on. The players must have more issues than Eck with just the E-Rod performance. I guess JBJ isn't a fan, but he's off his rocker if he couldn't take what was said about hit during his beginning years.

 

Yuck....... you have to be kidding me.

 

How about Price isn't worth the money he is paid, or E-Rod is contantly hurt and can't be trusted.....

 

Yuck is the nicest way to put some of the struggles these players have had....

 

And now it's a cluster yuck due to them.....

[Spudboy]

In this case. A player didn't perform well. I'm sure the player didn't perform well, the FO knew the player didn't perform well, the fans knew he didn't perform well.

 

Yuck is about the nicest thing I can think of anyone saying about the performance.

 

If you can't handle a critisizm of yuck in your profession. Or if you can't realize what the whole world would understand by you in your role as a yuck performance...... then you need to come to grips with reality.

 

I can't imagine there is anyway this one thing brought this whole situation on. The players must have more issues than Eck with just the E-Rod performance. I guess JBJ isn't a fan, but he's off his rocker if he couldn't take what was said about hit during his beginning years.

 

Yuck....... you have to be kidding me.

 

How about Price isn't worth the money he is paid, or E-Rod is contantly hurt and can't be trusted.....

 

Yuck is the nicest way to put some of the struggles these players have had....

 

And now it's a cluster yuck due to them.....

 

Most likely.

 

And now we have a good name for this matter "Cluster Yuck".

 

Very good young man.

[cp176]

Couple things here for me. Eck is a big boy not some soft little no counter old guy. We all it seems love him. He has a job and he is doing it. I would be absolutely stunned if this old guy (what a joke that is) is bothered much by this one. Oh and I'm pretty sure that Mr. Rice would have his back for him if need be. Neither David Price nor anyone else (yes even our current strong man Hanley) is going to intimidate many people and certainly not Eckersley. Secondly - oh my goodness - David Price might get booed tonight. How awful. I wish that he would shut his mouth but if pitches lights out - oh well maybe another story will come along that can get all blown out of proportion so that more people might have an interest in this group of little guys.

[jad]

Bring your "YUCK" signs to the game, and display them proudly when Price gets into trouble.

[Bellhorn04]

Bring your "YUCK" signs to the game, and display them proudly when Price gets into trouble.

 

Yes, and give the Royals a standing O if they knock him out of the game early.

[Nick]

I heard Pedroia turned to Eck and said "it wasn't me, it wasn't me, it was him" pointing to Price. Not a big deal.

[SoxnCycles]

And now it's a cluster yuck due to them.....

 

Nailed it!

[mvp 78]

Yes, and give the Royals a standing O if they knock him out of the game early.

 

Too late. His elbow is feeling yucky.

[Kimmi]

Reading now that Price might be DL'd before tonight's game with Johnson being called up to take the start.

 

Coincidence? I think not!

[Kimmi]

In this case. A player didn't perform well. I'm sure the player didn't perform well, the FO knew the player didn't perform well, the fans knew he didn't perform well.

 

Yuck is about the nicest thing I can think of anyone saying about the performance.

 

If you can't handle a critisizm of yuck in your profession. Or if you can't realize what the whole world would understand by you in your role as a yuck performance...... then you need to come to grips with reality.

 

I can't imagine there is anyway this one thing brought this whole situation on. The players must have more issues than Eck with just the E-Rod performance. I guess JBJ isn't a fan, but he's off his rocker if he couldn't take what was said about hit during his beginning years.

 

Yuck....... you have to be kidding me.

 

How about Price isn't worth the money he is paid, or E-Rod is contantly hurt and can't be trusted.....

 

Yuck is the nicest way to put some of the struggles these players have had....

 

And now it's a cluster yuck due to them.....

 

Haha! Well played on the 'cluster yuck'!

 

I think there is probably more to the story than what we know. The fact that teammates applauded seems to support that. Also, I'm sure the media is blowing this out of proportion, as the media tends to do.

 

All that said, that does not excuse the behavior of the team.

[mvp 78]

Reading now that Price might be DL'd before tonight's game with Johnson being called up to take the start.

 

Coincidence? I think not!

 

I think it's a coincidence. He had decent starts for 5 straight turns and then looked worse last time out. I'm not surprised that his elbow is bothering him.

[a700hitter]

Reading now that Price might be DL'd before tonight's game with Johnson being called up to take the start.

 

Coincidence? I think not!

you think it might be a phantom DL?

 

It is devastating news if he goes on DL again. Our offense needs help and losing Price on top of that could send us into a tailspin.

[Hugh2]

I never looked forward to Price helping us in the playoffs but I thought he could help us get there.

 

Don't lose sight of what this team needs.

[Kimmi]

I think it's a coincidence. He had decent starts for 5 straight turns and then looked worse last time out. I'm not surprised that his elbow is bothering him.

 

Maybe it's just my conspiracy theory, but the timing of it seems a little too convenient. I can't see Price getting a favorable reaction from the crowd tonight. And if Price pitches poorly, it will make things that much worse.

 

I think this might be the FO's way of trying to somewhat divert the matter. Give it some time to blow over. Give Price some time to get his head on straight. Or, he could very well be feeling the elbow 'bark' again. Who knows?

[Jack Flap]

My in-depth analysis of these developments: not good, whatever the underlying reason.

[Kimmi]

I never looked forward to Price helping us in the playoffs but I thought he could help us get there.

 

Don't lose sight of what this team needs.

 

We need Price to be right for the remainder of the season. I hope he can be that pitcher for us. I don't like his recent behavior, but unlike a few people, I won't be pulling for him to get shelled or for the team to lose. I certainly would never wish injury upon a player.

 

Nothing will win over the crowd and the media faster than good performances and winning. In an ideal situation, Price would pitch like the ace we thought we were getting. If he can do that, much of this controversy would go away.

[Kimmi]

My in-depth analysis of these developments: not good, whatever the underlying reason.

 

That's a very good in depth analysis.