Price out with forearm soreness

[Fisk]

I will definitely say he has more credibility then me, but more then Dr. Andrews, I doubt.

[Spudboy]

He has more credibility on injury issues than anyone else on this board.

 

Yes he does. At least among members of the old guard.

[FredLynn]

He has more credibility on injury issues than anyone else on this board.

 

Not to discredit Jacko in any way ( I actually like him, for a Yankee fan), but he is an ER doctor, not an orthopedist. He has more credibility than a nonmedical person here, but I would not say that he has more than any other doctor who posts here or anywhere else-unless he has special training that he has not yet made public.

[harmony]

I will definitely say he has more credibility then me, but more then Dr. Andrews, I doubt.

Does anyone have a link to a direct quote from Dr. James Andrews (or Dr. Neil ElAttrache) regarding David Price's condition?

 

I have not seen a comment directly attributed to Dr. Andrews, who must get authorization from Price to release otherwise confidential medical information. The information I've read has been filtered through manager John Farrell and Price, who may or may not put a particular spin on the lefthander's condition.

 

http://www.csnne.com/boston-red-sox/price-disregard-7-10-day-timetable-about-return

[Fisk]

Does anyone have a link to a direct quote from Dr. James Andrews (or Dr. Neil ElAttrache) regarding David Price's condition?

 

I have not seen a comment directly attributed to Dr. Andrews, who must get authorization from Price to release otherwise confidential medical information. The information I've read has been filtered through manager John Farrell and Price, who may or may not put a particular spin on the lefthander's condition.

 

http://www.csnne.com/boston-red-sox/price-disregard-7-10-day-timetable-about-return

 

Yes they are both going to lie about the diagnosis you are freakin brilliant.

[Fisk]

I'm also going to guess if they lied about the diagnosis DR. Andrews would not be to happy, it could hurt his reputation.

[cp176]

Does anyone have a link to a direct quote from Dr. James Andrews (or Dr. Neil ElAttrache) regarding David Price's condition?

 

I have not seen a comment directly attributed to Dr. Andrews, who must get authorization from Price to release otherwise confidential medical information. The information I've read has been filtered through manager John Farrell and Price, who may or may not put a particular spin on the lefthander's condition.

 

http://www.csnne.com/boston-red-sox/price-disregard-7-10-day-timetable-about-return

 

It works for me. i do not have that much of a need to know. it is possible that they might not even think that we need to know! What is the world coming to? What I am really trying to say is that anyone who really gives a s***, might want to consider what really matters in the world. if I am not part of the program, I am a fan. I'm pretty much good with what they tell me.

[cp176]

It works for me. i do not have that much of a need to know. it is possible that they might not even think that we need to know! What is the world coming to? What I am really trying to say is that anyone who really gives a s***, might want to consider what really matters in the world. if I am not part of the program, I am a fan. I'm pretty much good with what they tell me.

 

I don't want to come off here as saying that we shouldn't be concerned about David Price. We all are. I guess what I mean is that there are some things that stay in that clubhouse. I'm willing to accept the fact that I have been told what they want the public to be told. I believe that they are being as truthful as they can and need to be.

[harmony]

Yes they are both going to lie about the diagnosis you are freakin brilliant.

John Farrell and David Price apparently can't get on the same page.

 

Farrell gave a timetable of seven to 10 days:

 

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/red_sox/2017/03/red_sox_notebook_no_surgery_necessary_for_david_price

 

... before Price told everyone to "disregard" the seven to 10 days:

 

http://www.csnne.com/boston-red-sox/price-disregard-7-10-day-timetable-about-return

 

Inaccurate information does not necessarily imply lying, which is the conscious decision to communicate a falsehood.

 

My ailing mother-in-law has four loving adult children who take turns transporting her to medical appointments. The information brought back from each visit can vary widely, not because the sibling is lying, but because the medical information is complicated. My mother-in-law wishes my wife, a physician, could accompany her for each appointment but that is not practical because they live 1,000 miles apart. Nevertheless my wife has grilled many doctors over the phone.

[harmony]

It works for me. i do not have that much of a need to know. it is possible that they might not even think that we need to know! What is the world coming to? What I am really trying to say is that anyone who really gives a s***, might want to consider what really matters in the world. if I am not part of the program, I am a fan. I'm pretty much good with what they tell me.

A good point in the middle of the post.

[Fisk]

John Farrell and David Price apparently can't get on the same page.

 

Farrell gave a timetable of seven to 10 days:

 

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/red_sox/2017/03/red_sox_notebook_no_surgery_necessary_for_david_price

 

... before Price told everyone to "disregard" the seven to 10 days:

 

http://www.csnne.com/boston-red-sox/price-disregard-7-10-day-timetable-about-return

 

Inaccurate information does not necessarily imply lying, which is the conscious decision to communicate a falsehood.

 

My ailing mother-in-law has four loving adult children who take turns transporting her to medical appointments. The information brought back from each visit can vary widely, not because the sibling is lying, but because the medical information is complicated. My mother-in-law wishes my wife, a physician, could accompany her for each appointment but that is not practical because they live 1,000 miles apart. Nevertheless my wife has grilled many doctors over the phone.

If you put the quote into context Price said that because if he was not ready to throw off a mound in 7-10 days he did not want the press speculating. its very sad that you are always trying to get my goat.

Edited March 7, 2017 by Fisk

[cp176]

John Farrell and David Price apparently can't get on the same page.

 

Farrell gave a timetable of seven to 10 days:

 

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/red_sox/2017/03/red_sox_notebook_no_surgery_necessary_for_david_price

 

... before Price told everyone to "disregard" the seven to 10 days:

 

http://www.csnne.com/boston-red-sox/price-disregard-7-10-day-timetable-about-return

 

Inaccurate information does not necessarily imply lying, which is the conscious decision to communicate a falsehood.

 

My ailing mother-in-law has four loving adult children who take turns transporting her to medical appointments. The information brought back from each visit can vary widely, not because the sibling is lying, but because the medical information is complicated. My mother-in-law wishes my wife, a physician, could accompany her for each appointment but that is not practical because they live 1,000 miles apart. Nevertheless my wife has grilled many doctors over the phone.

 

All my best to your mother -in- law. It is great that she has such a supporting family. Inaccurate information given in her case is unacceptable. If inaccurate medical information is being given to the family of David Price, that would be unacceptable as well. If I receive biased or slightly inaccurate information about the David Price injury - ho hum - that is the way it goes. i will still watch them.

[harmony]

If you put the quote into context Price said that because if he was not ready to throw off a mound in 7-10 days he did not want the press speculating. its very sad that you are always trying to get my goat.

Peace be with you, my friend.

 

I don't wish to upset anyone.

[harmony]

All my best to your mother -in- law. It is great that she has such a supporting family. Inaccurate information given in her case is unacceptable. If inaccurate medical information is being given to the family of David Price, that would be unacceptable as well. If I receive biased or slightly inaccurate information about the David Price injury - ho hum - that is the way it goes. i will still watch them.

Physicians almost certainly give my mother-in-law and her adult children accurate information. The problem lies in how the adult children relay that information to third parties ... not because they're lying but because the information is complex.

 

I'm not suggesting that Dr. James Andrews has communicated inaccurate information to David Price. I'm simply suggesting the message may lose its precision as it passes through each intermediary.

[Fisk]

Peace be with you, my friend.

 

I don't wish to upset anyone.[/quote

We have something in common our wives our both doctors. My wife is not a physician she has her doctorate in psychology. What we don't have in common is I would never be so obnoxious to go on another teams board and post stuff to irritate the posters of that site, again very sad.

[Fisk]

Physicians almost certainly give my mother-in-law and her adult children accurate information. The problem lies in how the adult children relay that information to third parties ... not because they're lying but because the information is complex.

 

I'm not suggesting that Dr. James Andrews has communicated inaccurate information to David Price. I'm simply suggesting the message may lose its precision as it passes through each intermediary.

Yeah no.if the info that was being passed down was inaccurate, I would imagine DR Andrews would correct it , to protect his reputation.

[harmony]

Yeah no.if the info that was being passed down was inaccurate, I would imagine DR Andrews would correct it , to protect his reputation.

Dr. Andrews remains restricted by the confidentiality provisions of HIPAA (the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996).

 

I hope David Price returns in full strength in time to make a few strong Spring Training starts.

[FredLynn]

Dr. Andrews remains restricted by the confidentiality provisions of HIPAA (the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996).

 

I hope David Price returns in full strength in time to make a few strong Spring Training starts.

 

While you are correct that Andrews cannot provide medical information about his patients without their permission, its highly unlikely that Price and Farrell would convert a diagnosis of UCL damage to an injury to the muscle. I cannot imagine a circumstance why they would do that. Of course, we as fans have no right to the medical record or condition of any player at any time. They could be lying....but why?

[Fisk]

While you are correct that Andrews cannot provide medical information about his patients without their permission, its highly unlikely that Price and Farrell would convert a diagnosis of UCL damage to an injury to the muscle. I cannot imagine a circumstance why they would do that. Of course, we as fans have no right to the medical record or condition of any player at any time. They could be lying....but why?

 

There is no why, it would make absolutely no sense to lie.

[harmony]

While you are correct that Andrews cannot provide medical information about his patients without their permission, its highly unlikely that Price and Farrell would convert a diagnosis of UCL damage to an injury to the muscle. I cannot imagine a circumstance why they would do that. Of course, we as fans have no right to the medical record or condition of any player at any time. They could be lying....but why?

I for one have never suggested that David Price or John Farrell was lying. I've read second-hand information that gives a positive spin to the injury.

 

Farrell called the post-visit report the "best-case scenario." I was puzzled that having your $210 million starter on the shelf for seven to 10 days would be the "best-case scenario." The best-case scenario would be that the injury was a false alarm, a pinched nerve remedied by two hours of physical therapy, with Price expected to make his next scheduled start.

 

The seven-to-10 days report could well be the better-case scenario in that the report would be better than an immediate need for Tommy John surgery.

 

Let's hope this episode will be long-forgotten in September (or October) as Price concludes a successful season.

[jacksonianmarch]

Andrews didn't find evidence of a UCL injury. Flexor strains can mask one. One of the best things we as physicians have is called the tincture of time. Given a suitable amount of time, if your diagnosis doesn't improve with typical therapy, then you question the diagnosis. Give David some time and he should improve. My statements are based on the supposition that he could be wrong, and I'll tell you right now that all of us, no matter how prestigious, have made mistakes. And for him, the "mistake" may only be in the limitation of the technology or maybe he is entirely right and he'll be fine in a few weeks. The fact I am trying to construe is that he's not out of the woods yet and TJS is still on the table as the diagnosis is a known masquerader of a UCL injury. That is all I am saying here.

[moonslav59]

Andrews didn't find evidence of a UCL injury. Flexor strains can mask one. One of the best things we as physicians have is called the tincture of time. Given a suitable amount of time, if your diagnosis doesn't improve with typical therapy, then you question the diagnosis. Give David some time and he should improve. My statements are based on the supposition that he could be wrong, and I'll tell you right now that all of us, no matter how prestigious, have made mistakes. And for him, the "mistake" may only be in the limitation of the technology or maybe he is entirely right and he'll be fine in a few weeks. The fact I am trying to construe is that he's not out of the woods yet and TJS is still on the table as the diagnosis is a known masquerader of a UCL injury. That is all I am saying here.

 

Thanks for your valuable insight.

 

It's nice to have knowledgeable posters in times like this.

[notin]

Physicians almost certainly give my mother-in-law and her adult children accurate information. The problem lies in how the adult children relay that information to third parties ... not because they're lying but because the information is complex.

 

I'm not suggesting that Dr. James Andrews has communicated inaccurate information to David Price. I'm simply suggesting the message may lose its precision as it passes through each intermediary.

 

As a child, we all played "telephone" or whatever you called that game where the same message was relayed from person to person and changed along the way, sometimes drastically. ..

[mvp 78]

As a child, we all played "telephone" or whatever you called that game where the same message was relayed from person to person and changed along the way, sometimes drastically. ..

 

Especially when Price said that after he heard it was a best case scenario that he just stopped listening.

 

When people are posting that they will only listen to what Dr Andrews said, it's kinda weird that it's all being funneled through Price who is a very biased source. There's no comment from even the Sox training staff.

 

There is a huge difference between hoping that Price will be ok and knowing that he'll be ok. All Jacko has said is that there may be an underlying problem. Seems obvious enough to me.

[Fisk]

Damn you guys think worst case scenario. Can't live my life thinking worst case.

[FredLynn]

I for one have never suggested that David Price or John Farrell was lying. I've read second-hand information that gives a positive spin to the injury.

 

Farrell called the post-visit report the "best-case scenario." I was puzzled that having your $210 million starter on the shelf for seven to 10 days would be the "best-case scenario." The best-case scenario would be that the injury was a false alarm, a pinched nerve remedied by two hours of physical therapy, with Price expected to make his next scheduled start.

 

The seven-to-10 days report could well be the better-case scenario in that the report would be better than an immediate need for Tommy John surgery.

 

Let's hope this episode will be long-forgotten in September (or October) as Price concludes a successful season.

 

I think Farrell was referring to the "best case scenerio" by saying that of the reasonable choices available, it was the best case. No one in their right mind though this was a pinched nerve. The two most like sites of injury were: ligament or muscle. Furthermore, I for one am not expecting that after the re-evaluation in 7-10 days Price will be good to go. He may need longer. That time period was just the earliest possible time that he might begin rehab. And as Jacko said below, he is far from being out of the woods; TJS is still very much on the table. That said, as happened with Andrew Miller in June 2015, sometimes a flexor mass strain is just a flexor mass strain. I am optimistic that thats all it is.

[Kimmi]

So?

 

Does that mean that everything ( especially his expertise in things medical ) he says should be discredited?

 

At the very least one should take it from whence it comes.

 

Whatever.

 

I don't discredit what Jacko says, medical wise or baseball wise. He is very knowledgeable in both fields.

 

However, I do think he's trying to put a damper on the good news that we received.

[Fisk]

I don't discredit what Jacko says, medical wise or baseball wise. He is very knowledgeable in both fields.

 

However, I do think he's trying to put a damper on the good news that we received.

Yes he is, but now one seems to think its good news.

[SCM33]

I don't discredit what Jacko says, medical wise or baseball wise. He is very knowledgeable in both fields.

 

However, I do think he's trying to put a damper on the good news that we received.

 

Yes he is, but now one seems to think its good news.

 

Has anyone come out and said anything about no ligament tears? They said he doesn't need surgery, but has anyone actually said there are no ligament tears?

[Kimmi]

Yeah no.if the info that was being passed down was inaccurate, I would imagine DR Andrews would correct it , to protect his reputation.

 

Absolutely. He might not correct it publicly due to privacy laws, but he would certainly notify Price and/or the team and let them know that what Price was saying was inaccurate.