Price out with forearm soreness

[Fisk]

Has anyone come out and said anything about no ligament tears? They said he doesn't need surgery, but has anyone actually said there are no ligament tears?

 

Yes the issue is his muscle not his ligament.

[Kimmi]

Especially when Price said that after he heard it was a best case scenario that he just stopped listening.

 

When people are posting that they will only listen to what Dr Andrews said, it's kinda weird that it's all being funneled through Price who is a very biased source. There's no comment from even the Sox training staff.

 

There is a huge difference between hoping that Price will be ok and knowing that he'll be ok. All Jacko has said is that there may be an underlying problem. Seems obvious enough to me.

 

I don't think any of us 'know' that Price will be okay. All I've said is that I'm comfortable with what I'm hearing from Price and Farrell, which leaves me optimistic about him returning sooner rather than later. I fully understand that there's a good chance that he won't be ready to throw when they re-evaluate in 10 days, but nor do I think he will be out for 1/2 the season or more.

 

As far as Price misinterpreting what Dr. Andrews said, I believe that if Price (or Farrell) were saying things that were not correct, someone would correct him privately. Maybe Dr. Andrews would contact Price himself, or the team doctors, who would certainly have the correct diagnosis given to them from Dr. Andrews himself, would correct Price.

[Kimmi]

Has anyone come out and said anything about no ligament tears? They said he doesn't need surgery, but has anyone actually said there are no ligament tears?

 

Yes, they have said the issue is with the muscle, not the ligament.

[Kimmi]

Yes the issue is his muscle not his ligament.

 

Oops, sorry for repeating what you said.

[SCM33]

I don't think any of us 'know' that Price will be okay. All I've said is that I'm comfortable with what I'm hearing from Price and Farrell, which leaves me optimistic about him returning sooner rather than later. I fully understand that there's a good chance that he won't be ready to throw when they re-evaluate in 10 days, but nor do I think he will be out for 1/2 the season or more.

 

As far as Price misinterpreting what Dr. Andrews said, I believe that if Price (or Farrell) were saying things that were not correct, someone would correct him privately. Maybe Dr. Andrews would contact Price himself, or the team doctors, who would certainly have the correct diagnosis given to them from Dr. Andrews himself, would correct Price.

 

Luckily, Sox medical staff have always been open and honest, and for the most part correct about their diagnosis's. (sarcasm)

 

The only way we will know, is by watching him pitch when he eventually takes the ball again.

[Kimmi]

Luckily, Sox medical staff have always been open and honest, and for the most part correct about their diagnosis's. (sarcasm)

 

The only way we will know, is by watching him pitch when he eventually takes the ball again.

 

Price has made several comments about what Andrews and ElAttache said. Not just the diagnosis, but how they both said his elbow looked much better than what they thought they would see, and how Price has a unique elbow that heals itself.

 

I would be very surprised if Price were making such statements falsely and neither doctor felt the professional or moral obligation to correct him.

 

That said, I do agree that we won't really know what's going on until he pitches again, or doesn't.

[jacksonianmarch]

Kimmi, patients can say whatever they want to the press and we are HIPAA bound not to respond no matter what. A patient can state an old faced lie to a paper and we have to stay silent. So waiting for Andrews to make a public comment is a waste of time, if he does say something, he could be violated

[Kimmi]

Kimmi, patients can say whatever they want to the press and we are HIPAA bound not to respond no matter what. A patient can state an old faced lie to a paper and we have to stay silent. So waiting for Andrews to make a public comment is a waste of time, if he does say something, he could be violated

 

I am not suggesting that Andrews would make a public statement. I would think he'd call Price or the team doctors and correct Price privately if Price is misinterpreting or falsifying what Dr. Andrews said.

[Kimmi]

Also, if Price is publicly falsifying what Dr. Andrews said, I would think Andrews would have some sort of law protecting him against having his reputation possibly called into question.

[Fisk]

Again there is no reason for Price or the team to falsify the diagnosis, that would be ridiculous.

[jacksonianmarch]

Kimmi, there isn't. I have seen it first hand. Even if a patient makes outright lies to the press about their care, we are bound by HIPAA not to respond. This was confirmed through district court in a local case a few years back. The patient's right to privacy and the freedom of the press supersedes accuracy or he truth. Now, the hospital entity or physician can sue for libel afterwards, but that's typically not a good PR move on behalf of the provider's in question

[jacksonianmarch]

Fisk, I'm. I'm not saying they are. But they don't have to tell the truth. Not saying they aren't, but they don't have to

[harmony]

Kimmi, patients can say whatever they want to the press and we are HIPAA bound not to respond no matter what. A patient can state an old faced lie to a paper and we have to stay silent. So waiting for Andrews to make a public comment is a waste of time, if he does say something, he could be violated

David Price is not the first high-profile patient for Dr. James Andrews, who had this to say about HIPAA:

 

"With professionals it gets even more complicated, because you've still got the patient and the mother to worry about -- I don't care how old they are -- but also the agents, the team doctor, the trainer, the physical therapist, the coach, management. And the most difficult, nowadays, is the press. The press has no idea about HIPAA laws -- about violating confidentiality. And if you don't handle it properly, they'll just say whatever they want to say. So it just gets more complicated as you go up the ladder."

 

http://www.vox.com/2014/6/13/5803496/an-interview-with-dr-james-andrews-the-man-whos-operated-on-all-your

Edited March 8, 2017 by harmony

[Fisk]

Fisk, I'm. I'm not saying they are. But they don't have to tell the truth. Not saying they aren't, but they don't have to

 

I agree they don't have to tell the truth , there is no reason not to. If the worst happens and Price is out for the season they are not trading for a replacement, no one currently available would be an upgrade to there rotation, except for Quintana, and they would not go there.

 

For depth they could sign a Fister or Colby Lewis for a very cheap major league deal.

[FredLynn]

Kimmi, there isn't. I have seen it first hand. Even if a patient makes outright lies to the press about their care, we are bound by HIPAA not to respond. This was confirmed through district court in a local case a few years back. The patient's right to privacy and the freedom of the press supersedes accuracy or he truth. Now, the hospital entity or physician can sue for libel afterwards, but that's typically not a good PR move on behalf of the provider's in question

 

No, there isn't a law that forces a patient to accurately relay to anyone else what a doctor has told him. And its unlikely that the doctor would initiate a call to his or her patient to ask them to stop propagating a lie. That said, how likely is it that both Price and Farrell are both lying about the diagnosis and prognosis, as best Dr Andrews, the world's expert on these injuries, knows? I can understand some misinterpretation, but seriously, LIGAMENT and MUSCLE are not spelled the same. Its entirely possible that Andrews covered the possibility of occult injury to the UCL in his discussions, and that that was left out of what Price and Farrell had to say. Every one of us knows by now that its possible that Andrews missed the diagnosis and that Price may still undergo TJS. I would envision that the conversation went something like this: Andrews: "Based on the results of your examination and of your MRI in my judgement you have not suffered any damage to your UCL and that the most likely cause of your discomfort is a sprain of your flexor tendon mass. I do not recommend either surgery or an injection, therefore, at this time-just rest and anti-inflammatory medications. After 7-10 days of treatment we will re-evaluate how you are doing. If your clinical course is not consistent with my diagnosis additional tests may be indicated". Now doesn't that sound reasonable? Some of us are more comfortable than others in accepting what Andrews likely said without assuming that Price misinterpreted Dr A. NONE of us assume that he is out of the woods until he starts pitching effectively. I for one believe, based on what has been written, that its more likely than not that Price will be pitching for the Red Sox again sooner rather than later.

Edited March 8, 2017 by FredLynn

[Kimmi]

Farrell said today that Price would start throwing on Friday or Saturday if he feels up to it. It sounds like Price is progressing well.

[Kimmi]

Kimmi, there isn't. I have seen it first hand. Even if a patient makes outright lies to the press about their care, we are bound by HIPAA not to respond. This was confirmed through district court in a local case a few years back. The patient's right to privacy and the freedom of the press supersedes accuracy or he truth. Now, the hospital entity or physician can sue for libel afterwards, but that's typically not a good PR move on behalf of the provider's in question

 

Okay, fair enough. You would certainly know about that better than I would.

 

I don't think that Price is deliberately trying to mislead anyone about his diagnosis. If he has misinterpreted what Dr. Andrews told him, I believe that someone would have pulled him aside and told him that what he believes was not the case. JMO

[Fisk]

Price had 25 throws into a net today, Farrell said he had free range of motion. Good news

[Kimmi]

Price had 25 throws into a net today, Farrell said he had free range of motion. Good news

 

Very good news. Farrell also said that his strength tests were normal.

 

Price could still have a setback, but as of now it sounds like he won't miss too much of the start of the season.

[mvp 78]

Very good news. Farrell also said that his strength tests were normal.

 

Price could still have a setback, but as of now it sounds like he won't miss too much of the start of the season.

Seems like? How do we know if he hasn't thrown off a mound yet?

[Behindenemylines]

Very good news. Farrell also said that his strength tests were normal.

 

Price could still have a setback, but as of now it sounds like he won't miss too much of the start of the season.

 

Price has throw a lot of innings the last few seasons so maybe it wouldn't be so bad not to rush him back and have him start the season later.

[FredLynn]

Seems like? How do we know if he hasn't thrown off a mound yet?

 

Exactly. The only barometer of how he is doing is him pitching effectively and without pain. That is some time away yet.

[Kimmi]

Seems like? How do we know if he hasn't thrown off a mound yet?

 

Excuse me for being optimistic.

 

IMO, he is progressing very nicely.

 

Again, I'm aware that there could always be a setback, but I like what I am hearing and reading so far.

[Fisk]

Excuse me for being optimistic.

 

IMO, he is progressing very nicely.

 

Again, I'm aware that there could always be a setback, but I like what I am hearing and reading so far.

 

You should be optimistic, 10 days after the original report he is throwing. Nothing negative has been reported since he visited the 2 experts on elbows.

 

I have no knowledge how the elbow works, but I trust the 2 experts and the Sox. Especially since they have almost 190 million still left on the contract.

[Kimmi]

You should be optimistic, 10 days after the original report he is throwing. Nothing negative has been reported since he visited the 2 experts on elbows.

 

I have no knowledge how the elbow works, but I trust the 2 experts and the Sox. Especially since they have almost 190 million still left on the contract.

 

Exactly Fisk.

[a700hitter]

Is he worth a first round fantasy pick?

[Fisk]

Is he worth a first round fantasy pick?

 

Probably not going to guess he misses the first month of the season.

[Kimmi]

Is he worth a first round fantasy pick?

 

1. I make it a point never to have Red Sox players on my team.

2. I don't think Price would be worth a first round fantasy pick if he were fully healthy.

3. What does that have to do with being optimistic about his progress anyway?

[mvp 78]

Excuse me for being optimistic.

 

IMO, he is progressing very nicely.

 

Again, I'm aware that there could always be a setback, but I like what I am hearing and reading so far.

 

Because of your rosy outlook, everything you read and hear will always sound good. To a pessimist, everything they read and hear will always sound bad.

 

For me, all I'm saying is it's too early to tell what will happen with Price. He hasn't thrown off the mound, pitched a simulated game, or thrown back to back starts without feeling discomfort. Until he actually pitches in a game, I'm not going to guess on how long he'll be out.

[mvp 78]

http://www.espn.com/blog/boston/red-sox/post/_/id/51985/what-do-we-really-know-about-david-prices-elbow

 

But the questions about Price's health linger. For one thing, it isn't entirely clear what was so wrong with the Red Sox's $217 million man that he jetted off to the NFL scouting combine in Indianapolis on March 3 for an urgent consultation with Drs. James Andrews and Neal ElAttrache, two prominent orthopedic surgeons.

 

If Price knows, he isn't saying. But he insists he doesn't actually know...

 

Without knowing more about what was wrong, it's impossible to handicap the odds of it recurring. Moreover, there's no telling what sort of pitcher the Red Sox can expect to see whenever Price is ready to pitch again. He maintained that he isn't putting a timetable on such things, though he said he feels better to this point than he anticipated.