Price out with forearm soreness

[Kimmi]

Well s***... Now watch Buchholz make 25+ starts for the Phillies with a sub-3.50 ERA.

 

That would be our luck.

 

This news about Price really has me bummed. I am confident that our team is still a contender without Price, but our pitching depth took a big hit that it couldn't afford to take. Our starting pitching depth was weak with a healthy Price. It will be all that much more of a concern if Price is out for a long time.

 

I really wish we would have kept Buchholz.

[Northern Star]

Also, thanks Ben. Whether it's his fault or not, it's his fault.

[Kimmi]

Has any good ever come from a second opinion from Dr Andrews? Ever?

 

Speaking of AC/DC, looks like our title hopes might be Shot Down In Flames.

 

I don't care what pitching we have or don't have, I don't miss Bucholz for a nanosecond. Good riddance to inconsistent garbage.

 

There have been some pitchers who go to see him more for peace of mind than anything else. Beckett comes to mind.

 

I would take Buchholz back even if Price is 100% healthy.

[moonslav59]

...looks like our title hopes might be Shot Down In Flames....

 

Why? From what I understand, Price sucks in the clutch, so maybe we'll be better off.

 

 

...just kidding!

[a700hitter]

I travel and miss looking at the board for one day and I come back to see this! Good grief!

[Fisk]

Hopefully he's fine. This sucks.

[oldtimer]

...looks like our title hopes might be Shot Down In Flames....

 

Why? From what I understand, Price sucks in the clutch, so maybe we'll be better off.

 

 

...just kidding!

 

The Sox risk assessment on Price, a pitcher who has been remarkably durable but has had years of high pitch count, was we should go in big and provide a 7 year huge financial contract. Frankly. whoever is doing the risk assessment for the Sox must lack the one most needed trait and that is common sense. I hope for the best here but see it as only a matter of time before this contract is added to those recent mind bogglers the Sox have entered into.

[Northern Star]

I travel and miss looking at the board for one day and I come back to see this! Good grief!

 

So what you're saying is it's your fault?

[Northern Star]

The Sox risk assessment on Price, a pitcher who has been remarkably durable but has had years of high pitch count, was we should go in big and provide a 7 year huge financial contract. Frankly. whoever is doing the risk assessment for the Sox must lack the one most needed trait and that is common sense. I hope for the best here but see it as only a matter of time before this contract is added to those recent mind bogglers the Sox have entered into.

 

This was where they painted themselves in a corner with this idiotic strategy of Ben's and refusal to pay what it takes to get quality arms older than 30. Price wasn't just the best option, pretty much the only option and they paid the price (no pun intended). Could have had Lester for less if they hadn't f***ed around and f***ed up.

 

Now, we all know Price takes you so far before s***ing the bed every single time, but having put themselves in that position, were they supposed to wait another year and hope someone better (ie better priced) came along?

[Slasher9]

He was right there the whole time. Jonny. Cueto.

[notin]

It might be nice to still have Buch, but I'm glad we shed his salary and the grief of always wondering when his next injury was going to occur.

 

We can find a good starter who costs less than him, if we need one.

 

Hmmmm... get a good starter who makes less than Buchholz? For who? The farm doesn't have the depth it once had.

 

The Sox should have kept Buchholz. Now they're going to have to trade away Devers and/or Travis and/or Groome in order to get a pitcher who MIGHT be as good as Clay was...

 

..

[notin]

Has any good ever come from a second opinion from Dr Andrews? Ever?

 

Speaking of AC/DC, looks like our title hopes might be Shot Down In Flames..

 

I said that same thing about the Cardinals when Adam Wainwright went down for TJ surgery one March...

[LaLuna]

So if Price goes down, we have what, the second best rotation in the AL?

[Eddy Ballgame]

Hmmmm... get a good starter who makes less than Buchholz? For who? The farm doesn't have the depth it once had.

 

The Sox should have kept Buchholz. Now they're going to have to trade away Devers and/or Travis and/or Groome in order to get a pitcher who MIGHT be as good as Clay was...

 

..

 

If Price undergoes TJ surgery and is done for the year, they aren't going to trade Devers, Travis or Groome for a pitcher for lots of reasons. 2017 isn't win or bust. They aren't losing anyone of significance after this year. They should still be in the hunt barring anymore "significant" injuries to the rotation.

 

Dombrowski is still in shock he was able to get Sale without trading Benintendi, Devers or Swihart, who were all deal breakers "apparently." He's also said several times in the nicest, most professional way possible that he couldn't believe how much Moncada sucked last year in his debut. He literally takes 10 seconds in between every word when asked about him.

[a700hitter]

I am expecting a very depressing Friday.

[Eddy Ballgame]

I am expecting a very depressing Friday.

 

Yep...10 titles in 4 sports since the turn of the century, but we still expect the worst. That's not going to change for any of us who were born before 1990.

[cp176]

If you were born and raised in New England, you might be right. If you expect the worst, anything positive seems petty good! lol

Most of us, can't say all, will suffer a little right along with Price if he is out but I think that we will survive it. E-Rod, Pomeranz, and Wright if healthy I am going to bet will more than pick up the slack.

[Fisk]

If you were born and raised in New England, you might be right. If you expect the worst, anything positive seems petty good! lol

Most of us, can't say all, will suffer a little right along with Price if he is out but I think that we will survive it. E-Rod, Pomeranz, and Wright if healthy I am going to bet will more than pick up the slack.

 

We can survive it, but the rest of the 5 starters need to stay healthy, I'm not to confident of that. Keeping fingers crossed for positive news today.

[jacksonianmarch]

You have the three horses up front so the three injury plagued guys from 2016 need only fill two spots. You've got one guy with a balky knee, another with a bad elbow and another with a bad shoulder. The likelihood that those guys give you 230IP of production in one spot while locking down the 4 and 5 is low

[Fisk]

You have the three horses up front so the three injury plagued guys from 2016 need only fill two spots. You've got one guy with a balky knee, another with a bad elbow and another with a bad shoulder. The likelihood that those guys give you 230IP of production in one spot while locking down the 4 and 5 is low

 

Thanks for that information much needed.

[mvp 78]

Speaking of AC/DC, looks like our title hopes might be Shot Down In Flames.

 

Baby, Please Don't Go (to Dr James Andrews)

[mvp 78]

Yep...10 titles in 4 sports since the turn of the century, but we still expect the worst. That's not going to change for any of us who were born before 1990.

 

Heeeey, we got that PMA!

[moonslav59]

You have the three horses up front so the three injury plagued guys from 2016 need only fill two spots. You've got one guy with a balky knee, another with a bad elbow and another with a bad shoulder. The likelihood that those guys give you 230IP of production in one spot while locking down the 4 and 5 is low

 

I just think we need about 360-400 IP from ERod, Wright and Pom combined. I think that is very doable. Last year, those three pitched over 430 IP.

 

If Price misses a lot of time, we'll probably need over 500.

[SoxnCycles]

So if Price goes down, we have what, the second best rotation in the AL?

 

Yup, the addition of Sale takes a lot of the sting out of the Price news.

Hopefully, it's not a TJ problem.

I want Price out there pitching.

If he's not, it lessens the chance he opts out at the end of next season.

[mvp 78]

Update not expected until this afternoon. Make sure you all eat a nice lunch and chase it with some pepto.

[moonslav59]

March 3: Farrell said the Red Sox won’t get further word on Price’s elbow until at least the late afternoon today, tweets Jen McCaffrey of MassLive.com.

 

March 2, 3:43pm: Price will receive opinions from both Andrews and ElAttrache in Indianapolis tomorrow, tweets Britton. (The renowned surgeons are both there for this week’s NFL combine.) Jason Mastrodonato of the Boston Herald tweets that Farrell said the initial MRI revealed some swelling and fluid buildup but offered “inconclusive” results overall. Peter Abraham of the Boston Globe tweets that Price himself is optimistic that the injury isn’t serious.

[harmony]

You have the three horses up front so the three injury plagued guys from 2016 need only fill two spots. You've got one guy with a balky knee, another with a bad elbow and another with a bad shoulder. The likelihood that those guys give you 230IP of production in one spot while locking down the 4 and 5 is low

Regardless of David Price's plight, the Red Sox should probably add to the starter-depth dog pile that currently includes Kyle Kendrick, Brian Johnson, Roenis Elias and Henry Owens. Spreading the risk across eight sub-starters is probably wiser than spreading the risk across only those four.

 

This week Seattle GM Jerry Dipoto made his 40th trade to acquire more rotation depth in 23-year-old righthander Chase De Jong, the 2016 Texas League Pitcher of the Year. De Jong joins Chris Heston, Rob Whalen, Dillon Overton and Max Povse as rotation depth acquired this offseason to complement Ariel Miranda, Cody Martin and Andrew Moore. I think of Miranda as a poor man's Eduardo Rodriguez or a rich man's Roenis Elias. Like Rodriguez, Miranda was a southpaw dealt by the Baltimore Orioles at a trade deadline. Like Elias, Miranda is a 28-year-old Cuban lefthander. Miranda finished the 2016 season in the Seattle rotation with an ERA of 3.54 in 11 appearances, including 10 starts, and has looked strong in two Spring Training starts. The lefty is likely to be the first option if a member of Seattle's five-man rotation falters.

 

Which could happen. Felix Hernandez, James Paxton, Hisashi Iwakuma, Drew Smyly and Yovani Gallardo come with varying degrees of injury concerns. A year ago Seattle traded for two American League East starters -- Wade Miley and Nate Karns -- with disappointing results. Nonplussed, this offseason the Mariners traded for two more AL East starters -- Smyly and Gallardo -- with hopes of better results.

 

I apologize for going off on a tangent.

 

After writing the post above I read this Seattle Times piece quoting the Mariner GM about the new acquisition, Chase De Jong:

Opposing scouts have had similar descriptions about De Jong’s stuff and repertoire. Dipoto shrugged it off.

 

“I disagree with it,” he said. “We see pitchers differently than maybe your ordinary scout. Chase De Jong, Andrew Moore, Max Povse are all three cut from a very similar cloth. Polished strike throwing means something. You pile up enough of those guys, someone is going to wind up being a third starter and someone is going to wind up being a fourth starter and one will wind up being a durable innings guys. Not every guy is going to be a drive-by marquee name. These are the guys that have a chance to take the middle spots of your rotation and get you through the long season as strike throwers that know how to manage at-bats.”

 

As he is known to do, Dipoto pulled a comparison.

 

“Lo and behold, one day Kyle Hendricks turns into Kyle Hendricks,” Dipoto said referencing the Cubs’ pitcher, who went 16-8 with a 2.13 ERA last season. “And every scout in the world is wearing egg on their face because sometimes guys like that turn into Greg Maddux.”

http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/mariners/after-the-initial-shock-of-being-traded-right-hander-chase-de-jong-is-excited-to-join-the-mariners/

Edited March 3, 2017 by harmony

[moonslav59]

Regardless of David Price's plight, the Red Sox should probably add to the starter-depth dog pile that currently includes Kyle Kendrick, Brian Johnson, Roenis Elias and Henry Owens. Spreading the risk across eight sub-starters is probably wiser than spreading the risk across only those four.

 

This week Seattle GM Jerry Dipoto made his 40th trade to acquire more rotation depth in 23-year-old righthander Chase De Jong, the 2016 Texas League Pitcher of the Year. De Jong joins Chris Heston, Rob Whalen, Dillon Overton and Max Povse as rotation depth acquired this offseason to complement Ariel Miranda, Cody Martin and Andrew Moore. I think of Miranda as a poor man's Eduardo Rodriguez or a rich man's Roenis Elias. Like Rodriguez, Miranda was a southpaw dealt by the Baltimore Orioles at a trade deadline. Like Elias, Miranda is a 28-year-old Cuban lefthander. Miranda finished the 2016 season in the Seattle rotation with an ERA of 3.54 in 11 appearances, including 10 starts, and has looked strong in two Spring Training starts. The lefty is likely to be the first option if a member of Seattle's five-man rotation falters.

 

Which could happen. Felix Hernandez, James Paxton, Hisashi Iwakuma, Drew Smyly and Yovani Gallardo come with varying degrees of injury concerns. A year ago Seattle traded for two American League East starters -- Wade Miley and Nate Karns -- with disappointing results. Nonplussed, this offseason the Mariners traded for two more AL East starters -- Smyly and Gallardo -- with hopes of better results.

 

I apologize for going off on a tangent.

 

We could try Workman as a starter again, or possibly move Kelly back to that role, despite his tiny sample size of success as a RP'er last fall.

 

I doubt we move Barnes to starter, but he might do well there. He's looked good in the pen, so I'd hate to mess him up.

 

My guess is that Elias or Johnson will be our first look candidates with Kendrick and Owens in the next tier.

 

If all 4 fail, and we don't want to try Workman, Kelly or Barnes, we can look for a mid season pick-up.

[mvp 78]

We could try Workman as a starter again, or possibly move Kelly back to that role, despite his tiny sample size of success as a RP'er last fall.

 

I doubt we move Barnes to starter, but he might do well there. He's looked good in the pen, so I'd hate to mess him up.

 

My guess is that Elias or Johnson will be our first look candidates with Kendrick and Owens in the next tier.

 

If all 4 fail, and we don't want to try Workman, Kelly or Barnes, we can look for a mid season pick-up.

 

In order of preference, I'd go:

 

Kendrick, Elias, Owens, Johnson, Workman, Kelly

 

I really like Kelly out of the pen. No reason to move him around.

[mvp 78]

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