3rd Third III

[moonslav59]

While Frazier's BA is low, he's walking more. His OBP has been between .303 and .309 for the last 3 years.

 

.309 is nothing to be happy about, but it's considerably better than the .255 OBP we have had at 3B season.

 

We've talked about Pablo's steady decline while at SF, well, Frazier's SLG has declined recently:

 

.498 in 2015 at age 29

 

.464 in 2016 at age 30

 

.411 in 2017 at age 31

 

The other scary thing about Frazier is that he has been a first half hitter most of his career, and he's way behind his normal numbers at this point of the year.

 

Career:

 

1st half .819

 

2nd half: .721

 

If we take the .721 number and add the regression factor, his 2nd half of 2017 offensive projection would not look too promising.

 

 

[oldtimer]

While Frazier's BA is low, he's walking more. His OBP has been between .303 and .309 for the last 3 years.

 

.309 is nothing to be happy about, but it's considerably better than the .255 OBP we have had at 3B season.

 

We've talked about Pablo's steady decline while at SF, well, Frazier's SLG has declined recently:

 

.498 in 2015 at age 29

 

.464 in 2016 at age 30

 

.411 in 2017 at age 31

 

The other scary thing about Frazier is that he has been a first half hitter most of his career, and he's way behind his normal numbers at this point of the year.

 

Career:

 

1st half .819

 

2nd half: .721

 

If we take the .721 number and add the regression factor, his 2nd half of 2017 offensive projection would not look too promising.

 

 

 

The more reasons to give Devers a try. Maybe he would bring some youth and enthusiasm into the club that desperately needs it.

[notin]

The more reasons to give Devers a try. Maybe he would bring some youth and enthusiasm into the club that desperately needs it.

 

 

Im ok with enthusiasm, but does this team really need more youth?

[oldtimer]

While Frazier's BA is low, he's walking more. His OBP has been between .303 and .309 for the last 3 years.

 

.309 is nothing to be happy about, but it's considerably better than the .255 OBP we have had at 3B season.

 

We've talked about Pablo's steady decline while at SF, well, Frazier's SLG has declined recently:

 

.498 in 2015 at age 29

 

.464 in 2016 at age 30

 

.411 in 2017 at age 31

 

The other scary thing about Frazier is that he has been a first half hitter most of his career, and he's way behind his normal numbers at this point of the year.

 

Career:

 

1st half .819

 

2nd half: .721

 

If we take the .721 number and add the regression factor, his 2nd half of 2017 offensive projection would not look too promising.

 

 

 

The preseason ML baseball player outlook was a follows:

 

Player Outlook

 

The good: Todd Frazier slugged a career-best 40 home runs in his first season with the Chicago White Sox.

 

The bad: His batting average plummeted 30 points to .225. Even with the power surge, he finished with an only slightly-above-average .767 OPS (109 OPS+) and he saw a steep decline in both DRS (6 to -2) and UZR/150 (7.5 to -3.6) in the field.

 

It's fair to assume his days are numbered with the rebuilding White Sox, and even if he isn't traded, he's almost certain to walk in free agency next winter.

So far this year his BA have continued to drop and his power looks to be in the 25 HR category max. I would not bring him into the sox

[moonslav59]

Im ok with enthusiasm, but does this team really need more youth?

 

Our oldest player is only about 33 (Pedey and Young).

 

I do see a lack of "fire", but I don't think it is related to any lack of youth..

[oldtimer]

Our oldest player is only about 33 (Pedey and Young).

 

I do see a lack of "fire", but I don't think it is related to any lack of youth..

 

Sometimes just a change in personnel or the way things are being done can restore confidence and get things going. We can't make wholesale changes, but we all know that Pablo isn't contributing and Hanley appears to be injured, so put him on the DL and bring up someone who wants to and can play.

[StephenCurry30]

I don't think hanley ever wants to play. he's lazy and just wants to hit homers and half assedly play defense.

[moonslav59]

Sometimes just a change in personnel or the way things are being done can restore confidence and get things going. We can't make wholesale changes, but we all know that Pablo isn't contributing and Hanley appears to be injured, so put him on the DL and bring up someone who wants to and can play.

 

HRam played tonight.

 

I doubt we DFA Pablo anytime soon, but Rutledge sure is playing a lot Lately, so Pablo sure does seem like a wasted roster spot, if he only plays when we face a righty and we have a righty starter pitching.

 

[oldtimer]

HRam played tonight.

 

I doubt we DFA Pablo anytime soon, but Rutledge sure is playing a lot Lately, so Pablo sure does seem like a wasted roster spot, if he only plays when we face a righty and we have a righty starter pitching.

 

 

Agreed. This team needs players who can fill in when guys get tired or slightly injured. Right now, we are okay in the outfield and catcher, so the infield where we need help. Rutledge is doing a decent job as a fill in player. Hanley seems to be only a DH. That leaves us with Pablo who can only fill in at 3rd and not well then. The answer seems obvious except for the salary issue. Rutledge can fill in at 2nd, short or 3rd. So we need a fill in player who can play first or 3rd. We have them in the minors. The time to act seems to have come and only the Sox front office hasn't got the message.

[moonslav59]

Agreed. This team needs players who can fill in when guys get tired or slightly injured. Right now, we are okay in the outfield and catcher, so the infield where we need help. Rutledge is doing a decent job as a fill in player. Hanley seems to be only a DH. That leaves us with Pablo who can only fill in at 3rd and not well then. The answer seems obvious except for the salary issue. Rutledge can fill in at 2nd, short or 3rd. So we need a fill in player who can play first or 3rd. We have them in the minors. The time to act seems to have come and only the Sox front office hasn't got the message.

 

I don't think "the time" has to be right now.

 

If Devers is not ready, then keeping Pablo around has some merit, especially when you look at his contract.

[mvp 78]

4 HRs in last 6 games for Devers. Might as well just let him beat up on pitching that he can clearly handle.

 

At this point, they must be holding him in AA so that he can play in the AS game and then a quick promotion to AAA. I'd still bring him up now.

[oldtimer]

4 HRs in last 6 games for Devers. Might as well just let him beat up on pitching that he can clearly handle.

 

At this point, they must be holding him in AA so that he can play in the AS game and then a quick promotion to AAA. I'd still bring him up now.

 

I don't pretend to know the situation and the coaches and managers do, but the question remains, Would he be an improvement on Pablo?

[Station 13]

I don't pretend to know the situation and the coaches and managers do, but the question remains, Would he be an improvement on Pablo?

 

Plablito is zero. Sandé Léoni would be better everyday than the Pandé.

[zsmith4331]

Hey guys, first time poster.

Any thoughts on possibly making a move for Zack Cozart? I know he is on the DL right now but should come off in the minimum 10 days according to some reports I have seen. He would be a rental and not block Denvers. Cozart is having a pretty good year at the plate with a little high BABIP but at SS his defensive is excellent or could also have him play 3B, although I don't believe he every has. Obviously if you play Cozart at SS then you would have to move Bogaerts to 3B again. It may not be popular with Bogaerts, however as I don't think he was to happy moving from SS to 3B when they resigned Drew in 2014 mid season.

[Spudboy]

Welcome Hoss.

 

NO. I never like the idea of creating a hole just to TRY to plug another.

 

We had a revolving door at SS for years and having X, JBJ, and Pedroia up the middle is pretty stout defensively.

 

I say stay the course and see how Devers develops.

 

Life sure was simpler when Holt was healthy.

[mvp 78]

Cozart has never played 3B in the bigs. I'd pass as it would be buying high on a guy with a mediocre track record.

[Station 13]

Pandü on the DL with an ear infection.

Avoid him like the plagué.

[a700hitter]

Pandü on the DL with an ear infection.

Avoid him like the plagué.

LOL@ Panda. What a waste!

[S5Dewey]

Hey guys, first time poster.

Any thoughts on possibly making a move for Zack Cozart? I know he is on the DL right now but should come off in the minimum 10 days according to some reports I have seen. He would be a rental and not block Denvers. Cozart is having a pretty good year at the plate with a little high BABIP but at SS his defensive is excellent or could also have him play 3B, although I don't believe he every has. Obviously if you play Cozart at SS then you would have to move Bogaerts to 3B again. It may not be popular with Bogaerts, however as I don't think he was to happy moving from SS to 3B when they resigned Drew in 2014 mid season.

 

Welcome Zs...

 

Ok, your initial post didn't get rave reviews, but don't give up posting. Picking up Cozart wasn't something that I'd seen here before and new ideas always give us something to think about. Keep throwing things against the wall and see what sticks!

[NativeBostonian]

Does anyone really buy that Pablo Sandoval landed on the DL with an ear infection? More like his feelings are hurt.

[zsmith4331]

Welcome Hoss.

 

NO. I never like the idea of creating a hole just to TRY to plug another.

 

We had a revolving door at SS for years and having X, JBJ, and Pedroia up the middle is pretty stout defensively.

 

I say stay the course and see how Devers develops.

 

Life sure was simpler when Holt was healthy.

 

Thanks for the welcome. I'm not sure it would necessarily create a hole especially if you could move Cozart to 3B. SS most definitely has been a revolving door since Nomar, so keeping Bogaerts happy would also seem like the best idea, if there is any hope in signing him long term. This situation has really shed some light on how big of asset Holt is when healthy. As I'm not sure we would even be having such a conversation if there where some sort of platoon going on with Holt and Rutledge.

Welcome Zs...

 

Ok, your initial post didn't get rave reviews, but don't give up posting. Picking up Cozart wasn't something that I'd seen here before and new ideas always give us something to think about. Keep throwing things against the wall and see what sticks!

 

Thanks for the welcome. That's why I threw it out there it out there. I have seen all the Moustakas and Frazier talk, but with KC seemingly back in the AL central race they might not even move Moustakas and he likely won't come cheap. Frazier just doesn't seem like much of an upgrade with the year he is having, I do think he would probably benefit from having some better hitters around him and his bat probably plays a little better at Fenway.

[Kimmi]

Hey guys, first time poster.

Any thoughts on possibly making a move for Zack Cozart? I know he is on the DL right now but should come off in the minimum 10 days according to some reports I have seen. He would be a rental and not block Denvers. Cozart is having a pretty good year at the plate with a little high BABIP but at SS his defensive is excellent or could also have him play 3B, although I don't believe he every has. Obviously if you play Cozart at SS then you would have to move Bogaerts to 3B again. It may not be popular with Bogaerts, however as I don't think he was to happy moving from SS to 3B when they resigned Drew in 2014 mid season.

 

Welcome Z. I don't like the idea of moving Bogaerts off of shortstop because he didn't take to it too well last time they did that.

 

If a solid, but inexpensive trade option can't be found, I'd just go with Devers. As others have said, he can't be any worse than what we've been throwing out there.

[Kimmi]

Does anyone really buy that Pablo Sandoval landed on the DL with an ear infection? More like his feelings are hurt.

 

He may have an ear infection, but putting him on the DL for it is bogus. Has anyone ever heard of a player landing on the DL with an ear infection? I'm not a doctor, but based on experience with my kids, you give them antibiotics and in 24 hours, they're like new.

[a700hitter]

He may have an ear infection, but putting him on the DL for it is bogus. Has anyone ever heard of a player landing on the DL with an ear infection? I'm not a doctor, but based on experience with my kids, you give them antibiotics and in 24 hours, they're like new.

He can't perform anymore at the MLB level. They are easing him out.

[harmony]

He may have an ear infection, but putting him on the DL for it is bogus. Has anyone ever heard of a player landing on the DL with an ear infection? I'm not a doctor, but based on experience with my kids, you give them antibiotics and in 24 hours, they're like new.

[moonslav59]

Next step: 60 Day DL.

[oldtimer]

Next step: 60 Day DL.

 

Other new information to me is that Moreland has a broken toe and Travis was brought up to give him a rest. With Travis up and Pablo down for who knows how long (10 days minimum) and Farrell talking about him needing a rehab assignment, Its likely to be until after the all star break. By then, maybe Devers will be up and Marrero down. That might be our best chance at having a good hitting lineup all the way across the order and with even the subs. Of course Handley has to get over his long cold spell for that to happen.

 

Hope the team comes through for Sale tonight as he deserves support.

[a700hitter]

Next step: 60 Day DL.

After that Palooka-ville.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

He may have an ear infection, but putting him on the DL for it is bogus. Has anyone ever heard of a player landing on the DL with an ear infection? I'm not a doctor, but based on experience with my kids, you give them antibiotics and in 24 hours, they're like new.

 

This was my reaction too. It doesn't happen very often. Perhaps the Red Sox are trying to buy more time here and want to see Sandoval hit in AAA (rehab assignment) before promoting him again. If Sandoval can't hit in AAA, he isn't going to hit in the majors either, and so perhaps this will play out in AAA when he begins his rehab assignment.

 

The division might come down to 1 or 2 games. In that scenario, the Red Sox could lose or win the division based on how many at-bats they give to fringy J.Rutledge. I think Dombrowski needs to make a trade, call the A's for Lowrie or the Giants for Nunez, and get some infield help. They can't keep giving valuable at-bats to Rutledge.

 

We really needed Marco Hernandez to stay healthy this year.....

Edited June 21, 2017 by Fan_since_Boggs

[Slasher9]

He may have an ear infection, but putting him on the DL for it is bogus. Has anyone ever heard of a player landing on the DL with an ear infection? I'm not a doctor, but based on experience with my kids, you give them antibiotics and in 24 hours, they're like new.

 

yup. seems like DD has started the process of permanently removing Panda from the team. trade or Rafi? that is the question.