Rusney Castillo

[S5Dewey]

John Heyman is reporting that Rusney Castillo has been place on outright waivers.

 

http://www.todaysknuckleball.com/knuckleball-news/heyman-rusney-castillo-placed-outright-waivers/

 

I doubt anyone will claim him given his performance vs. his salary, but it's worth a try.

[moonslav59]

John Heyman is reporting that Rusney Castillo has been place on outright waivers.

 

http://www.todaysknuckleball.com/knuckleball-news/heyman-rusney-castillo-placed-outright-waivers/

 

I doubt anyone will claim him given his performance vs. his salary, but it's worth a try.

 

Wow. As badly as he's done, I'm still shocked. Maybe they are thinking they can keep him around like Allen Craig and not have him on the 40 man roster and more importantly not count vs the luxury tax.

[Northern Star]

Thanks Ben.

[mvp 78]

They put Manny through waivers all the time. This is no big deal.

[a700hitter]

It is a move to get him off the 40 man roster like they did with Alan Craig last year. No one will claim him, because he comes with a $50 million price tag, but clearly the Red Sox want nothing to do with him.

[Spudboy]

So he is officially a bust, I guess.

 

I was vocally against signing him in the first place. I told this board that it made little sense to sign a guy you had never seen play in game action and who had not played in about one and a half seasons.

 

Let alone, he was too old to be a player under development at any price other than the minimum.

 

This is one of the dumbest moves of the Cherrinton era and there are some doozies to choose from.

 

I doubt that anyone claims him. Maybe the Sox eventually find a sucker to take him at half price and cut a deal.

 

Buy hey, it's not all bad. At least I know what quick twitch means.

Edited June 19, 2016 by Spudboy

[cp176]

Wow. As badly as he's done, I'm still shocked. Maybe they are thinking they can keep him around like Allen Craig and not have him on the 40 man roster and more importantly not count vs the luxury tax.

 

He will not be playing for the Sox. it's one way to end a failed experiment.

[Palodios]

Probably the right move. Stash him in AAA, save 2 million a year on the luxury tax. Maybe he'll finally figure it out... maybe he won't.

[Kimmi]

I know most people disagree with me, but I never felt like he really got a fair shot to play with the team. I thought he should have been our starting left fielder to start the season.

 

This move looks like it's going to be a real bust. Unlike the Pablo signing, this one is on Ben, IMO.

[mvp 78]

I know most people disagree with me, but I never felt like he really got a fair shot to play with the team. I thought he should have been our starting left fielder to start the season.

 

This move looks like it's going to be a real bust. Unlike the Pablo signing, this one is on Ben, IMO.

 

Even if he wasn't given a fair shot, he couldn't even produce in AAA. Why would we expect him to be able to do so in Boston?

[Kimmi]

Even if he wasn't given a fair shot, he couldn't even produce in AAA. Why would we expect him to be able to do so in Boston?

 

That's a fair point, but you never know. It's not likely, but he might have had more success at the big league level. I just think he should have been given more time.

[mvp 78]

That's a fair point, but you never know. It's not likely, but he might have had more success at the big league level. I just think he should have been given more time.

 

To me, it's like saying "Kalish would have never been injured if he was up in Boston and not playing in Pawtucket" (an argument posters used to make on here). The you never knows and the maybes and all the wishful thinking in the world doesn't help an argument. It'd be like if I said "well, if there were robot umps 15 years ago, maybe the Sox would have 5 WS, not 3."

 

I agree that he should be given more time. However, if he can't figure it out in Pawtucket, there is little reason to think he'll figure it out anywhere else. He was a lottery ticket and you don't win on every one.

[Nomar33]

So when he comes off the 40 man roster - does that mean his salary no longer counts against towards the $189M cap prior to luxury tax?

[mvp 78]

So when he comes off the 40 man roster - does that mean his salary no longer counts against towards the $189M cap prior to luxury tax?

 

I believe that is correct.

[Spudboy]

How many times was Castillo given the opportunity to actually start for the Sox?

 

Each one of them was an opportunity that he squandered. He has been given ample chance to show even a glimpse of what he could do and he showed very little.

 

I mean, what MLB players can not hit a fastball?

[Hugh2]

Got to give DD and the Sox brass credit. They are demonstrating they understand the concept of a sunk cost this season. Between Clay, Pablo, and Castillo they aren't afraid to take away guys jobs regardless of their salary. I suspect Hanley would be benched too if he was performing horribly.

[Slasher9]

Wow. As badly as he's done, I'm still shocked. Maybe they are thinking they can keep him around like Allen Craig and not have him on the 40 man roster and more importantly not count vs the luxury tax.

this. 100%.

[Slasher9]

Got to give DD and the Sox brass credit. They are demonstrating they understand the concept of a sunk cost this season. Between Clay, Pablo, and Castillo they aren't afraid to take away guys jobs regardless of their salary. I suspect Hanley would be benched too if he was performing horribly.

 

hey Hugh. i actually think it's pretty easy for DD. he gets to spotlight the previous GM's failures. a little subterfuge to hide the fact that he didnt adequately build a solid rotation. also, how hard is it to convince Henry to put a few million bucks back into his wallet?

anyways point being i bet most folk point out flaws of the previous staff when taking on a new position. trying to validate themselves on by kicking others in the yam sack.

[mvp 78]

I'm not sure it really hides the poorly constructed rotation though. I think that's front and center for every fan.

[moonslav59]

Probably the right move. Stash him in AAA, save 2 million a year on the luxury tax. Maybe he'll finally figure it out... maybe he won't.

 

It's actually closer to $10M, but I think that's only if he's not on the 40 man roster.

 

I may be wrong, but if he clears waivers and goes to another team's 40 man roster, we still pay his contract and I think that money counts towards the luxury tax limit. So, it may be in our best interest for him to stay with us, but just not be on the 40 man roster, a la Allen Craig.

[Spudboy]

hey Hugh. i actually think it's pretty easy for DD. he gets to spotlight the previous GM's failures. a little subterfuge to hide the fact that he didnt adequately build a solid rotation. also, how hard is it to convince Henry to put a few million bucks back into his wallet?

anyways point being i bet most folk point out flaws of the previous staff when taking on a new position. trying to validate themselves on by kicking others in the yam sack.

 

Yam sack.

 

Nice. I will add this to my vocabulary!

[moonslav59]

Got to give DD and the Sox brass credit. They are demonstrating they understand the concept of a sunk cost this season. Between Clay, Pablo, and Castillo they aren't afraid to take away guys jobs regardless of their salary. I suspect Hanley would be benched too if he was performing horribly.

 

I'm not sure it's all that big of a deal, unless it saves us $10+M on the luxury tax limit.

 

I mean, whose 40 man roster spot is he protecting? Brentz? Coyle? Noe Ramirez?

 

It's got to be an attempt to save on the luxury tax, otherwise, what would be the harm in giving him a little more time? How much time has Brentz had to win a slot on the 25 man roster?

 

I'm not complaining about the move, but if we end up paying him to play elsewhere, I'd rather had had us keep him in the system a while longer.

 

I'm not privy to what Sox management knows about Castillo; maybe they are 99.9% positive this kid is a flop, and even Brentz has a better chance than him...

[S5Dewey]

I'm not sure it really hides the poorly constructed rotation though. I think that's front and center for every fan.

 

As little as I like this rotation I can't blame DD for it. I believe he did what he could do given the time and salary restraints he had to work with. He came in and got us a starter and a closer. Price is a very good start on a rotation but he can't do it alone. I'm going to be patient and see what DD does at the deadline or in the off season before I criticize him for not building a better rotation.

[moonslav59]

As little as I like this rotation I can't blame DD for it. I believe he did what he could do given the time and salary restraints he had to work with. He came in and got us a starter and a closer. Price is a very good start on a rotation but he can't do it alone. I'm going to be patient and see what DD does at the deadline or in the off season before I criticize him for not building a better rotation.

 

It would have been hard to sign two big FA starters and also pay for Kimbrel's contract. Plus Young did not come cheaply.

 

My biggest fear is that we now have to go out and trade good prospects for a pitcher equal to or similar to a mid range starter that could have been signed last winter.

 

I'm not talking Jordan Zimmerman at $22M a year, but more like Rich Hill $6M, Doug Fister $7M, or Bartolo Colon $7M, up to maybe as far as Mike Leake $16M x 5.

 

We may end up trding for a SP'er still owed as much as some of the guys i listed above. Now, I realize some of those guys are not doing all that great, but I'm talking about maybe making an attempt at solving the problem we have now before it happened.

 

I understand the philosophy was thinking we had so much "quantity" at the 5 slot that the hope was one or two would work out. It turns out Wright did work out, but he just took ERod's slot. The whole one from Owens, Johnson, Elias, Sullivan and others experiment has been a failure.

[mvp 78]

I'm not sure ANYONE thought O'Sullivan was even a depth option in the offseason. The 5th spot in the rotation by committee approach worked. The approach that didn't work was investing in Buchholz and not replacing ERod when he went down.

[a700hitter]

I'm not sure ANYONE thought O'Sullivan was even a depth option in the offseason. The 5th spot in the rotation by committee approach worked. The approach that didn't work was investing in Buchholz and not replacing ERod when he went down.

O'Sullivan is a feel good story that he got to pitch for the Red Sox this season. That he pitched for the Red Sox this season is an indication of how pathetic the Red Sox pitching depth is.

[royf19]

I know most people disagree with me, but I never felt like he really got a fair shot to play with the team. I thought he should have been our starting left fielder to start the season.

 

This move looks like it's going to be a real bust. Unlike the Pablo signing, this one is on Ben, IMO.

 

He did get 80 games and played regularly last year. That's a pretty good chunk of games to prove himself. If he was 23, I'd say be patient, but he's 28-29. Sorry, that was his shot.

[Nick]

Why would Red Sox not let him play in the minors? At the end of next few years another team can pick him up but his contract is attached as long as he is not released by the Sox. Sox have no incentive to release him.

 

This was a move to save $3 million dollars in luxury tax.

 

This one will sting for while.....part of Ben's legacy.

 

Is it better to pay a proven veteran $210M over 7 years or unproven advanced aged player $70M? That is something Henry will have to ponder in the future. And to think we were few measly millions from acquiring Jose Abreau, ouch.

Edited June 20, 2016 by Nick

[Bellhorn04]

Is it better to pay a proven veteran $210M over 7 years or unproven advanced aged player $70M? That is something Henry will have to ponder in the future.

 

I think it's fairly safe to assume that Henry will not authorize the acquisition of any more unproven advanced aged players for $70M.

[Palodios]

As little as I like this rotation I can't blame DD for it. I believe he did what he could do given the time and salary restraints he had to work with. He came in and got us a starter and a closer. Price is a very good start on a rotation but he can't do it alone. I'm going to be patient and see what DD does at the deadline or in the off season before I criticize him for not building a better rotation.

 

DD has done a pretty s***** job with the rotation, as far as I'm concerned. He spent a boatload of resources, and somehow managed to trade away the team's best starter in 2015 for practically nothing. If he hadn't got a miracle out of Steven Wright, this team would be in the basement of the AL East.