2016 Trade and Roster Move Speculation thread

[Nick]

For the poster that thinks Shaw should not be platooned.....your words were "....no f...ing way".

 

He went 0-3 today. He's now 15/74, .203. I like Shaw but don't you have to play the percentages, no? It's not like he's a Gold glove defender. Luckily, there are more right handed pitchers so he will get his at bats.

 

And the fact that DD specifically mentioned his struggles against left handers should count for something. We gave up a decent AAA pitcher to help solve that problem. That says it all.

Edited July 9, 2016 by Nick

[moonslav59]

For the poster that thinks Shaw should not be platooned.....your words were "....no f...ing way".

 

He went 0-3 today. He's now 15/74, .203. I like Shaw but don't you have to play the percentages, no? It's not like he's a Gold glove defender. Luckily, there are more right handed pitchers so he will get his at bats.

 

And the fact that DD specifically mentioned his struggles against left handers should count for something. We gave up a decent AAA pitcher to help solve that problem. That says it all.

 

Well said. I'm sure I'm going to catch some grief for saying this, and I'm not saying he won't ever be good at this, but I'm still not convinced Shaw can continue to hit RHPs well enough to play 3B or 1B over the rest of his career. I'm not saying I think or project him to fail, even as a platoon player, but just that I'm much more demanding on sample size before becoming a true believer.

[d-money]

Is hellickson really the answer? I am hearing his name.

[Nick]

And this:

 

Article from Providence Journal

 

"These are nice moves that have allowed Dombrowski to cross off two of the three needs that populated his July shopping list. He declared his bullpen "pretty well set" after the addition of Ziegler — even accounting for the loss of Craig Kimbrel for three to six weeks due to a meniscus tear in his left knee.

 

He prefers his handful of internal options for left field — which include the injured Chris Young and Blake Swihart along with Brock Holt and prospect Andrew Benintendi — over the external ones, shooting down the idea of improving the team's offense there via trade."

 

It sure doesn't sound like a pipe dream for Benintendi to reach Fenway if everyone keeps getting hurt.

 

"Reading between the lines, it would be a surprise if Dombrowski were willing to move Benintendi or Yoan Moncada — the team's top prospects and the closest ones to making a major-league impact. Dombrowski mentioned Saturday his long-standing willingness to skip Triple-A with his best prospects, and Benintendi seems like a consideration for left field as soon as this season."

 

For those of you that think he needs AAA experience.....nope

[oldtimer]

What is the situation on Holt? He may have sprained his ankle sliding into second. if he is out again for a protracted period it could be that would impact the decision on Benentendi.

[moonslav59]

What is the situation on Holt? He may have sprained his ankle sliding into second. if he is out again for a protracted period it could be that would impact the decision on Benentendi.

 

What's the status on Young?

[Emp9]

I guess you must be assuming that I don't know that Benintendi is an outfielder and that Moncada is a second baseman. I do. You obviously missed my point. Moncada is every bit as ready to play at the same level as Benintendi. You obviously missed my point. You are all excited about moving up a prospect while at the same time you would leave quite possibly a better prospect in the minors stuck in a position that he won't be playing in Boston for quite some time. Point being - If you move a prospect like Benintendi up I would think that you might start searching for a way to get your best prospect on the right path soon.

 

1) I'm not even advocating bringing either of them up necessarily. We're all talking hypotheticals here, atleast I thought we were. So excited might be a bit strong of word here. 2) What is your point? They can't promote Benintendi unless they promote Moncada first? Are you saying Moncada should start playing a position other than 2B? If so, I agree with you, but that might not happen for a while yet.

[Kimmi]

We're on the same page here evidently. I revert to what the Red Sox Org. feels what's right. We rushed Betts and it worked out. We rushed JBJ a bunch of times and that had much more gnashing of teeth, but in the long run worked out thank our lucky stars. I'm not too sure what to expect if we brought Benny up, but one has to prepare for a few slumps here and there and not let those slumps define him.

 

Based on what I've read, he sure looks like someone who would be able to make the adjustments fairly quickly. But you never know.

 

I just don't think that calling him up is necessary at this time.

[Kimmi]

What is the situation on Holt? He may have sprained his ankle sliding into second. if he is out again for a protracted period it could be that would impact the decision on Benentendi.

 

Holt stated yesterday that he may be ready to play today. I doubt that he does play, but it sounds like he will be good to go after the All Star break.

[cp176]

1) I'm not even advocating bringing either of them up necessarily. We're all talking hypotheticals here, atleast I thought we were. So excited might be a bit strong of word here. 2) What is your point? They can't promote Benintendi unless they promote Moncada first? Are you saying Moncada should start playing a position other than 2B? If so, I agree with you, but that might not happen for a while yet.

 

Ok - all is well - I guess that my primary point is that I think that Moncada is the bigger prize here. My opinion I'll admit. I think that outside of playing a position that makes sense to the franchise, he is our top prospect going forward. I get the fact that you fill a space based upon need, I just don't ultimately see the sense in Moncada being used as a second baseman. It sounds as though many posters expect Benintendi to be a part of our outfield at least by 2017. if that is the case, it would just amaze me if a potential star like Moncada was playing in the minors so that he could learn a position that he will not be playing for some time in Boston. I'm suggesting that if Benintendi gets moved early (which I don't want to see happen), it would make more sense to trade Moncada as opposed to letting him hang around in our minor league system until there is a place to use him. If Moncada gets traded, we will all be very sad.

[moonslav59]

Ok - all is well - I guess that my primary point is that I think that Moncada is the bigger prize here. My opinion I'll admit. I think that outside of playing a position that makes sense to the franchise, he is our top prospect going forward. I get the fact that you fill a space based upon need, I just don't ultimately see the sense in Moncada being used as a second baseman. It sounds as though many posters expect Benintendi to be a part of our outfield at least by 2017. if that is the case, it would just amaze me if a potential star like Moncada was playing in the minors so that he could learn a position that he will not be playing for some time in Boston. I'm suggesting that if Benintendi gets moved early (which I don't want to see happen), it would make more sense to trade Moncada as opposed to letting him hang around in our minor league system until there is a place to use him. If Moncada gets traded, we will all be very sad.

 

I caught a lot of flack for suggesting we start giving Moncada some reps at 3B or LF sooner rather than later. It's my opinion he's close, if not already, ML ready on offense. I get the argument about not wanting to overload a developing player's plate. However, Moncada's just about as blocked as blocked can be. One problem might be that we probably have to pick just one new position for him to learn- not two. Left field is our high need area right now, but Benintendi seems ear-marked for that slot. Once Papi retires, our highest need might be 3B/1B/DH not LF. Maybe the idea is to start Moncada at DH next year and let him learn a position or two over time (in practice first), but I have to think it's probably better to get some games under his belt at 3B and/or LF.

 

I know this is probably going to be another "can of worms" situation here, but we're getting later into the season, and if we are going to get him plenty of experience at his future position, he'll have to start getting some reps in practice pretty soon tao be ready by September or April 2017.

[bowman]

Problem, the only problem this team has right now is figuring out the 4 and 5 starters. My point is that Shaw is still young and I like his swing. He for sure will be better at first, and if Travis pushes him out next year so be it. Were you all over Bradley also when he was struggling at the plate. Good thing we stuck with him hey. I just find it funny how you want to micro analyze a young player with almost 50 rbi's at the all star break. He's NOT THE PROBLEM RIGHT NOW.

[a700hitter]

Oh Boy RBI worms all over the place!!!

[bowman]

Plain worms too..

[cp176]

Oh Boy RBI worms all over the place!!!

 

You and I and Spud know that batting averages, rbi's , and pitcher's win loss records as well as era's as things from a bygone era. When is Dombrowski going to wake up and figure this out? ( Just a joke a folks - it's all good.) I like our new GM!

[cp176]

I caught a lot of flack for suggesting we start giving Moncada some reps at 3B or LF sooner rather than later. It's my opinion he's close, if not already, ML ready on offense. I get the argument about not wanting to overload a developing player's plate. However, Moncada's just about as blocked as blocked can be. One problem might be that we probably have to pick just one new position for him to learn- not two. Left field is our high need area right now, but Benintendi seems ear-marked for that slot. Once Papi retires, our highest need might be 3B/1B/DH not LF. Maybe the idea is to start Moncada at DH next year and let him learn a position or two over time (in practice first), but I have to think it's probably better to get some games under his belt at 3B and/or LF.

 

I know this is probably going to be another "can of worms" situation here, but we're getting later into the season, and if we are going to get him plenty of experience at his future position, he'll have to start getting some reps in practice pretty soon tao be ready by September or April 2017.

 

I agree with your point of view here. To date, we have heard not even a whisper about moving Benintendi. All fan conjecture. I don't think that these two prospects need to be treated the same necessarily but I do think that sooner as opposed to later they do have to start thinking about what they will do with Moncada going forward. Easy for Benintendi- no thought required. Moncada is a different story but he may be on a different level than Benintendi. When you see them in Portland, I will be interested to hear about your first impressions. I have already expressed mine and they are pretty clear.

[Jack Flap]

In another tweet from Crasnick, he describes the chances of the Braves trading Julio Teheran as “not likely” unless Atlanta significantly lowers its asking price before the deadline. Given that the Braves reportedly want more for Teheran than they received from the D’Backs in the already-infamous Shelby Miller trade, it’s not hard to see why teams are balking at such a huge asking price. (And it’s also clear why Atlanta would demand so much for a controllable young arm with ace potential.)

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/07/quick-hits-pitching-teheran-kershaw-giants-maeda-prospect-trades.html

 

 

Yeah, let's not.

[mvp 78]

In another tweet from Crasnick, he describes the chances of the Braves trading Julio Teheran as “not likely” unless Atlanta significantly lowers its asking price before the deadline. Given that the Braves reportedly want more for Teheran than they received from the D’Backs in the already-infamous Shelby Miller trade, it’s not hard to see why teams are balking at such a huge asking price. (And it’s also clear why Atlanta would demand so much for a controllable young arm with ace potential.)

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/07/quick-hits-pitching-teheran-kershaw-giants-maeda-prospect-trades.html

 

 

Yeah, let's not.

 

From the same article:

 

Kenta Maeda exceeded the 100-inning plateau in his start today, thus unlocking another $250K bonus in his Dodgers contract (hat tip to ESPN.com’s Doug Padilla). Maeda is only guaranteed $3MM per season from 2016 through 2023, though he can collect significant bonuses based on innings pitched, starts and making the Opening Day roster. Thus far, Maeda has received an extra $1.65MM in bonuses this season. Even if he maxes out those bonuses over the eight years under contract, Maeda is already looking like a bargain for the Dodgers given how well he has pitched in his first MLB season.

 

Cries in my beer...

[mvp 78]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/07/Guardians-release-joba-chamberlain.html

 

Joba was released by the Guardians. Should the Sox grab him while some of the bullpen arms are hurting?

[Kimmi]

In another tweet from Crasnick, he describes the chances of the Braves trading Julio Teheran as “not likely” unless Atlanta significantly lowers its asking price before the deadline. Given that the Braves reportedly want more for Teheran than they received from the D’Backs in the already-infamous Shelby Miller trade, it’s not hard to see why teams are balking at such a huge asking price. (And it’s also clear why Atlanta would demand so much for a controllable young arm with ace potential.)

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/07/quick-hits-pitching-teheran-kershaw-giants-maeda-prospect-trades.html

 

 

Yeah, let's not.

 

Much of that is posturing on the Braves part. At least I hope so. The Braves have every right to ask for the moon, but let's be reasonable. What the Braves are reported asking for is akin to the $70 mil offer the Sox gave Lester.

 

Unless his price comes down considerably, and I do mean considerably, let's not.

[Kimmi]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/07/Guardians-release-joba-chamberlain.html

 

joba was released by the Guardians. Should the sox grab him while some of the bullpen arms are hurting?

 

omg...

[mvp 78]

omg...

 

Is that a yes?

[Kimmi]

Is that a yes?

 

Put it this way. As much as you don't want Clay on the team, multiply that by e^100 and that's how much I don't want Joba on the team.

[Jack Flap]

Much of that is posturing on the Braves part. At least I hope so. The Braves have every right to ask for the moon, but let's be reasonable. What the Braves are reported asking for is akin to the $70 mil offer the Sox gave Lester.

 

Unless his price comes down considerably, and I do mean considerably, let's not.

 

I agree. Like I've said before, I can see why they'd ask for a ton...I just hope the Red Sox don't go there. Have to imagine the price would start with Moncada or Benintendi plus more, and some recent comments have given me a lot of hope that Dave has little to no interest in trading those guys. I guess we'll see.

[mvp 78]

I agree. Like I've said before, I can see why they'd ask for a ton...I just hope the Red Sox don't go there. Have to imagine the price would start with Moncada or Benintendi plus more, and some recent comments have given me a lot of hope that Dave has little to no interest in trading those guys. I guess we'll see.

 

If they could get him without giving up Benintendi, Moncada or anyone on the MLB roster, I'd definitely do it. Espinoza + Devers + Swihart + Owens

[Hugh2]

I would never dream of giving up Espinoza unless it was part of a larger package to bring in a true TOTRS. I can't remember any point of my lifetime the Sox having a pitching prospect with as good of stuff and as highly regarded as AE. I mean there was Clemens but I was a child and I don't know how he projected when he was a minor leaguer.

 

I'd be very hesitant to give up Kopech!!! but I would. Kopech is someone who could be shooting up the rankings too once he gets more games underneath him. He's got good stuff, a feel for a 3rd pitch and can reach triple digits.

[Spudboy]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/07/Guardians-release-joba-chamberlain.html

 

Joba was released by the Guardians. Should the Sox grab him while some of the bullpen arms are hurting?

 

There will be plenty of teams looking to snag him.

 

I'd have no problem with him in our pen. But it's getting mighty crowded out there at the moment. Who does he replace? Who gets cut or otherwise transaction?

 

As far as his peripherals go, don't relief pitchers vary sort of wildly? If he has that velocity I'd gamble on his command.

[Spudboy]

I would never dream of giving up Espinoza unless it was part of a larger package to bring in a true TOTRS. I can't remember any point of my lifetime the Sox having a pitching prospect with as good of stuff and as highly regarded as AE. I mean there was Clemens but I was a child and I don't know how he projected when he was a minor leaguer.

 

I'd be very hesitant to give up Kopech!!! but I would. Kopech is someone who could be shooting up the rankings too once he gets more games underneath him. He's got good stuff, a feel for a 3rd pitch and can reach triple digits.

 

Now all he has to do is visit The Wizard and get a brain.

 

And some command while he's at it.

 

At least he has a hot girl friend.

[illinoisredsox]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/07/Guardians-release-joba-chamberlain.html

 

Joba was released by the Guardians. Should the Sox grab him while some of the bullpen arms are hurting?

 

No. Nein. Nyet. Non. Ingen. Nee. 'a'ole. Nie.

 

There would be no way to wash 7 years of Yankee stench off of him.

[mvp 78]

There will be plenty of teams looking to snag him.

 

I'd have no problem with him in our pen. But it's getting mighty crowded out there at the moment. Who does he replace? Who gets cut or otherwise transaction?

 

As far as his peripherals go, don't relief pitchers vary sort of wildly? If he has that velocity I'd gamble on his command.

 

The only have 24 men on the roster as of today?