Dombrowski in Cherington Out

[Dojji]

Needed to be done. Not sure Dombrowski is the guy to bring in though. But Cherington at this point is damaged goods. You need the credibility to sell your ideas to ownership simply in order to function as a GM, there is no way that Cherington still had the trust of the FO.

[iortiz]

In almost 50 years of rooting for the Red Sox, I can't remember a GM being fired during the season, and they had a coup d'etat in the early 80's. This speaks volumes to what a horrible job Ben has been doing that they needed to make this change immediately.

 

Seems like the talksox poll was taken seriously in consideration haha.

[iortiz]

Three out of four years of last place finishes was unprecedented bad that has not happened since before Tom Yawkey bought the team.

 

I think that your sig will be in his Red Sox grave/obituary.

[iortiz]

I am dead serious with this question.....did Porcello f*** your gf or something?

 

Way to start s*** up but probably this why you hate me. You probably think that I f***ed your gf... but I'm telling u, as long as I know, No me la he chingado, compa.

[Dojji]

Seriously guys? Enough.

 

Besides, mine is EVEN LONGER.

[jacksonianmarch]

This had to be done. Dombrowski will not tolerate meddling and he'll own his moves. I don't like this move as a Yankee fan

[jacksonianmarch]

What he did with a Tigers team that sucked gigantic monkey cock in 2003 and turned them in the AL pennant winning 2006 team was a stroke of genius. He knows how to rebuild. Don't expect a first place turnaround. But you'll be regular contenders probably by 2017-2018

[mvp 78]

Well done JH, well done.

 

To me, Cherington seemed like a puppet than anything else.

 

Dombrowski put in Detrot competitive teams for how many years? 4, 5? At least he built very solid rotations in Detroit as I recall. At least we have to give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

This is a very good start... they are addressing the root of the problem.

 

The ownership made him into a puppet. The next gm may have the same issue too.

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

What he did with a Tigers team that sucked gigantic monkey cock in 2003 and turned them in the AL pennant winning 2006 team was a stroke of genius. He knows how to rebuild. Don't expect a first place turnaround. But you'll be regular contenders probably by 2017-2018

 

Just about to post the same thing, he did a very good job rebuilding the Tigers into constant contenders.

 

I still can't believe a few people are giving Ben some love here after 3 last place finishes. We all know that 2013 was a freak situation, Ben lucked out that Koji turned into Joe Hardy and was the difference. It's not like that was his plan. Sure the salary dumps were important but let's not forget it costs them Adrian Gonzales, Crawford is of course always hurt but his worst season in LA was a .283 BA, and all the young talent he supposedly acquired in this move didn't do dick.

[mvp 78]

DUMBrowski- 5 playoff appearances in past 10 years, no rings. The definition of "meh."

[SoxnCycles]

I give it until January before the "Dombrowski is an idiot" threads start.

 

Cherrington was offered to stay on as GM, but declined.

Seem like there's a philosophical difference of opinion with either the FO, or Dombrowski.

 

Should be interesting, however this goes.

[Bellhorn04]

DUMBrowski- 5 playoff appearances in past 10 years, no rings. The definition of "meh."

 

Who would you have preferred?

[a700hitter]

I am not quite sure why ownership would let Ben hire Dipoto if they were going to hire Dombrowski unless they sought his approval in advance.

[SoxnCycles]

DUMBrowski- 5 playoff appearances in past 10 years, no rings. The definition of "meh."

 

Dombrowski just wasn't "lucky" enough to get a ring.

[a700hitter]

Mark my words, in 2019 when Dombrowski and Dipoto get fired after winning a world series, but also have a couple losing seasons, I will flame the ever living s*** out of this board.

 

Ben's the man. May he have an excellent career with Theo in Chicago. Thanks for 2013.

Pal, you seem upset by this development. I'm not sure why as Ben earned his way out of the job. I am curious if you were the owners how would you gone about fixing the s*** show that we have watched for two years in a row? Staying with Ben would have meant by all accounts continuing the Hanley (LF) experiment and continuing commitments to Porcello and Miley. What changes, if any did you think needed to be made, or were you willing to stay the course?

[reYoukilis]

Just about to post the same thing, he did a very good job rebuilding the Tigers into constant contenders.

 

I still can't believe a few people are giving Ben some love here after 3 last place finishes. We all know that 2013 was a freak situation, Ben lucked out that Koji turned into Joe Hardy and was the difference. It's not like that was his plan. Sure the salary dumps were important but let's not forget it costs them Adrian Gonzales, Crawford is of course always hurt but his worst season in LA was a .283 BA, and all the young talent he supposedly acquired in this move didn't do dick.

 

Koji was very good before Boston. I saw him as a Ranger here in Texas. Ben also got alot of great role players together that clicked.

[Behindenemylines]

This will be interesting to see how this changes the approach to fix the pitching. Will Dombrowski be able to do things Ben Cher wasn't? DD has been known to use the farm system as a way to get the pieces his team needs. His approach has been so different then what we have seen the Sox do over the last half dozen years. Should be interesting. I will make this prediction, the Sox will have a true ace when they open 2016.

[SoxnCycles]

Koji was very good before Boston. I saw him as a Ranger here in Texas. Ben also got alot of great role players together that clicked.

 

Yeah, I don't get why some people think Koji was a nobody, until getting to Boston.

[SoxnCycles]

This will be interesting to see how this changes the approach to fix the pitching. Will Dombrowski be able to do things Ben Cher wasn't? DD has been known to use the farm system as a way to get the pieces his team needs. His approach has been so different then what we have seen the Sox do over the last half dozen years. Should be interesting. I will make this prediction, the Sox will have a true ace when they open 2016.

 

You mean like giving large extensions to aging players?

[Behindenemylines]

Yeah, I don't get why some people think Koji was a nobody, until getting to Boston.

 

If you remember he wasn't brought here as a closer, and I don't think anyone predicted he would do what he did. I will give some credit to Ben Cher for resigning him last winter. Not everyone was on the same page with that one. Koji continued to be effective until the injury. The only problem is that is one of the few moves he made that had any success the last two years.

[mvp 78]

If Ben was a boob, DUMBrowski is a set of aboriginal sagging to the waist dried up milk bags.

[SoxnCycles]

If you remember he wasn't brought here as a closer, and I don't think anyone predicted he would do what he did. I will give some credit to Ben Cher for resigning him last winter. Not everyone was on the same page with that one. Koji continued to be effective until the injury. The only problem is that is one of the few moves he made that had any success the last two years.

 

No, no one could have predicted Koji would be the closer in 2013.

But, you also have to credit the Sox FO for building a bullpen with enough depth to handle injuries to not one, but two pitchers.

 

It's not like Koji never closed before and they just chucked him out there with their fingers crossed.

He was 13-2 in save opportunities with Balt, in 2010.

[Behindenemylines]

No, no one could have predicted Koji would be the closer in 2013.

But, you also have to credit the Sox FO for building a bullpen with enough depth to handle injuries to not one, but two pitchers.

 

It's not like Koji never closed before and they just chucked him out there with their fingers crossed.

He was 13-2 in save opportunities with Balt, in 2010.

 

Koji was one of Ben Cher's better transactions. Brought in as depth he became the shut down closer one needs to win a championship.

[Thunder]

Yeah, I don't get why some people think Koji was a nobody, until getting to Boston.

 

IIRC, he was also pretty decent in Baltimore

[OriginalUsername]

As a Tiger fan throughout the Dombrowski era, I'm not happy to see him leave. He took a team that had gone over a decade without a winning record and made it into the winningest team in the AL the past 9 years.

 

People point to the Prince Fielder contract, but that is not on him. Before Fielder signed, Dombrowski said he wouldn't be a good fit. Scott Boras than calls Mike Illitch, Illitch has an emotional attachment to Prince since Cecil played in Detroit and Illitch knew Prince since he was a kid. Prince Fielder was an Illitch signing.

 

There's also the Cabrera trade, The Granderson and Edwin Jackson trade that netted them Austin Jackson and Max Scherzer, He traded Ramon Santiago for Carlos Guillen, Ugeth Urbina for Polanco, a minor leaguer who never made the bigs for Peralta. He traded Porcello for Cespedes and then flipped Cespedes for a decent pitching prospect. He picked up Iglesias for a replacement level OF. He also plucked JD Martinez off the scrap heap. Dombrowski was rarely on the wrong side of a trade. It's also hard to fault him for the Verlander extension since he was coming off two Cy Young caliber seasons and an MVP.

[jimbob728]

If you are a salesman that finishes last in sales in your company for three out of four years, even if awhile back you had one great year, you are going to be replaced.

 

The sales manager (Lucchino) that handed you a case full of goat turds to try and sell to a Boston goat farmer and a crate of Maybelline to sell to a pig farmer is praised as one of the great minds in the industry by his colleagues while you are cleaning out your office.

 

Although you walked out of the door, cases in hand, more disabled than William H. Macy in “Door to Door” hoping you could sell this crap, maybe you should get canned for not having the sack to tell your superiors that this product (Ramirez, Sandoval, Breslow, Porcello, Fred Gwynne, etc.) just won't work. Instead of telling them that the product is not marketable, you hit the pavement running down Bolyston and Newbury looking for farms. If these products were your idea, then the only decisions you should be involved with in the future is determining whether the customer wants paper or plastic or fries with that.

 

I don't know who is to blame for the mess and in reality, it doesn't matter. s*** rolls down hill and in this world, the man that presents the lipstick and the turds to the consumer will always be at the bottom of that hill with a face full of number 2 and a pink slip.

[Behindenemylines]

If you are a salesman that finishes last in sales in your company for three out of four years, even if awhile back you had one great year, you are going to be replaced.

 

The sales manager (Lucchino) that handed you a case full of goat turds to try and sell to a Boston goat farmer and a crate of Maybelline to sell to a pig farmer is praised as one of the great minds in the industry by his colleagues while you are cleaning out your office.

 

Although you walked out of the door, cases in hand, more disabled than William H. Macy in “Door to Door” hoping you could sell this crap, maybe you should get canned for not having the sack to tell your superiors that this product (Ramirez, Sandoval, Breslow, Porcello, Fred Gwynne, etc.) just won't work. Instead of telling them that the product is not marketable, you hit the pavement running down Bolyston and Newbury looking for farms. If these products were your idea, then the only decisions you should be involved with in the future is determining whether the customer wants paper or plastic or fries with that.

 

I don't know who is to blame for the mess and in reality, it doesn't matter. s*** rolls down hill and in this world, the man that presents the lipstick and the turds to the consumer will always be at the bottom of that hill with a face full of number 2 and a pink slip.

 

Well put! This is why Ben Cher is looking for a new job this morning.

[Behindenemylines]

As a Tiger fan throughout the Dombrowski era, I'm not happy to see him leave. He took a team that had gone over a decade without a winning record and made it into the winningest team in the AL the past 9 years.

 

People point to the Prince Fielder contract, but that is not on him. Before Fielder signed, Dombrowski said he wouldn't be a good fit. Scott Boras than calls Mike Illitch, Illitch has an emotional attachment to Prince since Cecil played in Detroit and Illitch knew Prince since he was a kid. Prince Fielder was an Illitch signing.

 

There's also the Cabrera trade, The Granderson and Edwin Jackson trade that netted them Austin Jackson and Max Scherzer, He traded Ramon Santiago for Carlos Guillen, Ugeth Urbina for Polanco, a minor leaguer who never made the bigs for Peralta. He traded Porcello for Cespedes and then flipped Cespedes for a decent pitching prospect. He picked up Iglesias for a replacement level OF. He also plucked JD Martinez off the scrap heap. Dombrowski was rarely on the wrong side of a trade. It's also hard to fault him for the Verlander extension since he was coming off two Cy Young caliber seasons and an MVP.

 

Even if you blame Dombrowski for the Fielder signing, he was still able to move that contract. I hope he can do that with the Sandoval and/or Ramirez contracts.

[sk7326]

GM choice will be key. The initial whispers of Frank Wren are profoundly troubling.

 

Now what Dombrowski did in Detroit and Miami are indicative that he can do it both ways. He stripped the Tiggers farm dry because the Little Caesar's guy told him to. The results were solid, but we see that they are behind the rebuild 8-ball.

 

The NY times piece on it was funny talking about how Dombrowski might shift things to a scouting driven approach instead of an analytics one. Since the Red Sox farm talent has been a non-issue, one would say that scouting has been quite good.

 

But Dombrowski is old, and so the GM choice is the more important one. If it's somebody promising, like a Jason McLeod or somebody from the Cardinals shop, that is one thing. If it is a warmed over mystery meat like Wren, that is another entirely.

[sk7326]

IIRC, he was also pretty decent in Baltimore

 

He was - the question in Boston was could he handle the workload ... and as it turned out, largely he could. His career of arm trouble was the risk. Allowed Cherington to get him for a song.