Drew is Back

[seabeachfred]

In Drew's last game with the Red Sox he homered, singled and played great D. Boy what a game he had!

 

Bell, we're all in this together and whether some of us agree with each other or not the bottom line is for our team to be successful and that's what I want and that's what you want and that's what all of us want. The next month will tell us whether these moves were good or not, and in the meantime will someone slow down the Blue Jays so if we keep hot we can close the gap some more?

[Behindenemylines]

The Drew signing was because the FO doesn't expect to get anything from WMB the rest of this season. If the Sox are going to struggle this year I'd rather see Bogaerts at SS and Holt and Cecchini at third. Signing Drew might give them another trading chip though. SS are always high in demand and they maybe might get something for Drew at the deadline.

[jd98]

We can all argue until the cows come home and no one's position will gain any traction until we see what Drew's inclusion in the lineup does for the team. If he performs well and the team keeps winning I can expect that those who think adding him to the lineup will thump their chests and tell us how wrong and off the charts those who think it will be negative. OTOH, those people had also better expect retorts in kind if his presence results in a downturn to the team, and if he fails to perform well they will certainly most hear it and loudly.

 

For the record, I hope he succeeds and I can keep my tongue but I do not expect him to hit worth a damn and I believe there will be a negative result when all is said and done. Again, it looks more and more like his signing was a mistake because of what Holt has been doing and Cecchini in his first trial today succeeded in doing. We'll just have to wait and see.

 

I registered here just to voice my similar opinion to random internet people. Having Drew on the team isn't necessarily bad, but it's just nuts to pay $10 million for 2/3 of a season of a platoon player, who is not needed at all, addresses none of the issues causing the team to struggle, and at best marginally improves the team. At worst is what has happened the past week.

[MJantomaso]

The Drew signing was because the FO doesn't expect to get anything from WMB the rest of this season. If the Sox are going to struggle this year I'd rather see Bogaerts at SS and Holt and Cecchini at third. Signing Drew might give them another trading chip though. SS are always high in demand and they maybe might get something for Drew at the deadline.

 

I hope they like peanuts...bc thats all that they will get for him.

[Andyk_94]

I hope they like peanuts...bc thats all that they will get for him.

I can see us making a decent trade in the ideal scenario of the Holt/XB/WMB trio working out somehow in the middle third of the season. So long as Drew doesn't continue to stink at the plate, he could be a decent piece for a contender (regardless of if the sox are 'sellers'). We're not paying him more than he would have signed for with someone else if yit weren't for that pesky draft pick and the sox can eat a bit of it if needed to sweeten the deal.

[jd98]

I can see us making a decent trade in the ideal scenario of the Holt/XB/WMB trio working out somehow in the middle third of the season. So long as Drew doesn't continue to stink at the plate, he could be a decent piece for a contender (regardless of if the sox are 'sellers'). We're not paying him more than he would have signed for with someone else if yit weren't for that pesky draft pick and the sox can eat a bit of it if needed to sweeten the deal.

 

I'm hoping they trade him, but I'm not gonna hold my breath. He would have gotten more total money elsewhere, but I highly doubt anybody was gonna pay him $14 million per year. The QO was a bad move, and they were lucky Drew turned it down, but then they screwed up and gave it back to him. Pretty much everybody thought the $9.5 million for 2013 was too much, and I don't see how he earned $4.5 million more (almost 50% increase) for this season.

[mvp 78]

No one is going to want Drew in a trade unless the Sox eat most of his salary AND he starts to hit.

[redsoxrules]

Seriously people.... It's been 4 games/ 14AB.

[Spudboy]

So it seems that Drew is now a lighting rod for criticism of the failing Sox.

 

He's barely been on the field to contribute to the mess.

 

There is plenty to blame for the Sox ineptitude. Why start with Drew?

[Bellhorn04]

Seriously people.... It's been 4 games/ 14AB.

 

The span of attention/patience level of humans seems to have eroded in direct proportion to technological 'advances' in information and communications.

[mvp 78]

They're losing regardless of Drew's presence in the lineup. He's not the issue. JBJ is not the issue.

 

The issue is Vic and Napoli have missed time, the bullpen has regressed, Doubront and Buchholz have been horrendous and the corner OFers have been brutal.

[Bellhorn04]

They're losing regardless of Drew's presence in the lineup. He's not the issue. JBJ is not the issue.

 

The issue is Vic and Napoli have missed time, the bullpen has regressed, Doubront and Buchholz have been horrendous and the corner OFers have been brutal.

 

I would disagree only in that I think JBJ's 203/286/294 line has to be considered part of the accumulation of problems on offence.

[mvp 78]

I think his D outweighs his meager bat. If you're under .500, it's most likely not due to your #9 hitter.

[jd98]

I don't have a problem with Drew. I have a problem with the signing of Drew. It was unnecessary and a waste of $10 million. It's not my money so maybe I shouldn't care, but I would have rather they just dump $10 million out of a blimp over Fenway.

 

I didn't really expect Drew to hurt the team (or help the team), and don't know if he has been a cause in the recent struggles or if it is just coincidence. I think he has been part of the reason, but that's just my opinion.

[reYoukilis]

I wanted Drew in the beginning of the year, and still think it wouldve been the right thing to do at the time, but questioned it when they finally did because it seemed like we were turning the page.

 

Having said that, I dont think Drew should be taking the blame for this, its kind of team wide.

[VA Sox Fan]

Seriously people.... It's been 4 games/ 14AB.

 

So it seems that Drew is now a lighting rod for criticism of the failing Sox.

 

He's barely been on the field to contribute to the mess.

 

There is plenty to blame for the Sox ineptitude. Why start with Drew?

 

The span of attention/patience level of humans seems to have eroded in direct proportion to technological 'advances' in information and communications.

 

Consider the source of the endless Drew-bashing. No credibility there. At all.

 

They are failing as a TEAM and there is no ONE player to blame it on.

 

Thanks for your common sense posts. It's refreshing.

[reYoukilis]

I would disagree only in that I think JBJ's 203/286/294 line has to be considered part of the accumulation of problems on offence.

Yeah, his D doesnt make up for that much bad O. I would REALLY, REALLY like to see him do better. He was my choice for a player I wanted to see do well.

 

Honestly, other than a better outfield I still think we needed and still need better starting pitching. Buch is a surprise disappointment but even if he did well, was Peavey AND Lackey going to be great?

[Andyk_94]

I wouldn't say people have been blaming Drew for the poor results, more questioning the signing and his inclusion in the lineup when he clearly wasn't ready.

[jimbob728]

If JBJ and Grady do not start hitting with some consistency they may want to consider John Fogerty for centerfield. He's ready to play, today.

[mvp 78]

If JBJ and Grady do not start hitting with some consistency they may want to consider John Fogerty for centerfield. He's ready to play, today.

 

JBJ hat a hit, BB, 2 R and made a sweet double play last night. Not sure it's the day to complain.

[Behindenemylines]

The Drew signing has been a major blunder. He has become another bat in the lineup that hasn't hit, and he sits against LP. Also since his return Bogaerts has struggled big time. X defense after a slow start was getting better before the no need signing.

[a700hitter]

I thought it was a good depth move when they signed Drew, and I thought Fred's negeative reaction was overly dramatic. Looking at the results, his reaction was on the money. The only thing that the Drew signing has achieved I'd to set back Bogaerts' development at SS. The people arguing with Fred about Drew have been driven by their personal dislike of Fred, who was completely right thus far with his prediction about the result of the acquisition. As for those who think that Drew has not been a major contributor to Red Sox suck in 2014, the bottom line is that offense has been this team's weakness since the opening bell. IN acquiring Drew, they have added a blackhole to an already struggling lineup. That has had a major negative impact. I agree with Pal's idea that adding a good bat to this lineup could change things around. Instead they have added an automatic out with Drew. Major blunder. Apparently, the Tigers had good reason for shying away from Drew even after their SS went down with a season-ending injury.

[Spudboy]

I thought it was a good depth move when they signed Drew, and I thought Fred's negeative reaction was overly dramatic. Looking at the results, his reaction was on the money. The only thing that the Drew signing has achieved I'd to set back Bogaerts' development at SS. The people arguing with Fred about Drew have been driven by their personal dislike of Fred, who was completely right thus far with his prediction about the result of the acquisition. As for those who think that Drew has not been a major contributor to Red Sox suck in 2014, the bottom line is that offense has been this team's weakness since the opening bell. IN acquiring Drew, they have added a blackhole to an already struggling lineup. That has had a major negative impact. I agree with Pal's idea that adding a good bat to this lineup could change things around. Instead they have added an automatic out with Drew. Major blunder. Apparently, the Tigers had good reason for shying away from Drew even after their SS went down with a season-ending injury.

 

 

Don't count me as one of those people. I've said that I wanted Drew all along. I was somewhat pleased that he was signed although I don't like the $10 tariff.

 

I did not expect Drew to be a cure-all for the Sox offensive woes. I thought that after a few weeks that he would have his timing at the plate back.

 

His offensive sucktitude has been another reason the Sox can't put big innings together. He has contributed to the problem in stead of contributing to resolving the problem.

 

If they can get rid of him on the cheap and maybe get something back I say make the move. I doubt that the Sox do anything until they see what develops with WMB.

[a700hitter]

Don't count me as one of those people. I've said that I wanted Drew all along. I was somewhat pleased that he was signed although I don't like the $10 tariff.

 

I did not expect Drew to be a cure-all for the Sox offensive woes. I thought that after a few weeks that he would have his timing at the plate back.

 

His offensive sucktitude has been another reason the Sox can't put big innings together. He has contributed to the problem in stead of contributing to resolving the problem.

 

If they can get rid of him on the cheap and maybe get something back I say make the move. I doubt that the Sox do anything until they see what develops with WMB.

No Spud, you are a level-headed TalkSox poster and you never exhibit animosity. I agreed with you liking the Drew signing, even though people think that I always agree with Fred. The truth is that Fred and I frequently disagree, but we keep it respectful and friendly as you do when you post. He was right this time, and more right than I would have expected. Drew has been a shell of the hitter that he had been. Fred is very emotional about these matters, and we have no problem with that. When he really goes on a rant, it makes me chukle. Apparently, it drives others crazy, but there were way too many STFU's directed at him over this issue. That is just not appropriate. He wan't blaspheming. LOL! And even then, this is America. He can have his opinion even if blasphemous. There was also the thread wishing him dead. That is just ridiculous and hateful. Fred's opinions are about sports and sometimes he ratchets up the volume when he gets attention, but there are far too many posters that have made hating Fred a sport or a life mission. Reading that nonsense is far more distasteful than an opinion about sports.

[seabeachfred]

Don't count me as one of those people. I've said that I wanted Drew all along. I was somewhat pleased that he was signed although I don't like the $10 tariff.

 

I did not expect Drew to be a cure-all for the Sox offensive woes. I thought that after a few weeks that he would have his timing at the plate back.

 

His offensive sucktitude has been another reason the Sox can't put big innings together. He has contributed to the problem in stead of contributing to resolving the problem.

 

If they can get rid of him on the cheap and maybe get something back I say make the move. I doubt that the Sox do anything until they see what develops with WMB.

 

You wanting Drew to be signed was fine as far as I'm concerned. You felt he would be a positive addition to the team and so did my friend 700 Hitter. The fact that you now think you may have been wrong is just part of the game. Hell, I thought Gomes could hit over 20 homers this season; how ridiculous do I look now believing that? The thing is I was wrong about Jonny unless he goes nuts soon and you miscalculated on Drew. What has irritated me no end is the personal crap I've dealt with by those who still feel Drew is a good signing; either that or they now realize that it was a bad mistake but they damn well refuse to admit it. What the hell is wrong admitting when you are wrong? RSFFL did so yesterday and we'll all miscalculate from time to time on this board. But this is a forum and we should all be able to say what we feel without a few Rubberneck Joneses getting all hot and bothered and telling us to shut up.

 

BTW, it is the effect this may be having on Bogaerts that really has me worried. He hasn't hit or fielded since Stephen was put in the lineup and X is a big part of our future. My God, I don't want another Josh Bard on our scorecard.

[Spudboy]

I don't think that X will be another Bard.

 

Bard's case was an anomaly. He just lost it and then never got it back with the change to starter. Sad and screwed up but that is the way the cookie crumbles ( pun not intended! ) sometimes.

 

I really think that X has just sort of hit a rookie wall or is just in a slump. What made him a hot prospect will return him back to effectiveness. His talent.

 

Also, many people have have made the bar a little too high for him with all the expectations. He is a talented rookie. But a rookie never the less.

[win red sox]

The Drew signing while in hindsight looks bad, at the time of WMB injury the sox had nobody to play 3b and the only thing drew cost was money so it seemed like an obvious choice. I don't blame Ben for signing him, I mean Drew went from a top 5 offensive SS that should have won the AL gold glove to a Red Sox fans punch line. I would imagine at some point after the trade deadline that he will heat up and the Sox will put him on waivers. In reference to the future of Red Sox left side, XB is probably the 3b of the future anyways as Cecchini has not take a positive step this year and WMB hasn't taken a positive step since 2012. I wouldn't be surprised if Marrero is the opening day SS in 2015.

[sk7326]

You wanting Drew to be signed was fine as far as I'm concerned. You felt he would be a positive addition to the team and so did my friend 700 Hitter. The fact that you now think you may have been wrong is just part of the game. Hell, I thought Gomes could hit over 20 homers this season; how ridiculous do I look now believing that? The thing is I was wrong about Jonny unless he goes nuts soon and you miscalculated on Drew. What has irritated me no end is the personal crap I've dealt with by those who still feel Drew is a good signing; either that or they now realize that it was a bad mistake but they damn well refuse to admit it. What the hell is wrong admitting when you are wrong? RSFFL did so yesterday and we'll all miscalculate from time to time on this board. But this is a forum and we should all be able to say what we feel without a few Rubberneck Joneses getting all hot and bothered and telling us to shut up.

 

BTW, it is the effect this may be having on Bogaerts that really has me worried. He hasn't hit or fielded since Stephen was put in the lineup and X is a big part of our future. My God, I don't want another Josh Bard on our scorecard.

 

Clearly nobody goes on slumps ...

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

DFA Betts he sucks!

 

EDIT: This isn't the gamethread. But I don't care!

[Behindenemylines]

The Drew signing while in hindsight looks bad, at the time of WMB injury the sox had nobody to play 3b and the only thing drew cost was money so it seemed like an obvious choice. I don't blame Ben for signing him, I mean Drew went from a top 5 offensive SS that should have won the AL gold glove to a Red Sox fans punch line. I would imagine at some point after the trade deadline that he will heat up and the Sox will put him on waivers. In reference to the future of Red Sox left side, XB is probably the 3b of the future anyways as Cecchini has not take a positive step this year and WMB hasn't taken a positive step since 2012. I wouldn't be surprised if Marrero is the opening day SS in 2015.

 

Went to Sea Dogs game in Trenton the other night and Marrero looked really good. Looks really good with the glove, and hit the ball pretty good as well. First AB he hit a ball to dead center that the CF made a nice catch at the wall.