Marahiro Tanaka And Sox Starting Rotation.

[User Name]

There needs to be a sarcasm button for the internet. I was replying to iortiz with that tongue-in-cheek comment. He said that Samardzija was overrated because he remembered a bad start against the Phillies.

 

He's agreeing with you i believe.

[iortiz]

Lol at not needing business knowledge when over a hundred million dollars is at stake.

 

For what we are discussing here, you do not need it, trust me.

[rjortiz]

My thought process is fine. Re-read what I have wrote.

 

They are saying that you criticize the Cubs for not making big moves in free agency. Unless that's not true, they are right.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Why would I trust you?

[iortiz]

There needs to be a sarcasm button for the internet. I was replying to iortiz with that tongue-in-cheek comment. He said that Samardzija was overrated because he remembered a bad start against the Phillies.

 

 

and other games rj. I simply don't like the guy, and yeah, IMO he is overrated, but that's me.

[iortiz]

They are saying that you criticize the Cubs for not making big moves in free agency. Unless that's not true, they are right.

 

Please show me (or anyone) when or where I said that

 

I'll wait.

[User Name]

They are saying that you criticize the Cubs for not making big moves in free agency. Unless that's not true, they are right.

 

He has criticized (not the Cubs, but rather Theo Epstein) for both not making big moves to bring the team to respectability, and now for a rumor that they may be trying to make a big move to bring the team to respectability as their top position prospects are ready to ascend to the Majors. Lolwut?

[iortiz]

Why would I trust you?

 

because is an opinion, JE.

[iortiz]

He has criticized (not the Cubs, but rather Theo Epstein) for both not making big moves to bring the team to respectability, and now for a rumor that they may be trying to make a big move to bring the team to respectability as their top position prospects are ready to ascend to the Majors. Lolwut?

 

********.

 

Reread my post #443.

[rjortiz]

Totally wrong, JE.

 

Thing is, The cubs are not in a I-want-to-win-it-all mode right now, since they are "rebuilding" the team. My point all along is why in the hell spend such kind of money now, when you are 2-3 years to win. IMO i see more question marks than probable rewards making this move right now. Some are saying that he could be at his prime in 2 or 3 years, fine but IMO they would be gambling a lot here if that were the strategy. I would spend a la Mariners/Toronto when I'm in a position to at least be a legit contender on paper. But that's me.

 

You can't say with certainty that the Cubs are two to three years away from winning. They can't even be ruled out from making a playoff run next year. They aren't Astros bad. Remember the 2012 Orioles, A's, and Nationals? The Orioles and A's were expected to finish at the bottom of their divisions, but ending up winning 90+ games. The Nationals were projected to finish with 75-85 wins, but were the best team in baseball. Teams can easily exceed expectations, and the Cubs aren't completely devoid of talented players. Rizzo and Castro could both rebound. Samardjiza, Jackson, and Tanaka could all pitch lights outs. A few surprise years, some luck, and regression from the rest of the NL Central and they could be a playoff team. Granted, they have a higher chance to finish with 70 wins, but their chances aren't 0%.

 

You also have to remember that this isn't all about 2014. They are signing him to a long-term contract because they expect him to anchor their rotation for the next decade. They expect him to be around when they are contending again. Why do you think bad teams give long-term contracts to their young stars? Players like Tanaka don't come around very often. He's only 25, and he's likely to make an impact for the length of his contract.

[User Name]

Don't forget the wealth of position prospects they have that could make a real impact as soon as the second half of 2014, including but not limited to Jorge Soler, Javier Baez, Kris Bryant and Mike Olt.

[mvp 78]

There needs to be a sarcasm button for the internet. I was replying to iortiz with that tongue-in-cheek comment. He said that Samardzija was overrated because he remembered a bad start against the Phillies.

 

Damn. I'm slow today. Sorry, too busy with tax returns to pay closer attention.

[iortiz]

You can't say with certainty that the Cubs are two to three years away from winning. They can't even be ruled out from making a playoff run next year. They aren't Astros bad. Remember the 2012 Orioles, A's, and Nationals? The Orioles and A's were expected to finish at the bottom of their divisions, but ending up winning 90+ games. The Nationals were projected to finish with 75-85 wins, but were the best team in baseball. Teams can easily exceed expectations, and the Cubs aren't completely devoid of talented players. Rizzo and Castro could both rebound. Samardjiza, Jackson, and Tanaka could all pitch lights outs. A few surprise years, some luck, and regression from the rest of the NL Central and they could be a playoff team. Granted, they have a higher chance to finish with 70 wins, but their chances aren't 0%.

 

You also have to remember that this isn't all about 2014. They are signing him to a long-term contract because they expect him to anchor their rotation for the next decade. They expect him to be around when they are contending again. Why do you think bad teams give long-term contracts to their young stars? Players like Tanaka don't come around very often. He's only 25, and he's likely to make an impact for the length of his contract.

I don't have certainty of nothing. You neither. Nobody has. It's my opinion, rj.

 

Some people believe that this could take even longer, probably 5 years. IDK. Nobody knows. IMO this would be a huge mistake if the rummor were true. He is an unproven kid at mlb level. if the name were Fernandez or Kershaw I would reconsider, but still the financial commitment would be insane.

[User Name]

Nobody's disputing that 8/200 would be insane, then again, nobody's expecting them to sign him for that high.

[iortiz]

One report saying the cubs may be willing to go up to 8/200 for Tanaka. Just sign already so the rest of free agency can happen. I know it is a first-world problem, but Tanaka is singlehandedly screwing up baseball player family plans by holding up the market. Some of these players are going to have to less than two weeks to figure out where they are going to live before spring training.

 

More importantly, I am impatient.

 

Nobody's disputing that 8/200 would be insane, then again, nobody's expecting them to sign him for that high.

 

No?

 

All the discussion started with Pal's post. I said "oh Theo boy" assuming that the report was "true". Then you began your typical storm s***. Do not believe me? check it out.

[a700hitter]

and other games rj. I simply don't like the guy, and yeah, IMO he is overrated, but that's me.

The Shark is at a crossroads. It's time for him to translate his potential into performance. He was terrible last season-- a flop.

[User Name]

*Shitstorm, and no. I was disputing YOUR idea that they may go that high, and if they did, it would be an ownership move. The "storm s***" started by your incessant need to s*** on Epstein, which is extremely annoying.

[User Name]

The cavalry arrives!

[seabeachfred]

I don't have certainty of nothing. You neither. Nobody has. It's my opinion, rj.

 

Some people believe that this could take even longer, probably 5 years. IDK. Nobody knows. IMO this would be a huge mistake if the rummor were true. He is an unproven kid at mlb level. if the name were Fernandez or Kershaw I would reconsider, but still the financial commitment would be insane.

 

RJ---You made a strong point when you said that you can never tell about some teams suddenly putting it together from one year to the next....Nationals, Orioles and A's, and that can be buttressed by the Red Sox from 2012-2013. In my opinion, unless the Tanaka people are jerking the Cubs off and are holding out for the Yankees or Dodgers, I think the Cubs signing this guy would be a coup. I honestly believe the Cubs will be 10-15 games better this season because the Brewers seem to be going another way and the Reds and Pirates did very little to improve themselves this winter. Besides, Tanaka can grow with the young prospects that could revive the Cubs. Jorge Solar is just about ready and Kris Bryant is pretty close to that and there are some other good players within two years of breaking through the lineup. I think this could be a win-win situation for Chicago and if Theo gets the green light he should move on it.......just as long as this isn't some soap opera by Tanaka to force the Yanks or Bums to raise the ante.

[iortiz]

*Shitstorm, and no. I was disputing YOUR idea that they may go that high, and if they did, it would be an ownership move. The "storm s***" started by your incessant need to s*** on Epstein, which is extremely annoying.

 

shitstorm? shitstorm then. Pendejadas in spanish, google it.. Again, I have nothing against TE. why would I? LOL! I'm simply pointing out my opinion in this regard.

 

That's the thing, this call/suggestion is on TE, and the ownerships of course are who approve the move, plain and simple. I bet the ownership didn't even know who in the hell was this guy.

Edited January 21, 2014 by iortiz

[iortiz]

The cavalry arrives!

 

Jealous?

[iortiz]

The Shark is at a crossroads. It's time for him to translate his potential into performance. He was terrible last season-- a flop.

 

Terrible.

 

As long he is not in red sox uniform, everything is going to be alright LOL!

[Palodios]

No?

 

All the discussion started with Pal's post. I said "oh Theo boy" assuming that the report was "true". Then you began your typical storm s***. Do not believe me? check it out.

 

Where is there any assumption at all? Most of my post is blabbering about how annoying the Tanaka saga has been.

[User Name]

Yeah, and he felt a need to hilariously turn it into a Theo hate post and hijack the thread. Good times.

[iortiz]

Where is there any assumption at all? Most of my post is blabbering about how annoying the Tanaka saga has been.

 

I know Pal. It wasn't your assumption, it was mine. so, what?

[rjortiz]

I don't have certainty of nothing. You neither. Nobody has. It's my opinion, rj.

 

Some people believe that this could take even longer, probably 5 years. IDK. Nobody knows. IMO this would be a huge mistake if the rummor were true. He is an unproven kid at mlb level. if the name were Fernandez or Kershaw I would reconsider, but still the financial commitment would be insane.

 

I can understand this point of view. There's a lot of uncertainty with Tanaka. I'm just disagreeing with the opinion that the Cubs shouldn't try to improve themselves, because they have little chances of competing in 2014.

[User Name]

On the flip side of the coin, is there certainty that Tanaka will be much of an improvement over the medium-long term. I can understand the financial aspect of it (he would put butts in the seats) but will he be half as good as advertised?

[iortiz]

Yeah, and he felt a need to hilariously turn it into a Theo hate post and hijack the thread. Good times.

 

Yeah, because IMO it would be a bad move and happens that TE is behind of this. does this opinion turns me into TE hater? really?

 

You began con las pendejadas, not me. You just can't shut up, I thought you were ignoring me.

Edited January 21, 2014 by iortiz

[a700hitter]

Amazing that people feel the need to deep throat former Sox FO guys. Who cares about them one way or another?

[iortiz]

Amazing that people feel the need to deep throat former Sox FO guys. Who cares about them one way or another?

 

Kids certainly no LOL!.

 

Just kidding Pal.