Ellsbury out

[Station 13]

We don't need Ells.

 

@Ryan_Kalish: I can't wait to play baseball again

 

is that replay on tape over the past 3 season?

[mvp 78]

is that replay on tape over the past 3 season?

 

Seems to be!

[a700hitter]

How many shoulder operations has Kalish had and he has had upper spinal surgery? I guess that he could make it back, but his ceiling wasn't real high anyway.

[jung]

Well three shoulder I think...maybe more but I think three anyway.

[sk7326]

How many shoulder operations has Kalish had and he has had upper spinal surgery? I guess that he could make it back, but his ceiling wasn't real high anyway.

 

Higher ceiling than Reddick if he could ever get healthy - but sadly, just never in the cards.

[Thunder]

We don't need Ells.

 

@Ryan_Kalish: I can't wait to play baseball again

 

If that's a real tweet than I don't believe it.

[VA Sox Fan]

If that's a real tweet than I don't believe it.

 

Whaaaaat?

[mvp 78]

If that's a real tweet than I don't believe it.

 

*then

[marklmw]

If that's a real tweet than I don't believe it.

 

Ellsbury and right-fielder Shane Victorino both ranked in the Top 5 in Zone Runs, one of the top metrics for defensive players. Ellsbury led all outfielders with 23 Zone Runs, which is the number of runs above or below what an average player was worth, based on number of plays made. Victorino led all AL right-fielders with 15, and was fifth overall.

 

Jacoby Ellsbury led the majors in stolen bases with 52 and was caught just four times, which is a caught-stealing percentage of 92.9 percent and the highest ever for a player with 50 or more steals.

[marklmw]

Having JBJ in the wings is a major reason why some fans say that we we do not need him. I think also many fans feel that the Sox will have to pay more for what they think he is worth to re-sign him. Ellsbury deserves some love from Sox fans. He is a great player but we do have JBJ which is awesome so it makes Ellsbury expendable.

The Sox are lucky to the Bogaerts and JBJ to step in next season freeing up all kinds of money to be used elsewhere. If Ellsbury demands crazy kind of money like Cano then it makes the Sox decision to go with JBJ easier to make.

[dupree]

Having JBJ in the wings is a major reason why some fans say that we we do not need him. I think also many fans feel that the Sox will have to pay more for what they think he is worth to re-sign him. Ellsbury deserves some love from Sox fans. He is a great player but we do have JBJ which is awesome so it makes Ellsbury expendable.

The Sox are lucky to the Bogaerts and JBJ to step in next season freeing up all kinds of money to be used elsewhere. If Ellsbury demands crazy kind of money like Cano then it makes the Sox decision to go with JBJ easier to make.

Agreed. But Cano is not gonna get $300million from anyone. And if Boras prices Ells outta town then i hate to see him go and think we will be alot weaker in the outfield and on the bases plus leading off. I hope they bring him back and im thinking that if we win it all Ells will definitely be back, i mean i know Boras is all about getting max contract but if Ells wins another Championship here hes not gonna want to go to a team like Seattle who is gonna overpayand for him to stand in the outfield and watch 4 outta 5 pitchers struggle only expection being King Felix. I hope Ells is back and use JBJ for pitching.

[marklmw]

Agreed. But Cano is not gonna get $300million from anyone. And if Boras prices Ells outta town then i hate to see him go and think we will be alot weaker in the outfield and on the bases plus leading off. I hope they bring him back and im thinking that if we win it all Ells will definitely be back, i mean i know Boras is all about getting max contract but if Ells wins another Championship here hes not gonna want to go to a team like Seattle who is gonna overpayand for him to stand in the outfield and watch 4 outta 5 pitchers struggle only expection being King Felix. I hope Ells is back and use JBJ for pitching.

 

I doubt that Cano will get a 200M contract never mind 305M. There is a chance that Sox Management cannot come to terms with Ellsbury but Ellsbury ends up taking the QO because no team wants to give up a top draft pick and pay Ellsbury at the same time. This would work out really well because it will give the Sox a good opportunity to see JBJ play over a full season.

[User Name]

What makes you doubt Cano gets 200 mill? That's probably the least he's going to get with how the market's shaping up.

[marklmw]

What makes you doubt Cano gets 200 mill? That's probably the least he's going to get with how the market's shaping up.

 

IMO I think that the $pankees are wising up. I doubt if they will bid against themselves like they did with ARoid. I could be wrong and about 1/2 the time I am but I do not see Cano making more than 25M per and I think that any team that does give him 25M per will only do so for 5-6 years. Based on my assumptions that will leave him short of 200M. What do you think he will get?

[User Name]

IMO I think that the $pankees are wising up. I doubt if they will bid against themselves like they did with ARoid. I could be wrong and about 1/2 the time I am but I do not see Cano making more than 25M per and I think that any team that does give him 25M per will only do so for 5-6 years. Based on my assumptions that will leave him short of 200M. What do you think he will get?

 

9/220. I think the problem won't be the Yankees bidding against themselves, but rather the presence of the Dodgers and their near-infinite money pool driving up the prices for his services. I think it's the Dodgers that end up signing him unless A-Rod is suspended for all of 2014.

[dupree]

I doubt that Cano will get a 200M contract never mind 305M. There is a chance that Sox Management cannot come to terms with Ellsbury but Ellsbury ends up taking the QO because no team wants to give up a top draft pick and pay Ellsbury at the same time. This would work out really well because it will give the Sox a good opportunity to see JBJ play over a full season.

It would be nice to see JBJ play over a full season before handing him the job before Ells departs but that may be sooner rather than later. Teams will be calling Boras checking in on Ells' asking price and one team will try to overpay and may land him other than the Sox. I hope hes here next year along with Salty and Napoli. Id say Drew is on the outs. And a couple of relievers maybe form within, and atleast one starter. Demp done well for eating innings but would rather see him depart for some prospects. A rotation of Buch, Lester, Peavy, Lackey, and one more starter brought in this offseason with Doubrant waiting in the wings or a starter from the Minors giving his shot. I like Workman or Barnes to feel out the rotation. Im excited for the playoffs and hope the Sox win it all. After that this offseason will be interesting and i hope Ben works his magic again and gets us back to the playoffs for many years to come.

[Station 13]

has this been mention? Dave Cameron said Ellsbury floor is $125M on the market, and I do think he will get that. Phillies need a splash this off-season. I wouldn't rule out the Mariners either, they tried for Hamilton last year.

[marklmw]

It would be nice to see JBJ play over a full season before handing him the job before Ells departs but that may be sooner rather than later. Teams will be calling Boras checking in on Ells' asking price and one team will try to overpay and may land him other than the Sox. I hope hes here next year along with Salty and Napoli. Id say Drew is on the outs. And a couple of relievers maybe form within, and atleast one starter. Demp done well for eating innings but would rather see him depart for some prospects. A rotation of Buch, Lester, Peavy, Lackey, and one more starter brought in this offseason with Doubrant waiting in the wings or a starter from the Minors giving his shot. I like Workman or Barnes to feel out the rotation. Im excited for the playoffs and hope the Sox win it all. After that this offseason will be interesting and i hope Ben works his magic again and gets us back to the playoffs for many years to come.

The off-season will be interesting for Boston as I feel that are working from a position of strength ... expectations are high and they should be after finishing this season with the best record.

[marklmw]

9/220. I think the problem won't be the Yankees bidding against themselves, but rather the presence of the Dodgers and their near-infinite money pool driving up the prices for his services. I think it's the Dodgers that end up signing him unless A-Rod is suspended for all of 2014.

You do realize that if Cano for 8 years vs. 9 and at the same $ per he comes in at 196M? So you and I are not that far off ... but I do not think he will get more than 6 years. The smart clubs will not continue to give both high AAV and high # of years at the same time. 25M per is about Cano's value in a big market. Pedroia did him no favors.

[Bellhorn04]

My bet for Cano is 8 years 210 million.

[marklmw]

My bet for Cano is 8 years 210 million.

 

The Yankees will probably give him that. They can use him as DH later in his career as the stadium is built for him.

[User Name]

You do realize that if Cano for 8 years vs. 9 and at the same $ per he comes in at 196M? So you and I are not that far off ... but I do not think he will get more than 6 years. The smart clubs will not continue to give both high AAV and high # of years at the same time. 25M per is about Cano's value in a big market. Pedroia did him no favors.

 

The shorter the contract, the higher the AAV. And Pedroia very much signed a team-friendly deal (given the current value of offense in positions of scarcity in the current market). He'll probably get something in the vicinity of what Bellhorn and i are betting on. He's the premium FA on the market, with the biggest financial colossus vying for his services. He'll get his years/money.

[sk7326]

IMO I think that the $pankees are wising up. I doubt if they will bid against themselves like they did with ARoid. I could be wrong and about 1/2 the time I am but I do not see Cano making more than 25M per and I think that any team that does give him 25M per will only do so for 5-6 years. Based on my assumptions that will leave him short of 200M. What do you think he will get?

 

One of the 5 or 6 best players in the league - he will be rewarded. The only guy who you can justify a 200 million investment on.

[jacksonianmarch]

I still think the Dodgers aren't serious in this. Either that, or they are printing money in Chavez Ravine. If they nab Cano on a ridiculous deal, they'll be in the 250+ mil range and that is before a Kershaw extension. They're probably in it to raise the price. I see NY getting him back (regrettably) for 7 yrs $190 mil

[redsoxrules]

I still think the Dodgers aren't serious in this. Either that, or they are printing money in Chavez Ravine. If they nab Cano on a ridiculous deal, they'll be in the 250+ mil range and that is before a Kershaw extension. They're probably in it to raise the price. I see NY getting him back (regrettably) for

7 yrs $190 mil

 

Keep dreaming. He's more likely to be in the 250MIL range

[marklmw]

The shorter the contract, the higher the AAV. And Pedroia very much signed a team-friendly deal (given the current value of offense in positions of scarcity in the current market). He'll probably get something in the vicinity of what Bellhorn and i are betting on. He's the premium FA on the market, with the biggest financial colossus vying for his services. He'll get his years/money.

I think his agent floated the 305M number so that when he signs for 210M the Yankees will feel that they won. Very similar story to when my wife comes home from a day of shopping and I ask her what she spent ...

[marklmw]

I still think the Dodgers aren't serious in this. Either that, or they are printing money in Chavez Ravine. If they nab Cano on a ridiculous deal, they'll be in the 250+ mil range and that is before a Kershaw extension. They're probably in it to raise the price. I see NY getting him back (regrettably) for 7 yrs $190 mil

That is a fair assessment but my final guess after much deliberation and conversation with my fellow Sox fans is 205m/8

[marklmw]

One of the 5 or 6 best players in the league - he will be rewarded. The only guy who you can justify a 200 million investment on.

The Yankees have 3 pretty solid OF prospects in the minors but not much offense going into next season. They will overpay for Cano and give him too many years just as they did for ARoid and Jeter.

[FredLynn]

More on Ellsbury and his upcoming contract negotiations:

 

Lets consider the last four years in terms of games played and OPS.

 

Player A: 147/.756, 132/.847, 154/.704, 122/.801

 

Player B: 18/.485, 158/.928, 74/.682, 134/.781

 

Player A is a bit faster; player B has a MUCH better throwing arm. There is just a two year age difference. Player A costs $13M and is signed for just two more years; Player B is likely to cost $18M or more over at least six years.

 

Which is the better deal?

[sk7326]

More on Ellsbury and his upcoming contract negotiations:

 

Lets consider the last four years in terms of games played and OPS.

 

Player A: 147/.756, 132/.847, 154/.704, 122/.801

 

Player B: 18/.485, 158/.928, 74/.682, 134/.781

 

Player A is a bit faster; player B has a MUCH better throwing arm. There is just a two year age difference. Player A costs $13M and is signed for just two more years; Player B is likely to cost $18M or more over at least six years.

 

Which is the better deal?

 

Actual age, assessment of defense matter. Using those numbers though it'd be non-Ellsbury.