A-Rod's Future (Bans, Injuries and Fraud)

[Spudboy]

What you said is pretty much what's been said by the "pundits". He's suing the MLBPA for not providing adequate protection for him during the arbitration process.

 

 

Oh. This is disappointing to know. I just thought I was being intuitive and using common sense.

[SoxSport]

I watched that 60 minutes Sunday nite, and the biggest shock to me was this guy Bosch, MLB's chief informant, told the world MLB's PED testing was useless. You time the doses right, you pass any tests after the game.

 

Now if the media wasn't so busy vilifying ARod for being one of many cheaters--as it turns out--maybe they would have taken note of this.

But maybe they aren't interested in pointing the finger at anyone else. After all, only ARod has a $100 million dollar contract the Yankees are desperate to have voided.

 

But why would the media be so pro-Yankee? It's about money. TV money. The networks based mainly in NY. CBS, etc. Their media pundits have been the most vocal against ARod.The MLB channel is run by an ex CBS sports executive. And then there's the Yankee-owned Yes network--worth $3 billion. Big money--the cable business.

 

ARod is filing suit because he thinks he has been singled out unfairly. He could blow MLB out of the water if he started naming other names.

The Mitchell report said everybody knew, and a lot of players were involved. My guess is more players than you think are still involved--getting around the testing with clever timing. So much for PED testing.

 

That's the message I got out of Mr Bosch on Sunday. But if he isn't telling the truth, MLB is up the creek without a paddle.

Edited January 15, 2014 by SoxSport

[pinstripezac]

solid post SoxSport

 

I have always said what I don't like about the testing is

that it allows to many people to think those not caught are clean

 

anyone who watched 60 mins tell me

was there anything about Bosch that made U think

he was the only one smart enough to do what he does

or that no one else would do such a thing

[pinstripezac]

He could blow MLB out of the water if he started naming other names.

.

 

 

Neil Best ‏@sportswatch 11m

 

Joe Tacopina told @ESPN_Colin he did not want to name other players accused of PED use, "but some of them are God-like in Boston right now."

[Youk Of The Nation]

Neil Best ‏@sportswatch 11m

 

Joe Tacopina told @ESPN_Colin he did not want to name other players accused of PED use, "but some of them are God-like in Boston right now."

 

"I don't want to name names, but all the important Red Sox are juicing." Really? I hope by reposting a tweet from the totally not-trying-to-deflect-attention-and-completely-unbiased Joe Tacopina, the highly paid and professional legal counsel for the most legally distraught player on the Red Sox' biggest rival, you aren't actually trying to get us all riled up. I'm not saying it's impossible, but given that no Sox player has tested positive since the new testing was initiated and also given the fact that the only Sox player who was even accused or hinted at was accused of using in 2003, you'll forgive me if I don't consider Joe Tacopina's word to be anything other than blather.

[pinstripezac]

you aren't actually trying to get us all riled up

 

am I allowed to pleade the 5th ;-)

 

 

given that no Sox player has tested positive since the new testing was initiated .

 

not sure what that's worth youk

considering 10 guys just got busted without failing a test

 

 

 

you'll forgive me if I don't consider Joe Tacopina's word to be anything other than blather

 

I would expect nothing less as I would do the same if I was so inclined

 

here's more

Edited January 15, 2014 by pinstripezac

[pinstripezac]

UPDATE, 10:45 p.m.: Tacopina, via an email to the Globe, denied he was alluding to Ortiz in his comments. But he would not say who he was referring to.

 

It is unclear what other Boston athlete fits the description given by Tacopina.

[a700hitter]

In Baseball's attempt to clean up the game and rid itself of the stigma of PEDs has managed to give itself another black eye. I think it has become evident that its testing program is a farce that can be easily circumvented. As Pinstripe said, a bunch of guys just got suspended that had not failed the testing.

[SoxSport]

In Baseball's attempt to clean up the game and rid itself of the stigma of PEDs has managed to give itself another black eye. I think it has become evident that its testing program is a farce that can be easily circumvented. As Pinstripe said, a bunch of guys just got suspended that had not failed the testing.

 

Pretty risky going after ARod like this--singling him out. They could have just buried him in the background with a Braun-like suspension.

Now they risk opening up a can of worms--exposing the testing as a farce.

 

What was their motivation singling out ARod? Follow the money.

[redsoxrules]

Singling out A-rod?

If A-rod was any smart he would worked a deal prior to all this fiasco. A-Rod is doing all this to himself.

He's f***ing stupid and could of did what Braun did.

[BSN07]

I'd be surprised if Pedroia was using. Other then him I wouldn't be surprised by anyone really. I think the PED issue is stupid. They are professional athletes let them use. Use the drug test for amateurs who can't typically afford hard to trace PEDs and would be hurt more by some kind of penalty that would make the ineligible for professional sports or something idk. This system is stupid and obviously it isn't getting the results it was aiming for.

 

The only way to make them stop is like I and others have said around here, make the penalty financial.

 

1st time offense: 100 games, no pay, league minimum for a calender year( remaining salary to be donated of course)

 

2nd offense: Suspension for a calender year, no pay, remaining contract now becomes voidable at the teams discretion, league minimum for 328 games

 

3rd offense: contract is immediately terminated, out of the league.

[User Name]

Singling out A-rod?

If A-rod was any smart he would worked a deal prior to all this fiasco. A-Rod is doing all this to himself.

He's f***ing stupid and could of did what Braun did.

 

It's not rocket science. It was widely reported that the league gave A-Rod the chance to negotiate, and he responded by starting this clusterf***. It's clear that some here have a selective reading problem.

[seabeachfred]

I'd be surprised if Pedroia was using. Other then him I wouldn't be surprised by anyone really. I think the PED issue is stupid. They are professional athletes let them use. Use the drug test for amateurs who can't typically afford hard to trace PEDs and would be hurt more by some kind of penalty that would make the ineligible for professional sports or something idk. This system is stupid and obviously it isn't getting the results it was aiming for.

 

The only way to make them stop is like I and others have said around here, make the penalty financial.

 

1st time offense: 100 games, no pay, league minimum for a calender year( remaining salary to be donated of course)

 

2nd offense: Suspension for a calender year, no pay, remaining contract now becomes voidable at the teams discretion, league minimum for 328 games

 

3rd offense: contract is immediately terminated, out of the league.

 

That's a helluva suggestion BSN and to me a totally fair and equitable one, but MLB would never go that far in my opinion because baseball is their cash cow and the risk that some of the best players in the game could be juicing would make the talent pool decline and with it the crowds that baseball has enjoyed. However, a commissioner with some balls could initiate such a plan and I think the fans and most players would fall in line with it.

[Mr Tibbs]

In a weird way I kinda feel sorry for the guy. Not because I feel that the league has been too hard on him or because his is innocent, but because it's fairly obvious this idiot has surrounded himself by yes men that are all lawyers. To me it seems that there is nobody in his life that is willing to tell him the truth because they are afraid that the money flow will stop.

 

That's a pretty sad situation even if you put yourself in it.

 

He's still a jackhole that has put himself in this situation by using PEDs but now it's just getting sad.

[User Name]

Estimates say A-Rod is spending about a million dollars a month on legal fees. If you were one of his lawyers, would you tell him not to go on with his stupid crusade knowing you can make this much money off of him and that there's a sliver of a chance he may actually get away with winning this thing? I highly doubt it.

[jacksonianmarch]

Agree completely UN. Did you see ARod's lawyer on 60 minutes? The guy is the definition of a scumbag, greaseball lawyer. He'll deny until the cows come home if it means he's getting a 7 figure paycheck

[User Name]

I haven't actually caught the whole thing, but plan to do so today.

[Bellhorn04]

Agree completely UN. Did you see ARod's lawyer on 60 minutes? The guy is the definition of a scumbag, greaseball lawyer. He'll deny until the cows come home if it means he's getting a 7 figure paycheck

 

Like Better Call Saul on Breaking Bad.

[SoxSport]

Agree completely UN. Did you see ARod's lawyer on 60 minutes? The guy is the definition of a scumbag, greaseball lawyer. He'll deny until the cows come home if it means he's getting a 7 figure paycheck

 

spoken like a true Yankee fan.

[SoxSport]

Singling out A-rod?

If A-rod was any smart he would worked a deal prior to all this fiasco. A-Rod is doing all this to himself.

He's f***ing stupid and could of did what Braun did.

 

We don't know what went on behind the scenes about any deals.It isn't clear what ARod is pissed about. Is it the greater penalty vs Braun et al? Or is it that he is getting the worst penalty and he hasn't been caught in the PED testing. It is his word vs this guy Bosch, and we know what the lawyers will do to him--like they did to the others with Clemens, Bonds, etc.. They'll undermine his credibility.

[redsoxrules]

We don't know what went on behind the scenes about any deals.It isn't clear what ARod is pissed about. Is it the greater penalty vs Braun et al? Or is it that he is getting the worst penalty and he hasn't been caught in the PED testing. It is his word vs this guy Bosch, and we know what the lawyers will do to him--like they did to the others with Clemens, Bonds, etc.. They'll undermine his credibility.

 

It's been talked about quite a lot that Arod could have had a similar deal Braun had.

He's an idiot not doing so.

[Behindenemylines]

$panks will probably pay ARod off to stay away in 2015. I think we have seen the last of ARod. It will be just like Bonds. No team is going to want to deal with all of this crap.

[rjortiz]

$panks will probably pay ARod off to stay away in 2015. I think we have seen the last of ARod. It will be just like Bonds. No team is going to want to deal with all of this crap.

 

I agree. New York will buy him out and he'll never play again.

[rjortiz]

Like Better Call Saul on Breaking Bad.

 

Saul would have got the suspension dropped.

[rjortiz]

 

According to Jeff Passan and Tim Brown of Yahoo! Sports, MLB player representatives "overwhelmingly agreed" that Alex Rodriguez should be kicked out of the union during a 90-minute conference call last week.

The call occurred on the day Rodriguez sued both MLB and the players' union. While union leadership quickly advised the player reps that kicking A-Rod out of the union is not legally possible, this is the latest indication that he could have trouble returning to a major league clubhouse. "That's what everyone was thinking," said one player. "We wanted to get on this call and not let him back. [To say,] ‘This is our game and we don't want you in it.'"

 

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/mlb/417869/players-wanted-to-expel-a-rod-from-union

 

He definitely played his last game.

[seabeachfred]

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/mlb/417869/players-wanted-to-expel-a-rod-from-union

 

He definitely played his last game.

 

It would appear that way RJ but you never know. I think our best bet is to guess who he will sue next.

[rjortiz]

It would appear that way RJ but you never know. I think our best bet is to guess who he will sue next.

 

Probably his lawyer. I think Rodriguez is narcissistic enough to believe he's truly innocent.

[jacksonianmarch]

I think he has played his last game, but he hasn't earned his last dime from baseball. That contract is ironclad. If the Yankees consider the salary a sunk cost, how much do you think ARod would be worth even if he was clean at 40 coming off a full year out of baseball? I'd say a MiLB deal, maybe? He has an escalator in his contract for passing Mays, which is worth $6 mil. He's 7 HR's from passing Mays, something he likely will surpass in his next full season. NY will have to weigh whether ARod playing is worth paying out an additional $6 mil. My guess is that it isn't. Also, ARod is a prideful man. He wouldn't take being cut very well. He also won't take the abuse he's gonna get from current players very well. When you sue the union, you sue all of the players collectively. He's absolutely f***ed. Once ARod figures out that he's become a total pariah and is completely exiled from everyone in the game, he will likely crawl back into NY to negotiate a buyout and retire. I don't think his ego could take the idea that he's a FA and nobody wants him. I also don't think he wants to be cut by NY. There will be a cost in that. There will also be a cost in getting money up front instead of having to wait 3 more years to be paid. I bet ARod negotiates a buyout in 2014 at some time for around $45-50 mil.

[rjortiz]

I think he has played his last game, but he hasn't earned his last dime from baseball. That contract is ironclad. If the Yankees consider the salary a sunk cost, how much do you think ARod would be worth even if he was clean at 40 coming off a full year out of baseball? I'd say a MiLB deal, maybe? He has an escalator in his contract for passing Mays, which is worth $6 mil. He's 7 HR's from passing Mays, something he likely will surpass in his next full season. NY will have to weigh whether ARod playing is worth paying out an additional $6 mil. My guess is that it isn't. Also, ARod is a prideful man. He wouldn't take being cut very well. He also won't take the abuse he's gonna get from current players very well. When you sue the union, you sue all of the players collectively. He's absolutely f***ed. Once ARod figures out that he's become a total pariah and is completely exiled from everyone in the game, he will likely crawl back into NY to negotiate a buyout and retire. I don't think his ego could take the idea that he's a FA and nobody wants him. I also don't think he wants to be cut by NY. There will be a cost in that. There will also be a cost in getting money up front instead of having to wait 3 more years to be paid. I bet ARod negotiates a buyout in 2014 at some time for around $45-50 mil.

 

Why would he have to accept a buyout? The Yankees will have to pay him the full $61 million that he's owed, and I think they will gladly pay it. Rodriguez is probably delusional enough that even the threat of him playing in 2015 would force the Yankees hand. I honestly think that he's living in his own world, and that he can't process that he did something wrong. If he's not forced out, he'll try to play.

[jacksonianmarch]

There is a time value to money. If they buyout ARod for $50 mil instead of the $61 he's owed, ARod would likely net out even if he invested it smartly. And it would make sense for NY to drop his cap number