Lester's Future

[jung]

In case anybody is wondering, Buch missed his Thursday Bullpen session complaining that he was too sore to make that. Good luck! To me he sounds more and more like a holdover from the entitled Red Sox player era.

[seabeachfred]

In case anybody is wondering, Buch missed his Thursday Bullpen session complaining that he was too sore to make that. Good luck! To me he sounds more and more like a holdover from the entitled Red Sox player era.

 

Right now Buchholz is useless to us. The guy can't stay on the field and he is so much like Ellsbury it's a wonder they're not joined at the hip. Both feel they have to be 100000% before they get back on the field, and to me it is starting to look like 2011 again with Clay. Remember? He'll be back in a week, then two weeks, then a month and finally out for the season. Anyone who counting on him getting back in the fold for us is either very optimistic, naïve or just out to lunch. In the meantime we need a quality starting pitcher very badly because, once again, I don't want to see Webster on that mound one more time. Right now he sucks.

[italstallianion]

In Ellsbury's defense he had Adrian Beltre charge into him and Reid Brignac land on his shoulder. Ellsbury isn't on Drew-family status.

[seabeachfred]

In Ellsbury's defense he had Adrian Beltre charge into him and Reid Brignac land on his shoulder. Ellsbury isn't on Drew-family status.

 

Good point Stallion; perhaps it was really bad luck on Ells' part, but even when he gets a minor injury he does seem to take a long time to get back in action. I heard today that John Henry wants to retain him for the future. We'll see.

[User Name]

Some guys just aren't good healers. Some times it isn't a matter of desire or "being a pussy". If you're not physically ready, then you're not physically ready. I'm not saying that's the case with CB, but it's a possibility.

[jung]

Whatever it is, (and I would not call Buch tough at this point), he has likely forced the Sox into a tough corner as the deadline comes up. He won't be taking the ball before the deadline and I would not bet on the SP they have now if they really think they have a shot at this thing. As good as their record has been so far they have not really gapped the teams that matter. They are only 2 up on the Rays and 4 up on the O's. That is not much of a lead even over the O's.

[Bellhorn04]

So it seems like there's 3 possible scenarios on Buchholz:

 

1) He's a pussy.

2) His injury is much more serious than originally thought.

3) Middle ground, he's not really being a pussy, the shoulder is still bothering him and he's worried that if he pitches today it's going to get worse. But it will get better soon.

[User Name]

I'm trying to read your post, but i'm distracted by Katy Perry's enormous rack.

[BSN07]

I'm trying to read your post, but i'm distracted by Katy Perry's enormous rack.

Happens to me every time too haha

[jung]

Just got to the update on Buch's Friday med. exam. Categorized by Farrell as "benign" with no additional damage found. I guess Buch is considering a second opinion...something he very likely should already have done if he was aggressively trying to get back on the mound as everybody suggests.

 

So, Buch tells everybody he will tell the Sox when he is ready to pitch but has not as yet gotten a second opinion????? I will say it again, one of the last holdovers from the "entitled" Red Sox players....to me a guy that was clearly effected by idiot Beckett and who is basically clueless.

 

In case we have not noticed, we are already in a race only 2.5 up on the surging Rays who could come in here next week as close as .5 down with 4 games to play with the Sox. I have always hated 4 game series with the Rays.

Edited July 20, 2013 by jung

[User Name]

Dude, you don't really know what's going on behind the scenes. It's not on Buchholz that the Sox doctors haven't been able to pinpoint whatever the hell the problem is. And this isn't necessarily in defense of Buchholz, i just find it hilariously ironic how much you spout off about how "entitled" he is. I think it's more entitled to keep questioning someone who clearly has a physical problem that neither he nor the doctors have been able to accurately pinpoint. If he rushed back and lost the rest of the season, then you'd be complaining about the foolishness of him rushing back.

[jung]

My question was....if he is supposedly trying to get back on the mound ASAP, and this has dragged on so long with HIM telling the Sox when he will be ready to pitch...why has he not as yet already gotten a 2nd independent opinion? That simply does not jive. He is telling the Red Sox that this is HIS decision, not theirs and yet he still has not sought an outside independent opinion to this date.....almost 7 weeks in!

 

INDEFENSIBLE!

[VA Sox Fan]

Lester's start pushed back to Tuesday

 

Posted by Julian Benbow, Globe Staff July 20, 2013 02:28 PM

 

 

In order to give his ace Jon Lester extra rest coming out of the all-star break, Red Sox manager John Farrell shuffled the pitching rotation, pushing Lester back two days to Tuesday, moving Ryan Dempster up to start on Sunday.

 

The starter for Monday's series opener against Tampa Bay is still to be determined.

 

"Just coming out of the break, just general wear and tear through the first half of the season," Farrell said. "We have an opportunity to give him a couple of extra days coming out of the break and two, he'll benefit from it."

 

Through his first 20 starts, Lester has throw a team-high 125.2 innings. He staggered into the All-Star break, going 2-6 over his past 11 starts with a 6.27 ERA.

 

"When we came back in for the workout Thursday and then just going through the normal throwing program we've done the last couple of days, just felt like two extra days will help him," Farrell said.

 

A few other notes:

 

• After undergoing treatment for the hamstring injury that will keep him out of Saturday's game, Shane Victorino is expected to return to the lineup Sunday.

 

"Shane has responded favorably to treatment today, Farrell said. "We expect him back in the lineup tomorrow. He's been dealing with this issue for quite a while. We fully expect him to have to deal with it, but it's not to the point to disable him."

 

He tweaked the hamstring chasing down a fly ball in the third inning and aggravated it further running out a ground ball in the bottom half of the inning. He was ultimately replaced by Daniel Nava.

 

"He's come in today feeling better than I think he even anticipated after coming out last night," Farrell said. "So we're hopeful and expecting him to be in the lineup tomorrow."

 

• To make room for the return of Stephen Drew, the Red Sox optioned infielder Brock Holt to Triple A Pawtucket.

 

Farrell had to decided whether he wanted to keep Holt, who hit .290 in 10 games, or Brandon Snyder, who is hitting .231 in 11 games. The decision came down to keeping a right-handed bat on the bench, Farrell said.

 

"Both guys were playing well," Farrell said. "The fact is with Stephen coming back to us, a left-handed hitter, the right-handed guy on the bench fits a little bit better. That was expressed and explained to Brock.

 

"But he gave us everything that we could have hoped for in the time that he was here and probably solidifies further why he was so sought after during the trade in the winter time. He's a valuable player and he's got a place here as we go forward."

[Standing Room]

My question was....if he is supposedly trying to get back on the mound ASAP, and this has dragged on so long with HIM telling the Sox when he will be ready to pitch...why has he not as yet already gotten a 2nd independent opinion? That simply does not jive. He is telling the Red Sox that this is HIS decision, not theirs and yet he still has not sought an outside independent opinion to this date.....almost 7 weeks in!

 

INDEFENSIBLE!

 

So in your mind the Red Sox are telling him to try to pitch through pain and Buchholz is refusing because he wants a vacation? Chill. You have no idea what's going on here, so why assume the worst of our players?

[VA Sox Fan]

So in your mind the Red Sox are telling him to try to pitch through pain and Buchholz is refusing because he wants a vacation? Chill. You have no idea what's going on here, so why assume the worst of our players?[/QUOTE]

 

That's what jung does. It just is.

[User Name]

^Pretty much.

[SoxSport]

In case anybody is wondering, Buch missed his Thursday Bullpen session complaining that he was too sore to make that. Good luck! To me he sounds more and more like a holdover from the entitled Red Sox player era.

 

Maybe they'll get lucky and he'll suddenly decide to play, like Ortiz did in late April.

[Behindenemylines]

If the Sox don't correct their starting pitching problems both the Rays and the Orioles will pass them and they will not make the playoffs. Without a more effective Lester and a healthy Buchholtz they will not make the playoffs. Pushing Lester back is concerning because you won't know what that is all about until you see him pitch again. Because they are involved in discussions with other teams about starting pitching they aren't going to disclose injuries until they have to. If Tuesday comes and Lester doesn't pitch then we have a major problem not only with the current rotation, but also in making a trade for a starter as teams will know the Sox are desperate.

[seabeachfred]

Just got to the update on Buch's Friday med. exam. Categorized by Farrell as "benign" with no additional damage found. I guess Buch is considering a second opinion...something he very likely should already have done if he was aggressively trying to get back on the mound as everybody suggests.

 

So, Buch tells everybody he will tell the Sox when he is ready to pitch but has not as yet gotten a second opinion????? I will say it again, one of the last holdovers from the "entitled" Red Sox players....to me a guy that was clearly effected by idiot Beckett and who is basically clueless.

 

In case we have not noticed, we are already in a race only 2.5 up on the surging Rays who could come in here next week as close as .5 down with 4 games to play with the Sox. I have always hated 4 game series with the Rays.

 

I share your frustration with Buchholz and this whole seemingly unraveling ensemble we call our beloved Red Sox. Certainly Clay could have handled it better by getting a second opinion much sooner than he has---and he still hasn't. I just think the guy is injury prone and not very physically strong. To get hurt falling down covering first base or sleeping with your arm around your daughter are bizarre ways of getting injured if the result is the sidelines for the rest of the season, which now I'm afraid is going to be the case with the guy----the second time in three seasons. I don't know if there is a solution but one possibility is for him to have a total and complete check-up----and not from our medical staff whose incompetence over the past few years has been criminal in its mistakes and misdiagnoses and failed to call for MRI's and the like. Then this off season put him on a rigorous strength training program to give the guy some physical strength so he might be able to hold up from that point on. Right now his absence is casting a pall over the whole pitching staff and most likely a lot of people on this board.

[VA Sox Fan]

I'm really glad I don't get so upset about things that I have absolutely no control over, what so ever.......

 

To each his or her own

[jung]

Dr. Andrews reports that:

1) No structural damage to Buchs shoulder....original diagnosis correct according to Andrews

2) Buch's soreness stems from INACTIVITY. He is continuing to suffer soreness because he has been pitching so infrequently, even throwing so infrequently that when he does throw, he comes up sore.

 

What a joke....

[BSN07]

Hopefully this will help him over the last mental hurdle.

[mvp 78]

Why I don't blame Buch for sitting out: no one on here has faith in the Sox medical staff, so why should he? It wasn't that long ago that the Sox told Buch to just keep pitching. Well he pitched but later found out he had a broken back. Great misdiagnosis there. Remind me again why he should have trusted the Sox in the first place especially when he was feeling pain?

[User Name]

Because he needs to be out there pitching with little regard for his own well being so the armchair GM's will be happy.

[VA Sox Fan]

Since Andrews cleared him, he needs to hopefully only get his head right. No way he should be rushed back by any means.

[a700hitter]

Dr. Andrews reports that:

1) No structural damage to Buchs shoulder....original diagnosis correct according to Andrews

2) Buch's soreness stems from INACTIVITY. He is continuing to suffer soreness because he has been pitching so infrequently, even throwing so infrequently that when he does throw, he comes up sore.

 

What a joke....

He's a pampered princess, but today most of them are that way.

[User Name]

You sure are tough from your couch there a700! Then again, Yaz would have had none of this.

[a700hitter]

You sure are tough from your couch there a700! Then again, Yaz would have had none of this.

Players in Yaz's day would have feared losing their jobs if they missed too much time. Teams invested comparatively little even in their stars, so there was no pressure to justify their big investments by getting them back on the field even if their substitute was outperforming them. Pampered princesses are more the rule today than the exception.

[Bellhorn04]

Personally I'm giving Buchholz the benefit of the doubt on this. I'm taking him at his word that he was afraid that by pitching he was going to further injure his arm. I can understand why a pitcher would be paranoid about the health of his arm. Pitchers' arms get seriously f***ed up on a regular basis.

[a700hitter]

Personally I'm giving Buchholz the benefit of the doubt on this. I'm taking him at his word that he was afraid that by pitching he was going to further injure his arm. I can understand why a pitcher would be paranoid about the health of his arm. Pitchers' arms get seriously f***ed up on a regular basis.

Blame him or not. It took too long to resolve.