Shane Victornio? If So Cherington Must Go!

[Palodios]

Why the fan base has turned against Ellsbury is beyond me. A gold glove defender, with elite speed, capable of a .900+ OPS and people are content swapping him for Shane Victornio.

 

Victorino is in decline. And such a bad signing for that money. Cody Ross is a far better player and only wanted 3-years $25M as much as an overpay as that would have been this Victorino deal is far worse. Victorino only would have made sense on a one-year Cody Ross-2012-type deal.

 

Ellsbury's career -- .297/.349/.442/.791 1 gold glove

Victorino's career --275/.341/.430/.771 3 gold gloves

 

If Victorino is so terrible then so is Ellsbury. Except wait... Victorino is a better base stealer. He's a better defender. He will cost about 90 million dollars less. And he isn't a complete pussy who gets a new owie every week.

[seabeachfred]

Ross is still in play because of a possible Ellsbury trade...makes sense.

 

Or maybe Hamilton is still deep on the Red Sox rader. We all know Lucchino's lust for big splashes and being able to huckster tickets. I still see a possibility of Ells and his injuries being sent away and then maybe moving Shane to center and Hamilton signed to play right. Since Josh can also play CF it would mean we have two crack defensive outfielders playing some the toughest center and right fields in baseball.

 

But will someone tell me where the pitching is coming from if we don't trade Ellsbury?

[KCBRUIN]

Ellsbury's career -- .297/.349/.442/.791 1 gold glove

Victorino's career --275/.341/.430/.771 3 gold gloves

 

If Victorino is so terrible then so is Ellsbury. Except wait... Victorino is a better base stealer. He's a better defender. He will cost about 90 million dollars less. And he isn't a complete pussy who gets a new owie every week.

 

Say what? Ellsbury is a much better base stealer than Victorino.

 

189SB in 581 games vs 201SB in 1076 games.

[SCM33]

We don't need Josh Hamilton.

 

Trade Ellsbury, sign Swisher and then concentrate on making the pitching staff better.

 

Ellsbury would obviously bring back an arm.

[RedSoxNC84]

We don't need Josh Hamilton.

 

Trade Ellsbury, sign Swisher and then concentrate on making the pitching staff better.

 

Ellsbury would obviously bring back an arm.

 

Swisher seems ideal, since they are talking about someone who can play 1B also.

[User Name]

Say what? Ellsbury is a much better base stealer than Victorino.

 

189SB in 581 games vs 201SB in 1076 games.

 

He's talking about stolen base attempt success rate, where Victorino holds an ever-so-slight 82 to 81% edge over Ellsbury.

[KCBRUIN]

He's talking about stolen base attempt success rate, where Victorino holds an ever-so-slight 82 to 81% edge over Ellsbury.

 

Ah.... It makes so much sense now.

[Palodios]

He's talking about stolen base attempt success rate, where Victorino holds an ever-so-slight 82 to 81% edge over Ellsbury.

 

I was actually looking eyeballing it, and looking at the last three years only. Maybe cherrypicking a bit, but the difference was large enough that I assumed the career numbers were similar. Since 2009, Ellsbury's success rate is 76% compared to Victorino's 86% -- that was what I was basing that statement on.

[iortiz]

Sign JH, Ross, Swisher/Victorino. Trade Ellsbury for a solid pitcher and make a pack for Haren and We'd be ready for next season.

[example1]

Sign JH, Ross, Swisher/Victorino. Trade Ellsbury for a solid pitcher and make a pack for Haren and We'd be ready for next season.

 

But Haren signed with WAS today, so he's off the market.

[iortiz]

But Haren signed with WAS today, so he's off the market.

 

Really? Wow! Didn't know...That WSH rotation will be very nice.

[SCM33]

Why the fan base has turned against Ellsbury is beyond me. A gold glove defender, with elite speed, capable of a .900+ OPS and people are content swapping him for Shane Victornio.

 

Victorino is in decline. And such a bad signing for that money. Cody Ross is a far better player and only wanted 3-years $25M as much as an overpay as that would have been this Victorino deal is far worse. Victorino only would have made sense on a one-year Cody Ross-2012-type deal.

 

Ellsbury is a complete question mark.

 

He went over .900 once, He is more of a lock to spend time on the 60 day DL than he is to have a solid year.

 

At least Victorino stays on the field.

[Lord Snow]

But Haren signed with WAS today, so he's off the market.

 

1-year $13M was just too practical for Cherington. Plus he needed that extra $13M to tack on another undeserved year for Shane Victorino! Cherington was quoted as saying that he would have liked to sign Haren if only he could serve as a 5th catcher or be a bat off the bench/late inning defensive replacement.

[mvp 78]

Funny that the Angels, the team who knows his current history the best, only offered Haren $7.5M. Think they know something?

[BSN07]

Funny that the Angels, the team who knows his current history the best, only offered Haren $7.5M. Think they know something?

 

Washington was in a favorable position to overpay on a one year deal.

[jacksonianmarch]

This is a puzzling deal for a team trying to show fiscal constraint. He's coming off a career worst season, is 33 for the 2012 season and makes a lot of his hay with his legs. I agree with the sentiments above that a 1 yr deal is a great idea, but 3 yrs at $13 mil per is a major overpay.

[BSN07]

This is a puzzling deal for a team trying to show fiscal constraint. He's coming off a career worst season, is 33 for the 2012 season and makes a lot of his hay with his legs. I agree with the sentiments above that a 1 yr deal is a great idea, but 3 yrs at $13 mil per is a major overpay.

 

He was a top 8 WAR OF prior to a down 2012. Hunter is like like what 3 years older and got 2/26M. It's a market value deal.

[Orange Juiced]

This is a puzzling deal for a team trying to show fiscal constraint. He's coming off a career worst season, is 33 for the 2012 season and makes a lot of his hay with his legs. I agree with the sentiments above that a 1 yr deal is a great idea, but 3 yrs at $13 mil per is a major overpay.

 

Apparently it's not, since there were several teams offering Victorino similar deals, according to reports. It was a fair market deal.

[BSN07]

Apparently it's not, since there were several teams offering Victorino similar deals, according to reports. It was a fair market deal.

 

Cleveland offered 4/44M. So the Sox saved 5M and got out a year early.

[Laser Show]

1-year $13M was just too practical for Cherington. Plus he needed that extra $13M to tack on another undeserved year for Shane Victorino! Cherington was quoted as saying that he would have liked to sign Haren if only he could serve as a 5th catcher or be a bat off the bench/late inning defensive replacement.

 

Given equal offers from Boston and Washington, I'd go with Washington too. He doesn't have to fill a #1/2 spot in a rotation, and gets to pitch against the Mets and Marlins a bunch of times to improve his numbers.

 

Haren is setting himself up for 1 last big payday.

[BSN07]

Given equal offers from Boston and Washington, I'd go with Washington too. He doesn't have to fill a #1/2 spot in a rotation, and gets to pitch against the Mets and Marlins a bunch of times to improve his numbers.

 

Haren is setting himself up for 1 last big payday.

 

nail.head.end.coversation.

[Palodios]

This is a puzzling deal for a team trying to show fiscal constraint. He's coming off a career worst season, is 33 for the 2012 season and makes a lot of his hay with his legs. I agree with the sentiments above that a 1 yr deal is a great idea, but 3 yrs at $13 mil per is a major overpay.

 

Not true. He turned 32 last week, he'll be playing his 32/33/34 seasons here. So basically, even in the last year of his contract he'll be younger than the average Yankee.

[Palodios]

Given equal offers from Boston and Washington, I'd go with Washington too. He doesn't have to fill a #1/2 spot in a rotation, and gets to pitch against the Mets and Marlins a bunch of times to improve his numbers.

 

Haren is setting himself up for 1 last big payday.

 

The Red Sox should have taken him off the Angel's hands when they hand the chance.

[BSN07]

Not true. He turned 32 last week, he'll be playing his 32/33/34 seasons here. So basically, even in the last year of his contract he'll be younger than the average Yankee.

 

 

Let's not be too hard on him. Red Sox were in a similar boat last off season.

 

At least Valentine is not on his way in, right Jacko?

[a700hitter]

Victorino is a pretty good player. He's a huge upgrade over what we have been rolling out there in the last 2 years. He is a tremendous fielder. I have seen him play a lot when he was with the Phillies. He always seemed to hurt the Mets more than any Philly other than Utley. I remember a few years ago against Johan (before the injury) he took Johan deep for a big Grand Slam. I was surprised at two things: 1. The size of the contract, but Cherries doesn't have the time to negotiate the lowest possible price. He has too much work to do. 2. His splits against RHP. Overall, he is a solid addition for RF, and I don't think that it necessarily a precursor to moving Ells.

[iortiz]

If We paid 39M to Victorino I wonder how much would Swisher and Ross ask...

[onlybereaved]

-Does this Victorino deal not suggest that Swisher or Hamilton are out of the picture as potential acquisitions? Surely we would have chosen Swish over Victorino, no? Maybe Swish didn't wanna come to Boston. I would have rather retained Cody Ross at his asking 25m/3-years than get Victorino, though.

 

-I think Elsbury must be getting dealt so that we can free up some room/money for starting pitching.

 

-I don't think we would go after Wilson when we already have Bard/Aceves/Bailey?

 

-Why wouldn't starting pitching be more of a priority than the moves made so far?

 

I am a newb, someone fill me in. Perplexed here.

[BSN07]

If We paid 39M to Victorino I wonder how much would Swisher and Ross ask...

 

Ross probably gets 2/22M(3/27 max) and Swisher gets 5/65M.

[BSN07]

-Does this Victorino deal not suggest that Swisher or Hamilton are out of the picture as potential acquisitions? Surely we would have chosen Swish over Victorino, no? Maybe Swish didn't wanna come to Boston. I would have rather retained Cody Ross at his asking 25m/3-years than get Victorino, though.

 

-I think Elsbury must be getting dealt so that we can free up some room/money for starting pitching.

 

-I don't think we would go after Wilson when we already have Bard/Aceves/Bailey?

 

-Why wouldn't starting pitching be more of a priority than the moves made so far?

 

I am a newb, someone fill me in. Perplexed here.

 

They could trade Ells and still be looking for a RF

 

Swisher will cost more in terms of years and will send the Yankees a supp 1st rounder.

[Orange Juiced]

Cleveland offered 4/44M. So the Sox saved 5M and got out a year early.

 

Yep. At the cost of a higher AAV, but still, spot-on.