Sox sign Aaron Cook

[Bellhorn04]

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I try to please my friends iortiz. A number of posters have said they like those nicknames, a few say they don't. I find it relieves the frustration that is shaping up this winter as Prune Face Henry sits tight on his wallet and allows Cherry Pie to flood our roster with one stiff after another. Today it was some half-ass infielder who hit 162 for the Mets last season before they shuttled him off to the Rockies. Way to go Cherry .:angry::angry:

 

I like the Hi Ho Silva and Short Order Cook nicknames. Sounds like Chris Berman stuff.

[iortiz]

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I try to please my friends iortiz. A number of posters have said they like those nicknames, a few say they don't. I find it relieves the frustration that is shaping up this winter as Prune Face Henry sits tight on his wallet and allows Cherry Pie to flood our roster with one stiff after another. Today it was some half-ass infielder who hit 162 for the Mets last season before they shuttled him off to the Rockies. Way to go Cherry .:angry::angry:

 

I like your sense of humor. You make this board funnier.

[User Name]

And the short bus fuller.

[SCM33]

Id really like to see if he can contribute.

 

Send Clay to the pen and see if he can works things out while giving Cook a couple starts.

[kapsis21]

Id really like to see if he can contribute.

 

Send Clay to the pen and see if he can works things out while giving Cook a couple starts.

 

so has a decission been made? however i do like having Clay in the bullpen. he definitely can go 3-4 innings which would be perfect till he builds his confidence back.

[a700hitter]

so has a decission been made? however i do like having Clay in the bullpen. he definitely can go 3-4 innings which would be perfect till he builds his confidence back.

In a game like yesterday's, Cook would have thrown strikes and made the batters get themselves out.

[kapsis21]

In a game like yesterday's' date=' Cook would have thrown strikes and made the batters get themselves out.[/quote']

 

that is what i want to see how good he is when he gets called up. seems like no announcement so far..

[Dojji]

In a game like yesterday's' date=' Cook would have thrown strikes and made the batters get themselves out.[/quote']

 

You mean he would have nibbled the corners like Atchison did, and missed not infrequently.

 

Cook can't come into the middle of the zone any more than Atchison can. Either one of them are going to get people out the same way Timlin did in his last couple years here -- find the black, make their pitches possible-but-difficult to put wood on, and hope that the BABIP gods like them today. Atch is usually good at that, had an off night last night, gave up a quick single and had to resort to nibbling. Cook would have approached the same at bats in exactly the same way.

[a700hitter]

You mean he would have nibbled the corners like Atchison did, and missed not infrequently.

 

Cook can't come into the middle of the zone any more than Atchison can. Either one of them are going to get people out the same way Timlin did in his last couple years here -- find the black, make their pitches possible-but-difficult to put wood on, and hope that the BABIP gods like them today. Atch is usually good at that, had an off night last night, gave up a quick single and had to resort to nibbling. Cook would have approached the same at bats in exactly the same way.

A veteran pitcher like Cook would not have nibbled in that situation. He would have made the hitters earn their way in a blow out. When he has been healthy in his career, he walks about 2 per 9 innings.

[Dojji]

He doesn't have the stuff to come into the heart of the zone consistently. The difference between a guy like Cook and most pitchers is that he's better equipped to nibble because of his excellent command. If he leaves one in the sweet spot though, he doesn't have the velo to keep hitters from launching it into orbit.

[User Name]

What's funny is that a lot of the people pining for Cook now are the same people who thought "Short Order Cook" was a "stiff" that should "never make the roster for a team like the Red Sox".

 

It's kind of funny, but also kind of sad.

[kapsis21]

What's funny is that a lot of the people pining for Cook now are the same people who thought "Short Order Cook" was a "stiff" that should "never make the roster for a team like the Red Sox".

 

It's kind of funny, but also kind of sad.

 

Cook over Albers any day.

[FredLynn]

What's funny is that a lot of the people pining for Cook now are the same people who thought "Short Order Cook" was a "stiff" that should "never make the roster for a team like the Red Sox".

 

It's kind of funny, but also kind of sad.

 

Thats absurd. You really think its sad that some of us who doubted Cook now look at how he has done and have changed our minds? What would truly be sad is if we looked at his stats and continued to opine that he doesn't deserve a shot in the rotation or at least on the roster. Situations change. You cannot get stuck in the mud by stubbornly ignoring the facts.

[a700hitter]

Thats absurd. You really think its sad that some of us who doubted Cook now look at how he has done and have changed our minds? What would truly be sad is if we looked at his stats and continued to opine that he doesn't deserve a shot in the rotation or at least on the roster. Situations change. You cannot get stuck in the mud by stubbornly ignoring the facts.

What's sad is that he has emerged from the pile of garbage signed in the off season as our best option. Recognizing that he is our best option doesn't equate to pining for him. I would rather have had a dozen other options, but the FO got guys that had no shot, i.e. Carlos Silva and John Maine. Ohlendorf stinks too.

[User Name]

Thats absurd. You really think its sad that some of us who doubted Cook now look at how he has done and have changed our minds? What would truly be sad is if we looked at his stats and continued to opine that he doesn't deserve a shot in the rotation or at least on the roster. Situations change. You cannot get stuck in the mud by stubbornly ignoring the facts.

 

He's pitching in AAA. Not the AL East. Give me a break. And it's a small sample.

 

I believed from the beginning that he would constitute good depth, and maybe even an option to hold down the 5th spot out of ST, but seriously.

 

And this is also very funny: You've been saying all along that "this is a rebuilding year" and "the Sox should focus on cleaning house and long-term gain". Yet short-term gain from moving Bard to the bullpen is the main factor in your personal pining for Cook, ignoring the possible long-term benefit of converting Bard to a starter.

 

Be consistent.

[FredLynn]

What's sad is that he has emerged from the pile of garbage signed in the off season as our best option. Recognizing that he is our best option doesn't equate to pining for him. I would rather have had a dozen other options' date=' but the FO got guys that had no shot, i.e. Carlos Silva and John Maine. Ohlendorf stinks too.[/quote']

 

I guess that if you throw enough rubbish at the wall some of it may stick. I have no idea if Cook can be successful or for how long any success achieved might last. I just think that based on his performance in the minors he deserves a chance. I mean, can he really be much worse than our #4 and 5 SP from last year? He has to be better than that, right? If he fails, we just jettison him.

[a700hitter]

I guess that if you throw enough rubbish at the wall some of it may stick. I have no idea if Cook can be successful or for how long any success achieved might last. I just think that based on his performance in the minors he deserves a chance. I mean' date=' can he really be much worse than our #4 and 5 SP from last year? He has to be better than that, right? If he fails, we just jettison him.[/quote']Yes. They need to bring him up or release him as of today. Let's see what he has. If he has nothing, he'll be gone.

[User Name]

What's sad is that he has emerged from the pile of garbage signed in the off season as our best option. Recognizing that he is our best option doesn't equate to pining for him. I would rather have had a dozen other options' date=' but the FO got guys that had no shot, i.e. Carlos Silva and John Maine. Ohlendorf stinks too.[/quote']

 

You need to take a reading comprehension course.

[iortiz]

What's sad is that he has emerged from the pile of garbage signed in the off season as our best option. Recognizing that he is our best option doesn't equate to pining for him. I would rather have had a dozen other options' date=' but the FO got guys that had no shot, i.e. Carlos Silva and John Maine. Ohlendorf stinks too.[/quote']

 

Yup.

 

I do not know whether we are on rebuilding or whatever you want to call it, but one thing is for sure, we are on experiment mode. I would give Cook a chance at least in the BP. On the other hand, If they put him in the rotation, send Buch to AAA in order to put his s*** together and in the meantime if Cook does well, well, you just would have found a depth arm when Buch and D-K are ready.

[User Name]

The problem isn't bringing Cook up, it's bringing him up to remove Bard from the rotation, sending him back to the BP. That's short-sighted, and would mean bailing on the Bard as an SP project, without reason to boot.

 

Cook to the rotation for Buchholz makes much more sense, but there's still no guarantee Cook will handle the ALE.

[RedSoxNC84]

Buchholz needs some minor league time I feel like, giving Cook a chance in his spot for a start or two. Besides, if Cook gives up less than 8 runs per start, that's an improvement over our current #3.

[mvp 78]

Can they send him to Pawtucket without putting him on the DL? I believe he's out of options.

[User Name]

Can they send him to Pawtucket without putting him on the DL? I believe he's out of options.

 

Buchholz has a remaining option, the one who doesn't have an option left is Doubront.

[mvp 78]

Buchholz has a remaining option' date=' the one who doesn't have an option left is Doubront.[/quote']

 

Ah, the way I read it was he had one unused option for 2008-9 that has expired. I'm not entirely positive how the process works.

[Laser Show]

Send Buch down to AAA, give him 5 starts there. If he can't figure it out, shut him down for the year (seriously) and send him to Fort Myers to train and get his mind right for 2013. He just doesn't seem right this year, it looks like the mix of recovery, stress, nerves, and god knows what else is getting to him.

[ellsburyforMVP]

I remember the good ol days ( couple yrs ago ) when every big league team wanted buch, and we prob could of got the world for him in a trade....I'm glad we didn't, don't forget- he's not the only one having problems- he is just taking a little longer to work his issues out.....

[a700hitter]

Send Buch down to AAA' date=' give him 5 starts there. If he can't figure it out, shut him down for the year (seriously) and send him to Fort Myers to train and get his mind right for 2013. He just doesn't seem right this year, it looks like the mix of recovery, stress, nerves, and god knows what else is getting to him.[/quote']I think Buchholz has made consistent progress. If he had come out of the game after 6 innings yesterday, it would have been a good quality start. He's probably still building arm strength and stamina. I'd give him 4 or 5 more starts before I'd pull the plug on him. I think the guy that pitched himself off the roster yesterday was Achinson. He has no options left, so they might send Tazawa back to AAA until things shake out a bit more. Albers has to have very little rope left.

[BornToRun]

I think Buchholz has made consistent progress. If he had come out of the game after 6 innings yesterday' date=' it would have been a good quality start. He's probably still building arm strength and stamina. I'd give him 4 or 5 more starts before I'd pull the plug on him. I think the guy that pitched himself off the roster yesterday was Achinson. He has no options left, so they might send Tazawa back to AAA until things shake out a bit more. Albers has to have very little rope left.[/quote']

 

I can't believe I'm saying this but.......gulp...... I agree with you about buchholz.

[a700hitter]

I can't believe I'm saying this but.......gulp...... I agree with you about buchholz.

A watershed moment in TalkSox history!

 

As time goes on we will probably agree more. We are both crazed Sox fans who know the game and can differentiate the good players from the bad ones.

[Elktonnick]

I think Buchholz has made consistent progress. If he had come out of the game after 6 innings yesterday' date=' it would have been a good quality start. He's probably still building arm strength and stamina. I'd give him 4 or 5 more starts before I'd pull the plug on him. I think the guy that pitched himself off the roster yesterday was Achinson. He has no options left, so they might send Tazawa back to AAA until things shake out a bit more. Albers has to have very little rope left.[/quote']

 

Buchholtz problem is neither arm strength nor stamina but confidence and heart. His first inning showed the same flutters that we seen before. Once , however, he realized that the A's were banjo hitters he settled in. He had 72 pitches when he started the 7th. He had a couple of calls go against him and he went to pieces. This has been his problem consistently. At least yesterday, he wasn't pitching "up hill" as he is wont to do. He was keeping the ball down. Also as Gammons mentioned last night, Buchholtz ( and the other red Sox starters) have fallen in love with the cutter and tend to over use it. I personally wish he would lose that pitch. As Gammons said in 2010 when he was second in era he didn't throw the cutter all year.