Ben Cherington

[SCM33]

Tonight was the night that JH gave the reigns to Ben Cherington and told LL to take a seat.......

 

Ben Cheringtons handprints are all over this......maybe we finally have a GM.

[Gringo]

I hope you're right.

[SCM33]

I hope you're right.

 

If LL were involved, no way this trade goes through.

 

This is a blockbuster, I have to think that LL was out of the loop on this one.

[KCBRUIN]

Ben Cherington you magnificent bastard....

[Emmz]

Let's wait until they positively invest some of this untied payroll to say BC is the second-coming.

 

I tell ya, if they do this just to reinvest in a bunch of risky crap (see Crawford and Lackey) nothing was gained.

[mvp 78]

Seriously though, he's got some epic juggs.

[Elktonnick]

Hate to bust your bubble folks but this is a Larry/ Stan deal not a Ben/Ned deal. This is way over Benny's head. Ben is just working out the details with Ned.

[Orange Juiced]

If LL were involved, no way this trade goes through.

 

This is a blockbuster, I have to think that LL was out of the loop on this one.

 

LL was a driving force behind the Hanley/Anibal for Lowell/Beckett deal. He's not afraid to pull off a mega-trade. But then, they brought the big names in, not sent the big names out.

[mvp 78]

I've figured it out.

 

The old farts on here just can't give a young 38 year old credit.

 

Unless you've got grey pubes, you can't run a baseball franchise apparently.

 

When it's bad, blame someone younger than you. When it's good, clearly someone your age made the decision.

[Elktonnick]

I've figured it out.

 

The old farts on here just can't give a young 38 year old credit.

 

Unless you've got grey pubes, you can't run a baseball franchise apparently.

 

When it's bad, blame someone younger than you. When it's good, clearly someone your age made the decision.

 

 

Gordon Edes at 4:04 am wrote the following:

 

"Yet all the while, Lucchino was going back and forth with his Dodgers counterpart, Stan Kasten, while GM Ben Cherington was working the phones with Dodgers GM Ned Colletti. The Red Sox were motivated by a recognition of the changes they needed to effect in a ballclub headed for its third straight season of missing the playoffs, and one that had alienated the affections of its fan base."

 

Never talk to the monkey when the organ grinder is in the room.

[mvp 78]

And from that you get LL orchestrating the whole deal. My point still stands.

 

LL is a lawyer, not a baseball guy.

[Elktonnick]

And from that you get LL orchestrating the whole deal. My point still stands.

 

LL is a lawyer, not a baseball guy.

 

Larry and Stan have been Presidents of Baseball teams for many years. Both have ownerships stakes in their respective teams. If you think either Larry or Stan would entrust deals of this magnitude to employees like Ben and Ned then there is a bridge in Brooklyn I have for sale you may be intersting in purchasing. Hey but you can believe what you want if it makes you feel good.

[Brennan]

Seriously though, he's got some epic juggs.

 

 

 

 

If no one else takes this for a sig by 12:00 noon, I claim it.

[jung]

I would rather that this be BC's deal cause nobody but nobody wants LL's hands to get the hell outta' baseball operations more than me. I am just finding it hard to believe that the Sox would move from the organizational mishmash that they have had to something else particularly since they have still not really filled Theo's former position. You would have to think that by rights, a deal of this magnitude would fall to somebody at least at Theo's pay grade and without somebody in place, you would expect somebody above to move down into the slot for purposes of a deal like this.

[Elktonnick]

Dan Shaughnessy just said on the Baseball Show on CSNE that the brains behind this deal was Stan Kastan Larry Lucchino's counterpart with the Dodgers.

[BornToRun]

I don't think anyone here gives any shred of a f*** what that curly haired douche has to say.

[resdubwhite]

I don't think anyone here gives any shred of a f*** what that curly haired douche has to say.

 

Amen brother.

[Elktonnick]

I don't think anyone here gives any shred of a f*** what that curly haired douche has to say.

 

That just shows your ignorance. He has far better sources in the Boston sport scene than anyone who posts here.

[BornToRun]

That just shows your ignorance. He has far better sources in the Boston sport scene than anyone who posts here.

 

Anybody who thinks Dan shaughnessy has any credibility is deluded. The guy is an idiot.

[jung]

Dan Shaughnessy just said on the Baseball Show on CSNE that the brains behind this deal was Stan Kastan Larry Lucchino's counterpart with the Dodgers

 

There are a good many reasons to suspect this to be true. It is after all a waiver deal.

[BornToRun]

f*** shaughnessy anyway. Bottom line is people refuse to give Ben any credit for erasing the f***ups that theo committed and helping us get pointed in the right direction.

[Elktonnick]

There are a good many reasons to suspect this to be true. It is after all a waiver deal.

 

This deal didn't just happen. This almost went done at the trade deadline but they couldn't work it out in time. The reason this is a Stan/Larry deal and not a Ned/Ben deal is the money. This a 250 million dollar assumption of liability by the Dodgers. Stan had to convince his partners to assume this amount of money. The waiver deal was part of it of course but the broad outline of the deal were worked out over the last several weeks. Lucchino gave a bit of a hint that something big was possible when he told Ben to be "bold". Oh for those you were say Larry is a lawyer and not a baseball guy, a deal involving this amount of money is a lawyer's deal not a baseball deal,

[Emmz]

That just shows your ignorance. He has far better sources in the Boston sport scene than anyone who posts here.

 

CHB is a f***ing joke, come on.

[Laser Show]

This deal didn't just happen. This almost went done at the trade deadline but they couldn't work it out in time. The reason this is a Stan/Larry deal and not a Ned/Ben deal is the money. This a 250 million dollar assumption of liability by the Dodgers. Stan had to convince his partners to assume this amount of money. The waiver deal was part of it of course but the broad outline of the deal were worked out over the last several weeks. Lucchino gave a bit of a hint that something big was possible when he told Ben to be "bold".

 

Nobody could have imagined it would be this big. Financially, I believe this is the biggest deal in North American sports history. There have never been 2-$100M players in 1 trade in the MLB. I know the NBA does those funky sign-and-trades, but I don't think there's ever been one of this magnitude. We may never see a trade like this again.

[jacksonianmarch]

A deal of this magnitude might be brought forth by Cherington and Colletti, but the fingerprints of Lucchino and Kasten have to be all over it before this is said and done. This is as ballsy a trade as I think I might ever see, and it shows that the ownership is trying to make things right and do it the red sox way (circa 2004-08). If I was a sox fan, I'd be proud of what they did here. When the sox won their 2 WS's, they had one player making over $15 million. Prior to this deal, they had 4. Now, they have 1 (Lackey). They will likely not be very good next yr, but they will also be growing talent behind a home grown nucleus of players while also having gobs of cash when they need it. I think the big temptation as sox ownership, is to avoid going out and spending all their money like a drunken sailor this offseason

[Youk Of The Nation]

Hey jacko, there are like four or five more active Sox threads where you haven't said "the Sox won't be very good next year". Why don't you go let us know in those threads too?

[mvp 78]

Larry and Stan have been Presidents of Baseball teams for many years. Both have ownerships stakes in their respective teams. If you think either Larry or Stan would entrust deals of this magnitude to employees like Ben and Ned then there is a bridge in Brooklyn I have for sale you may be intersting in purchasing. Hey but you can believe what you want if it makes you feel good.

 

And the old timer goes with a joke from the 40's.

 

Face it, people younger than you are able to run things now... Stop being a curmudgeon.

[Palodios]

I don't think anyone here gives any shred of a f*** what that curly haired douche has to say.

 

Someone is grilling him hard on the baseball show this morning hahahaha.

[Thunder]

Someone is grilling him hard on the baseball show this morning hahahaha.

 

What a surprise!<_>

[Dojji]

Hey jacko, there are like four or five more active Sox threads where you haven't said "the Sox won't be very good next year". Why don't you go let us know in those threads too?

 

 

Especially because it's not necessarily true. There's a chain of "ifs" that could see a very good year for the Red Sox next year.

 

The big one is Franklin Morales. I think we can count on Lester and Buchholz to be over their bugaboos -- unless Buck manages to get hurt again. Doubront should be average-or-so, if he can make a jump to the next level (he definitely has the stuff) so much the better, as he is he's at least a serviceable bottom rotation guy. If Morales can be at least a strong #3 starter, then all we need is fill-in guys.

 

The other big question is shortstop. If Bogaerts can come up by July and be effective this team could propel itself quite a ways on the back of that. Until then, give Ciriaco a real fighting chance to hold down the position. Don't throw Aviles away though -- Mike Aviles has the talent to be a really solid utility guy, as he has extensive experience at SS, third, short, and a bit of outfield.

 

If we make solid gains at shortstop, Morales can hold down a rotation spot for 150+ innings of quality baseball, and the catching question sorts itself out adequately, we could have a decent team on our hands as early as next year.