Official 2009-2010 Hot Stove season thread

[jacksonianmarch]

The guys in the TB system are never blocked. They dont usually sign their guys long term, so the time blocked is typically 2-3 yrs at most, which also correlates well with the amount of options a player has

[rhet]

"If they stand pat' date=' then the Yankees are gonna waltz to another division championship."[/b']

 

If the Red Sox simply waltz to a wild card berth, they still can be playing deep into October. Who cares about division "championships"

 

Good enough to make the playoffs doesn't mean good enough to win them.

[jacksonianmarch]

I would care about division championships if I were you guys. Home field for the red sox is always huge and the yankees were the best home field team this yr. If you secure a wild card berth and then have to go through NY, then you lose homefield to the best home field team in baseball. Every little advantage counts

[Lester82]

If you secure a wild card berth and then have to go through NY, then you lose homefield to the best home field team in baseball. Every little advantage counts

 

A Yankee fan seriously should know how many times they've been beaten already by wild card teams, including the Red Sox.

 

And stop being a troll and thinking we have to go through your club every year. In 2007 (and 2004 basically), the Red Sox simply had a better club than the Yankees. The World Series goes through whomever is the best team that year.

[Dipre]

If you secure a wild card berth and then have to go through NY' date=' then you lose homefield to the best home field team in baseball. Every little advantage counts[/b']

 

A Yankee fan seriously should know how many times they've been beaten already by wild card teams, including the Red Sox.

 

And stop being a troll and thinking we have to go through your club every year. In 2007 (and 2004 basically), the Red Sox simply had a better club than the Yankees. The World Series goes through whomever is the best team that year.

 

Even though he is a troll, your point is not correct.

 

The crapshoot nature of the playoffs doesn't allow for the better teams to always reach the World Series.

[jacksonianmarch]

Like I said, every advantage counts. Boston has a decided advantage when they play at home. They are a below .500 team on the road. NY was the best team at home this season and they were only a bit over .500 on the road. If you are a great home team and a below average away team, then it behooves you to have home field.

[SoxFan02]

Yes... because TB will be quick to trade anyone to one of their biggest rivals...

 

You should open the windows when your painting

 

Not trading with a team simply because they are in the same division is one of the most idiotic beliefs in baseball. The Nats and Marlins don't have a tough time doing it (2 trades this year), the Mets and Braves are pretty big rivals and they traded outfielders this season, the Mariners and A's also swapped players. It's not like I'm talking about Longoria, it's a player that may end up playing in AAA for them next season. If the rays put him out on the trading block and the Sox offered the best return for him then there is absolutely no reason for the Rays to decline.

[ehaz]

Even though he is a troll, your point is not correct.

 

The crapshoot nature of the playoffs doesn't allow for the better teams to always reach the World Series.

Agreed, look at this years Cardinals. Pujols, Holliday, Wainwright and Carpenter. Yet the only player that really did anything was Rasmus.

[yankees228]

Agreed' date=' look at this years Cardinals. Pujols, Holliday, Wainwright and Carpenter. Yet the only player that really did anything was Rasmus.[/quote']

 

Yeah, Wainwright really sucked.

[yankees228]

I would care about division championships if I were you guys. Home field for the red sox is always huge and the yankees were the best home field team this yr. If you secure a wild card berth and then have to go through NY' date=' then you lose homefield to the best home field team in baseball. Every little advantage counts[/quote']

 

In a best of seven series, being the team without home field advantage has it's benefits. It is ridiculous that the team without home field advantage is allowed to play more home games in a row than the team with home field advantage. There is a reason why basketball (minus the finals) and hockey do 2-2-1-1-1.

[example1]

Like I said' date=' every advantage counts. Boston has a decided advantage when they play at home. They are a below .500 team on the road. NY was the best team at home this season and they were only a bit over .500 on the road. If you are a great home team and a below average away team, then it behooves you to have home field.[/quote']

 

Not when the cost of those extra 5-10 wins is $80m. The Red Sox would have a great shot at home field if they were in the NL or if they were not in the AL East (for the first round at least). Most of us have come to terms with the fact that the road to the WS goes through NY more often than not. It is one of many benefits the Yankees have to having a payroll advantage that roughly amounts to the entire Yankee infield.

[The_Destroyah]

if we spent more than the Padres entire payroll in the FA this offseason im sure we could be above .500 on the road too.

[The_Destroyah]

although the FA market this year kinda blows.

[Dipre]

although the FA market this year kinda blows.

 

We could sign Holliday and Lackey.

 

That'd about do the trick.

[The_Destroyah]

We could sign Holliday and Lackey.

 

That'd about do the trick.

 

i was referring to the yankees offseason last year, there isnt a texeria(f*** spelling his name right), CC, AND a Burnett out there even if we wanted to spend for em. but Im not worried about it, Id be just fine with Lackey and Holliday, hell Id be fine with Lackey, resigning Bay.

[example1]

We could sign Holliday and Lackey.

 

That'd about do the trick.

 

I think this team will be in great shape if they can secure Holliday for his prime years. An aggressive move on him would open a lot more options for them moving forward. Bay should be the fallback.

 

The goal should still be to get a power hitting lefty; signing holliday at slightly over value wouldn't thrwart their ability to move pieces to get a guy like Adrian Gonzalez. I would really like the promise of that team:

 

Ellsbury (CF)

Pedroia (2B )

Gonzalez (1B )

Youkilis (3B )

Martinez ©

Holliday (LF)

Ortiz/Lowell (DH)

Drew (RF)

Lowrie/Gonzalez (SS)

 

The above lineup would be very, very good. 6 of the starting 9 would be on the team for at least another year afterward, and unless Mauer is available I really imagine them resigning Martinez too, making it 7 of 9.

 

 

As for Lackey, I just think he'll be too expensive and isn't the pitcher they want to overpay considerably to get. If they went after him it would tell me they think he'll be contributing to a World Series caliber team over the next two seasons--after that his production is questionable and not worth the undoubtedly high FA price.

 

I think they are willing to spend the money it will take to make an impact, I'm just not sure that player will be Lackey.

[Dipre]

I disagree on the lineup.

 

I'd like Youk 3rd and Gonzo 4th even if Pedey hits 2nd.

 

I love L-R-L-R, but Gonzo would need to hit 4th.

[bsox0407]

I disagree on the lineup.

 

I'd like Youk 3rd and Gonzo 4th even if Pedey hits 2nd.

 

I love L-R-L-R, but Gonzo would need to hit 4th.

 

i would really like

Ells

Pedey

V-Mart

Gonzo

Youkilis

Holliday

DH

DREW

SS unless it was some way hanley. :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Dipre]

i would really like

Ells

Pedey

V-Mart

Gonzo

Youkilis

Holliday

DH

DREW

SS unless it was some way hanley. :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

Youk's our best OBP guy. He should hit in front of Gonzo with Holliday hitting 5th in this scenario.

[bsox0407]

Youk's our best OBP guy. He should hit in front of Gonzo with Holliday hitting 5th in this scenario.

 

yeha prolly. i just really like v-mart in the three hole because the switch hitting capability.

[example1]

I disagree on the lineup.

 

I'd like Youk 3rd and Gonzo 4th even if Pedey hits 2nd.

 

I love L-R-L-R, but Gonzo would need to hit 4th.

 

I would think about Victor hitting 3rd. There's a lot one could do with that group though. They are one aggressive offseason from really improving the lineup and being right there with the Yankees.

 

No matter what happens this year, the offseason following 2010 will be a really pivotal one for this franchise. I expect that if we have this conversation in 18 months this club will look really different.

[bsox0407]

I would think about Victor hitting 3rd. There's a lot one could do with that group though. They are one aggressive offseason from really improving the lineup and being right there with the Yankees.

 

No matter what happens this year, the offseason following 2010 will be a really pivotal one for this franchise. I expect that if we have this conversation in 18 months this club will look really different.

 

say we get Holliday and Gonzo. our lineup in 2010 if we get them would be more dangerous than the yankees of this year. Think about it. When you have Drew batting out of your 8 hole your team is pretty good. i know he hit there most of thi year but Ortiz to. i mean if he hits like the end of this year then we are golden.

[example1]

say we get Holliday and Gonzo. our lineup in 2010 if we get them would be more dangerous than the yankees of this year. Think about it. When you have Drew batting out of your 8 hole your team is pretty good. i know he hit there most of thi year but Ortiz to. i mean if he hits like the end of this year then we are golden.

 

I'm not sure that this lineup would be better than the Yankees were this year, but the pitching staff would be better (Lester, Beckett, Buchholz, Dice-K, Wake/5th Starter) and they would have most of their key pieces coming back for the next few years, so there would be time for improvement/moving on after Lowell/Ortiz leave.

[bsox0407]

I'm not sure that this lineup would be better than the Yankees were this year' date=' but the pitching staff would be better (Lester, Beckett, Buchholz, Dice-K, Wake/5th Starter) and they would have most of their key pieces coming back for the next few years, so there would be time for improvement/moving on after Lowell/Ortiz leave.[/quote']

 

 

IMO.

Jeter>Alex Gonzalez

Damon

Tex>Gonzalez

A-rod>Youkilis

Posada=V-mart

Swisher

Melky=Ellsbury

Cano=Pedrioa

DH goes to the Sox. Ortiz if he repeats last year than he still is still better than what the Yankees had.

 

Agree that the rotation is better with the sox. but next year the Yankees do get Wang back.

[Dipre]

IMO.

Jeter>Alex Gonzalez

Damon

Tex>Gonzalez

A-rod>Youkilis

Posada=V-mart

Swisher

Melky=Ellsbury

Cano=Pedrioa

DH goes to the Sox. Ortiz if he repeats last year than he still is still better than what the Yankees had.

 

Agree that the rotation is better with the sox. but next year the Yankees do get Wang back.

 

Gonzales>Tex last year. In Petco. With the Padres' lineup.

[Gom]

Personally, I would let the Red Sox go after Holliday and Gonzo, and I would throw the kitchen sink at Lackey.

 

A rotation that would include CC, AJ, Pettitte, Lackey and a competition for the fifth spot between Wang, Hughes and Chamberlain...they just might threaten the Mariners record for wins in a season.

[Dipre]

Personally, I would let the Red Sox go after Holliday and Gonzo, and I would throw the kitchen sink at Lackey.

 

A rotation that would include CC, AJ, Pettitte, Lackey and a competition for the fifth spot between Wang, Hughes and Chamberlain...they just might threaten the Mariners record for wins in a season.

 

This makes a lot of sense actually.

[Gom]

Thank you my good man.

[rhet]

Melky=Ellsbury

 

In what, checkers?

 

This is like...

Rhet=Pujols

 

[BSN07]

Personally, I would let the Red Sox go after Holliday and Gonzo, and I would throw the kitchen sink at Lackey.

 

A rotation that would include CC, AJ, Pettitte, Lackey and a competition for the fifth spot between Wang, Hughes and Chamberlain...they just might threaten the Mariners record for wins in a season.

 

Oh to agree with Gom, how my morels have left me.... But it's only because I see Lackey being a bust on his next contract. he's a power pitcher who was topping out at 88-90 MPH against the Yankees. He's never pitched good in Fenway(yes it could just be because of the Sox lineup). And he's going to get a big contract from someone, probably more then AJ money. And I was against giving AJ AJ money. But that's just my opinion.