Official 2009-2010 Hot Stove season thread

[The_Destroyah]

In what, checkers?

 

This is like...

Rhet=Pujols

 

 

I like Ells better but they matchup pretty evenly, and Ellsbury can kick ass at checkers.

[rhet]

I like Ells better but they matchup pretty evenly' date=' and Ellsbury can kick ass at checkers.[/quote']

 

Oh come on. Melky is just barely hanging on in the show. I bet he sees time in the minors next year.

[The_Destroyah]

maybe, I haven't watched the Yanks enough to really give any good analysis, everytime I've seen him he plays pretty well.

 

Ellsbury: .301 AVG .355 OBP .415 SLG% .770 OPS 8HRs 70SBs

 

Melky: .274 AVG .336 OBP .416 SLG% .752 OPS 13HRs 10SBs

 

Ellsbury only has a sligh edge in hitting, with his most signifigant being OBP in which he is 19 points higher so yes ells is better there than Melky but not enough for him to be much more of a threat at the plate, however Ells has a signifigant advantage after he gets on, but if we are just talking about a threat in the lineup both are very similar (until, as previously stated, Ells gets on base)

[BSN07]

Considering Melky plays @ Coors East and still wasn't better then Ellsbury in AVG., OBP, SLG, and OPS, I'm going to give the nod to Ellsbury.

[The_Destroyah]

Considering Melky plays @ Coors East and still wasn't better then Ellsbury in AVG.' date=' OBP, SLG, and OPS, I'm going to give the nod to Ellsbury.[/quote']

 

I would too but if you look at all the slash stats he is only marginally better, now all other factors included Ells is a much better complete player than Melky and far more valuable.

[BSN07]

I know their comparable, I was giving Ellsbury the nod but not by a land slide or anything.

[Dipre]

I would too but if you look at all the slash stats he is only marginally better' date=' now all other factors included Ells is a much better complete player than Melky and far more valuable.[/quote']

 

Park factors, my friend.

[BSN07]

Park factors' date=' my friend.[/quote']

 

Exactly.

 

I would say Ellsbury is more valuable in the lead off spot then Melky is in the 8th spot.

[Dipre]

Exactly.

 

I would say Ellsbury is more valuable in the lead off spot then Melky is in the 8th spot.

 

How can they be equal is Ells outdid him in every significant offensive category?

 

I mean, the 60 SB difference is not that big (sarcasm) but come on.

[bsox0407]

How can they be equal is Ells outdid him in every significant offensive category?

 

I mean, the 60 SB difference is not that big (sarcasm) but come on.

 

i really love Ells and think he is better but as already stated he is not a super hitting threat until he gets on base. i think that Ells is a good player and Melky is a good player but i wouldnt be surprised if he ends in the Minors because the Yankees sign every conceivable FA they can.

[Dipre]

i really love Ells and think he is better but as already stated he is not a super hitting threat until he gets on base. i think that Ells is a good player and Melky is a good player but i wouldnt be surprised if he ends in the Minors because the Yankees sign every conceivable FA they can.

 

Your logic, in itself, is flawed.

 

We're comparing Melky to Ells. We're not analyzing whether he's a threat or not.

 

In the Melky vs. Ellsbury debate, Ellsbury is clearly better.

[CalvnHobs6]

Considering Melky plays @ Coors East and still wasn't better then Ellsbury in AVG.' date=' OBP, SLG, and OPS, I'm going to give the nod to Ellsbury.[/quote']

 

I haven't heard Yankee Stadium referred to as that before. It's so wonderfully demeaning. I love it.

[bsox0407]

Your logic, in itself, is flawed.

 

We're comparing Melky to Ells. We're not analyzing whether he's a threat or not.

 

In the Melky vs. Ellsbury debate, Ellsbury is clearly better.

 

Ellsbury only has a slight edge in hitting, with his most signifigant being OBP in which he is 19 points higher so yes ells is better there than Melky but not enough for him to be much more of a threat at the plate, however Ells has a signifigant advantage after he gets on, but if we are just talking about a threat in the lineup both are very similar (until, as previously stated, Ells gets on base)

 

Its not like a Jeter versus. Lowrie difference but i do agree that Ells is better.

[Dojji]

70 SB.

 

That and the difference between a .336 OBP and a .355 OBP is a LOT bigger than it sounds. It's literally the difference between "Below Average" and "Above Average."

[The_Destroyah]

Park factors, my friend.

How can they be equal is Ells outdid him in every significant offensive category?

 

I mean, the 60 SB difference is not that big (sarcasm) but come on.

 

A. I know about the park factors but if you can get a player that can get the job done in your park then why not do it the Yankees now know that they have a great hitters park and if that makes their hitters better then they should use that to their advantage. anyways, all Im saying is that they were comparable HITTING wise with Ells having the obvious edge but not a huge edge.

 

B. I was referring to hitting outside of HITTING Ells is a far better and more complete player and most people, with all things being even, would easily take Ells over Melky, but they are comparable, and Dojji I did mention that Ells' OBP was signifigantly higher, and to add on to that fact it was higher in a position in the lineup that is harder to hit in (1st). Having said all of that Melky is by no means a bad player and if he ever learns a little more plate discipline and hit around .290 he could be much better being that his OBP right now is pretty signifigantly higher than his Avg.

[Dipre]

A. I know about the park factors but if you can get a player that can get the job done in your park then why not do it the Yankees now know that they have a great hitters park and if that makes their hitters better then they should use that to their advantage. anyways, all Im saying is that they were comparable HITTING wise with Ells having the obvious edge but not a huge edge.

 

B. I was referring to hitting outside of HITTING Ells is a far better and more complete player and most people, with all things being even, would easily take Ells over Melky, but they are comparable, and Dojji I did mention that Ells' OBP was signifigantly higher, and to add on to that fact it was higher in a position in the lineup that is harder to hit in (1st). Having said all of that Melky is by no means a bad player and if he ever learns a little more plate discipline and hit around .290 he could be much better being that his OBP right now is pretty signifigantly higher than his Avg.

 

He's a better hitter too.

 

I don't see how they're comparable if Ells is better at everything.

[The_Destroyah]

He's a better hitter too.

 

I don't see how they're comparable if Ells is better at everything.

 

He is a better hitter but the only stat where he is signifigantly better is OBP which is an important stat but its close enought to be comparable.

 

Its the same as Tex, Youk, and Pujols all being comparable, Pujols has the obvious edge but they are still comparabli IMO.

[Dipre]

He is a better hitter but the only stat where he is signifigantly better is OBP which is an important stat but its close enought to be comparable.

 

Its the same as Tex, Youk, and Pujols all being comparable, Pujols has the obvious edge but they are still comparabli IMO.

 

Only OBP huh?

 

And Pujols is comparable to no one. He's on a league of his own.

[YAZMAN]

Call me crazy but I do not see Mauer leaving Minnesota unless it's to become a Met. He is from St Paul but money talks.. IF the Sox and Yanks get involved I think what'd end up ultimately happening is the price will go up and the Mets will do their usual to get on the back page of the Post by spending STUPID money for a banged up catcher.

 

What would you offer Bay?

[BSN07]

I know their comparable' date='[/b'] I was giving Ellsbury the nod but not by a land slide or anything.

 

How can they be equal is Ells outdid him in every significant offensive category?

I said Comparable not equal.

I mean, the 60 SB difference is not that big (sarcasm) but come on.

 

I haven't heard Yankee Stadium referred to as that before. It's so wonderfully demeaning. I love it.

I'm not the one who came up with it. I believe I saw it first from Dipre(props).

maybe, I haven't watched the Yanks enough to really give any good analysis, everytime I've seen him he plays pretty well.

 

Ellsbury: .301 AVG .355 OBP .415 SLG% .770 OPS 8HRs 70SBs

 

Melky: .274 AVG .336 OBP .416 SLG% .752 OPS 13HRs 10SBs

 

Ellsbury only has a sligh edge in hitting, with his most signifigant being OBP in which he is 19 points higher so yes ells is better there than Melky but not enough for him to be much more of a threat at the plate, however Ells has a signifigant advantage after he gets on, but if we are just talking about a threat in the lineup both are very similar (until, as previously stated, Ells gets on base)

 

Dipre, if you take a look at the numbers, yes Ellsbury leads in most categories, but it's not like it's by leaps and bounds except for SB'S and BA, but you and I both don't turn to BA to hold much water in arguments. Stating these players are comparable at the plate is reasonable.

 

Only OBP huh?

 

And Pujols is comparable to no one. He's on a league of his own.

 

Yes he is. His next contract will make it very obvious lol

[The_Destroyah]

Only OBP huh?

 

And Pujols is comparable to no one. He's on a league of his own.

 

He is comparable in that he is a 1B with elite capabilities in defense and hitting which does compare with Tex, Youk, Gonzo, and Cabrera while you can easily tell he is the best, he is comparable, Just as Melky and Ells are comparable with Ells being obviously better.

[Dipre]

He is comparable in that he is a 1B with elite capabilities in defense and hitting which does compare with Tex' date=' Youk, Gonzo, and Cabrera while you can easily tell he is the best, he is comparable, Just as Melky and Ells are comparable with Ells being obviously better.[/quote']

 

Comparable =/= similar skillset.

[Dipre]

Dipre, if you take a look at the numbers, yes Ellsbury leads in most categories, but it's not like it's by leaps and bounds except for SB'S and BA, but you and I both don't turn to BA to hold much water in arguments. Stating these players are comparable at the plate is reasonable.

 

They'll be comparable when they both hit 8th, or they both hit 1st.

[BSN07]

They'll be comparable when they both hit 8th' date=' or they both hit 1st.[/quote']

 

What? So you can only compare players that hit in the same spot in the order? Wheres the logic in that?

[Dipre]

What? So you can only compare players that hit in the same spot in the order? Wheres the logic in that?

 

This is the way i see it.

 

This is a very personal POV of mine, but hitting 1st is the most difficult spot in any lineup.

 

Cabrera's "hidden" in the Yanks lineup, i just look at hitting 1st as a different beast altogether, that's what makes players like Chone Figgins so special.

 

But that's just an opinion, if you want to call them "comparable" go ahead.

[rhet]

How anybody can put a hanger-on like Melky in the same category with a weapon like Ellsbury is beyond me.

[Dipre]

How anybody can put a hanger-on like Melky in the same category with a weapon like Ellsbury is beyond me.

 

Ellsbury K's less, walks more, has a bit more power and much better speed.

 

All i'm sayin'.

[The_Destroyah]

Dipre I think you are forgetting that I have Internet Superiority, so you should probably just agree with everything I say, mmmkay?

[Dipre]

Dipre I think you are forgetting that I have Internet Superiority' date=' so you should probably just agree with everything I say, mmmkay? [/quote']

 

You voided it by comparing Pujols to those mortals.

 

How dare you!

[BSN07]

This is the way i see it.

 

This is a very personal POV of mine, but hitting 1st is the most difficult spot in any lineup.

 

Cabrera's "hidden" in the Yanks lineup, i just look at hitting 1st as a different beast altogether, that's what makes players like Chone Figgins so special.

 

But that's just an opinion, if you want to call them "comparable" go ahead.

I'm fine with that.

Ellsbury K's less, walks more, has a bit more power and much better speed.

 

All i'm sayin'.

 

I think Ells is the better player also. I was just commenting they put up similar lines this year is all. I don't think Melky is that great of a player to be honest. And I thing the yanks would be quick to replace him as soon as someone better becomes available. But he put up a decent line this season. Whether that be because of his home park and or the lineup he hits in is up for debate:D