Anti-Fantasy League Draft and Discussion Thread

[castigs850]

LETS GO YANKSHATER!!! I WANT THAT ROSTER CONSTRUCTION THREAD!

[Cocos Disciples]

After this round we'll have a thread for roster construction (pitching staff' date=' batting order, etc.)[/quote']

 

If possible we (you) should try to make sure there's only one post per team, to make it really clean.

[WhiskeyBreath]

Really?

 

Cust OPS: .804

Butler OPS .809

 

Not to mention that Butler is what, 23? And Cust at age 30 is going to keep pace with the kid over the next 5 years?

 

Butler is rounding into form nicely and is a big part of the reason KC is over .500 right now. He's going to be a freakin' monster.

 

Monster is a little over the top.

[BoSox21]

Really?

 

Cust OPS: .804

Butler OPS .809

 

Not to mention that Butler is what, 23? And Cust at age 30 is going to keep pace with the kid over the next 5 years?

 

Butler is rounding into form nicely and is a big part of the reason KC is over .500 right now. He's going to be a freakin' monster.

 

Looking at 2009 stats? really? Cust's OPS in OAKLAND is .856

 

and I dont know how you can say anyone with 22 HRs and an OPS of .762 over 3 seasons will be a monster with such certainty

[Keeper]

If possible we (you) should try to make sure there's only one post per team' date=' to make it really clean.[/quote']

 

I disagree. The batting order and rotation are subject to change as rosters fill out/young players reach or don't reach their potential.

[Dojji]

Looking at 2009 stats? really? Cust's OPS in OAKLAND is .856

 

Frankly, for a corner outfielder, especially for a guy in his prime, that's good not great, even with the Oakland factor. And we're talking about where he'll be in 5 years hen he's 35.

 

I would not have drafted Jack Cust.

 

and I dont know how you can say anyone with 22 HRs and an OPS of .762 over 3 seasons will be a monster with such certainty

 

Because when judging a kid under the age of 24 I, apparently unlike some, recognize that you need to look past the big league numbers a little. Butler is fundamentally sound and was drafted early in the first round for his hitting ability. He's shown monster power in the minors and is starting to hit in the big leagues. There's no reason I can think of that that power won't translate.

[Cocos Disciples]

I disagree. The batting order and rotation are subject to change as rosters fill out/young players reach or don't reach their potential.

 

Then edit the post.

[TheKilo]

If possible we (you) should try to make sure there's only one post per team' date=' to make it really clean.[/quote']

 

I agree - thread should be pinned as well.

[WhiskeyBreath]

He's shown monster power in the minors and is starting to hit in the big leagues.

 

His power numbers aren't that great.

[TheKilo]

His power numbers aren't that great.

 

In the minor's he tremendous.

[WhiskeyBreath]

That's what I was talking about. Above A ball they are pretty meh.

[BoSox21]

yea, cause a guy succeeding in the minors but flopping in the majors NEVER happens... <_>

[Dojji]

That's what I was talking about. Above A ball they are pretty meh.

 

Oh, I get it. You guys are looking at homers and thinking that that's all there is to power.

 

Butler has sugged over .500 consistently in the minors. It's just that a lot of it is "tied up" in being a consistent hitter.

[Dojji]

That's what I was talking about. Above A ball they are pretty meh.

 

Oh, I get it. You guys are looking at homers and thinking that that's all there is to power.

 

Butler has sugged over .500 consistently in the minors with one exception where he slugged like .499. It's just that a lot of it is "tied up" in being a consistent hitter.

[WhiskeyBreath]

Oh, I get it. You guys are looking at homers and thinking that that's all there is to power.

 

Butler has sugged over .500 consistently in the minors. It's just that a lot of it is "tied up" in being a consistent hitter.

 

No, the only problem I had was calling Butler a monster. Hitting a ton of doubles doesn't scream monster to me. He has the potential to put up some decent hr totals eventually.

[Dojji]

Well, I just see more upside in Butler than you guys I guess. You don't really have to hit a lot of HR's to be a serviceable hitter even at 1B, although it definitely helps. And Butler should hit his share.

 

 

 

Even if he doesn't progress that much beyond where he is right now offensively he's still a serviceable young 1B, and he definitely has some ability to improve. And remember that the target is who would be the better team in 5 years -- when Butler's 28 and in the middle of his prime.

 

Combine that with the fact that Butler seems to be doing an adequate job of playing in the field as a defensive 1B and I think that he's a worthy pick.

 

I think of Butler as comping very nicely with Derrek Lee when he hits his prime.

[BoSox21]

.....just worse than Cust

[WhiskeyBreath]

Why not just make your picks right now? Takes a couple minutes.

[Dojji]

.....just worse than Cust

 

Not for the purposes of this exercise. Butler in his prime will easily top a declining Cust and his already marginal contact skills.

[BoSox21]

keep believing that, but Butler has proven s*** at the major league level, Imgran

[TheKilo]

lol Imgran

[Dojji]

This from the guy who drafted Elvis Andrus????

 

If you're not prepared to take a few unproven players at this point in the draft, your team is not going to look very good in 5 years because you'll be packing a lot of guys in their early to mid 30's whose best days are in their past.

[BoSox21]

check the f***ing picks, I didnt take Andrus

[Dojji]

No you're right, I got you mixed up with BSN07. You did take BJ Upton though. Exactly what has he "proven?" That he could torment us in a single playoff series? Seems to me you're relying on Upton to become more consistent and improve as he matures as well. And in a position considered by many to be much more critical than 1st base.

[BoSox21]

for one thing, Upton hit more homers in 2007 than Butler has in his entire career and over his last two full seasons, he's got a .385 OBP and he's averaging 33 steals. I'll take that from my leadoff man

 

yea, the goal is for your team to look good 5 years from now but good luck selling people on that if they haven't proven anything at the major league level

[Dojji]

Home runs are not everything.

 

Sure, Upton had a good 2007. That was also his only year where he showed any power at all at the big league level. He followed that up with an injury-assisted terrible year and is following now with a similarly poor performance. It seems to me that you're counting rather heavily on 1 good year from a very inconsistent ballplayer for someone who's harping on my selection of Butler several rounds later.

[Keeper]

B.J. Upton is a lot more proven than Billy Butler.

[BoSox21]

Home runs are not everything.

 

fine, pick any statistical category. Upton has Butler beat

[Dojji]

fine' date=' pick any statistical category. Upton has Butler beat[/quote']

 

You better hope so, you drafted him 5 rounds ahead of my Butler pick.

[BoSox21]

you're the one who brought up Upton, but I guess thats the best comeback example you had when you flopped on the Elvis Andrus s***

 

if you wanna make a team out of guys who dominated the minors but havent done s*** in the majors, you might as well make Phil Hughes your ace