Manny Ramirez Trade Deadline Thread (renamed)

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

He was injured and he didn't have 20 HRs and almost 70 RBI at the deadline.

 

nevermind

[Beckett95]

he was on the DL for a while but look at the stats between the 2 before that trade

 

Nomar pre-trade: .321, .367, .500, 5 HR in 156 AB

O-Cab pre-trade: .246, .298, .336, 4 HR in 390 AB

 

that trade wasnt because of production

 

Manny is causing so many distractions and he just keeps s***ing on the Sox, he needs to go

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

he was on the DL for a while but look at the stats between the 2 before that trade

 

Nomar pre-trade: .321, .367, .500, 5 HR in 156 AB

O-Cab pre-trade: .246, .298, .336, 4 HR in 390 AB

 

that trade wasnt because of production

 

Manny is causing so many distractions and he just keeps s***ing on the Sox, he needs to go

To be fair though, O-dog was a lot better defensive SS than Nomar.

[yeszir]

Manny is causing so many distractions and he just keeps s***ing on the Sox, he needs to go

 

What pisses me off the most though is that he knows what he's doing and that he will probably end up getting what he wants.

 

In a 0 pressure place like Florida (despite their playoff run) Manny will thrive.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

in the past few days' date=' he's said he's both sick of them and that they don't deserve a player like him. how the hell do you keep a guy on the roster who's shown your team such disrespect?[/quote']

 

Stuff like this has happened in sports before. Look at Chad Johnson with the Bengals this past NFL offseason. He trashed them the entire offseason, saying he'd never put that uniform on again, and look who's camp he's in right now. One simple kiss-and-make-up, and everything will be forgotten. Manny himself will probably be laughing about this next Monday if we hang onto him.

[Beckett95]

To be fair though' date=' O-dog was a lot better defensive SS than Nomar.[/quote']

 

Bay's better defensively than Manny

 

Manny: .299, .397, .531, .926 with 20 HR (37 years old)

Bay: .284, .377, .523, .900 with 22 HR (29 years old)

 

so even excluding all of Mannys other problems, its still not a huge downgrade offensively. And we get a good bullpen arm in Grabow.

[BoSox21]

Stuff like this has happened in sports before. Look at Chad Johnson with the Bengals this past NFL offseason. He trashed them the entire offseason' date=' saying he'd never put that uniform on again, and look who's camp he's in right now. One simple kiss-and-make-up, and everything will be forgotten. Manny himself will probably be laughing about this next Monday if we hang onto him.[/quote']

 

does Chad Johnson attack team officials, fake injuries and slack off on the field?

[a700hitter]

The problem with trading Manny is that Theo is a Menage a trois guy. He can never just make a two team trade. He always is working on three and four team scenarios. It is hard enough to get two teams to agree on the money, players and prospects. It's much more difficult to tie down a three team deal.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Bay's better defensively than Manny

 

At Fenway Park, Manny's a pretty decent LF (wall effect).

 

 

so even excluding all of Mannys other problems, its still not a huge downgrade offensively. And we get a good bullpen arm in Grabow.

 

Not a huge downgrade, but a downgrade in my opinion, regardless of this year's numbers. I still hold that Manny's just being melodramatic and after D-day tomorrow he'll just return to being the goofy S.O.B. that most of us love.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

does Chad Johnson attack team officials' date=' fake injuries and slack off on the field?[/quote']

 

No for the first one, and its hard to tell with the latter two since his antics took place during the offseason, and there is no bad blood now.

[BoSox21]

anyway, I pray that when I wake up tomorrow, ill see that this bastard has been traded, although probably not

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

anyway' date=' I pray that when I wake up tomorrow, ill see that this bastard has been traded, although probably not[/quote']

 

I pray that you're disappointed at said point. :harhar:

 

 

It would mean that one of my all-time fav Sox is still here.

[a700hitter]

Bay's better defensively than Manny

 

Manny: .299, .397, .531, .926 with 20 HR (37 years old)

Bay: .284, .377, .523, .900 with 22 HR (29 years old)

 

so even excluding all of Mannys other problems, its still not a huge downgrade offensively. And we get a good bullpen arm in Grabow.

Bay strikes out 140-150 times every year. He is not even close at this age to the aging Manny. We will hate this guy within a month.

[8191]

manny hansen and lowery for hanley is about the only traid I'd make w/ Fla

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Bay strikes out 140-150 times every year. He is not even close at this age to the aging Manny. We will hate this guy within a month.

 

:thumbsup: thank you

[Beckett95]

Bay strikes out 140-150 times every year. He is not even close at this age to the aging Manny. We will hate this guy within a month.

 

Manny has 86 K's in 363 ABs this year

Bay has 86 K's in in 384 AB's this year and also has more BB's

[a700hitter]

Why would we want Grabow? He's an average NL bullpen guy in a low pressure town. 4.35 career ERA.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/grabojo02.shtml

[Rdsxmbnt]

manny hansen and lowery for hanley is about the only traid I'd make w/ Fla

 

...who are you?

[a700hitter]

Manny has 86 K's in 363 ABs this year

Bay has 86 K's in in 384 AB's this year and also has more BB's

That is this year. Have you checked the rest of their careers?

[The Dustball]

DON'T DO IT THEO, PAPI WILL BE SAD AND WILL SUCK.

 

 

I'm pretty torn right now. While these comments seem pretty harsh, I don't think that if Manny stays that he will go out of his way to screw the Sox. He's fighting for a new contract, why would he do anything to reduce his value? I don't want him to go, yet he's getting older and Bay is a much cheaper and younger alternative. It's a tough situation.

[Beckett95]

That is this year. Have you checked the rest of their careers?

 

Yes I know, Manny averaged about 110-120 K's a year where Bay is about 140-150. Im in agreement that Manny is the superior player, but based on what he's done this year on and off the field, I think moving him for Bay is worth it. Manny is only going to get worse from here on out and Bay still has a lot of time left in his career.

[a700hitter]

Yes I know' date=' Manny averaged about 110-120 K's a year where Bay is about 140-150. Im in agreement that Manny is the superior player, but based on what he's done this year on and off the field, I think moving him for Bay is worth it. Manny is only going to get worse from here on out and Bay still has a lot of time left in his career.[/quote']

Why would we want Bay long term? He's not that good.

[soxfan17881]

You have to admit, it was funny, after you got over your initial feeling of wanting to kill me.

 

I never get over that feeling.

[Beckett95]

Why would we want Bay long term? He's not that good.

 

Hes not great but he still has a career OPS of .892 (including his offyear last year) and is only 29

 

And maybe you dont sign him to an extension and make a run at Holliday

 

all im saying is that i would make the deal, like theo made the deal back in '04

[soxfan17881]

right now it looks like

 

To BOS: Bay, Grabow

To FLA: Manny

To PIT: Hermida, Hunter Jones, prospect from FLA

 

with Jed Lowrie and Jack Wilson also being included possibly, hopefully not

 

This is insanity.

 

Am I missing something? We're going to trade to get an average LF and a pitcher with a 4.35 career ERA?

 

I'm in the twilight zone.

[yeszir]

For old time's sake:

http://www.talksox.com/forum/talk-sox-forum/682-nomar-cubs.html

http://www.talksox.com/forum/talk-sox-forum/681-official-trade-deadline-thread.html

 

Some grumblings, but it worked out. I see some overlap if a Manny deal gets done.

 

edit: Reading those threads makes me sad that Zenny and elsrbueno disappeared

[Beckett95]

This is insanity.

 

Am I missing something? We're going to trade to get an average LF and a pitcher with a 4.35 career ERA?

 

I'm in the twilight zone.

 

now the deal looks like this, i believe

 

Marlins-- Manny Ramirez, BOS prospect and cash

Pirates-- Jeremy Hermida, Ryan Tucker, Hunter Jones and another prospect from FLA

Red Sox-- Jason Bay and John Grabow

[Beckett95]

according to Jayson Stark, the Rays are now looking at Adam Dunn since they dont think Bay is available

 

so im guessing the Rays heard this Manny deal is legit and going to happen

[a700hitter]

Hes not great but he still has a career OPS of .892 (including his offyear last year) and is only 29

 

And maybe you dont sign him to an extension and make a run at Holliday

 

all im saying is that i would make the deal, like theo made the deal back in '04

In '04, an unproductive injured player was traded, and the guys we received in return upgraded the defense. OCab and Minky were Gold Glovers and Dave Roberts brought the element of speed. He got thrown out 1 time in over 30 attempts up to that point. Where would the upgrades be here? Bay is a downgrade and Grabow is an average bullpen guy.

[Beckett95]

From Peter Gammons:

As midnight approached Wednesday night on the East Coast, officials from the Marlins and Red Sox said a deal involving Manny Ramirez was not done. Indications from Pittsburgh were that the Pirates were not satisfied with the players they were receiving in exchange for sending Jason Bay to Boston. And in California, Ramirez's agent, Scott Boras, said he had been told nothing, which means nothing has been completed in terms of Ramirez's waving his no-trade rights or in completing paperwork to send to the commissioner's office.

 

So, the complicated three-way deal might go down close to Thursday's 4 p.m. ET deadline. Ramirez wants out, and is willing to go to Florida. The Marlins want him -- and what he means to their pennant chances and pursuit of a new ballpark. The Red Sox clearly are willing to finance Ramirez's exit.

 

But the value of the young players was a sticking point late into the night, and one Red Sox official said, "This is anything but done."

 

The Nomar Garciaparra deal in 2004 went down to minutes before the deadline, and there was so much confusion the Twins never received the second prospect they thought they were owed. This might be Nomar Redux.