Manny Ramirez Trade Deadline Thread (renamed)

[TheKilo]

You know something?

 

I have to say this:

 

You Red Sox fans are ungrateful [wait...fun police knocking on my door] son of a guns. See? I censored myself.

 

Manny came to play. He was a WS MVP. You don't win your first championship without him. You don't get past the Guardians on the way to your second championship without him. He's been worth every penny. His issues are not with the fans, but with the organization. He's been everything and more for you guys, and you boo him tonight at the game?

 

Sorry yeszir...but your fans are ungrateful *******s who did that. Trust me, in New York, he gets a standing ovation. Is it any wonder that the profile of stars goes from Boston to New York, and never the other way around?

 

As a Yankee fan, it's like seeing an old foe go. In a way, I'll be sad to see him go. He helped add to the rivalry. I'll miss the fear of seeing him at the plate wearing a Red Sox uniform. I'll miss secretly marveling at his talent when he beat us, and the relief and exhiliration when we got him out.

 

Good luck Manny, wherever you end up. They may not appreciate you in Boston, but we do in New York. You killed us, but we respected you for it. Good luck and godspeed.

 

Whoa whoa whoa

 

Where was the outcry from you when the Yankees booed ARod in the midst of an MVP season (2005)?

[yeszir]

I don't get why he apologized to me? :dunno: For oozing hypocrisy?

[TheKilo]

The Manny apologists in this thread make me laugh. Manny is no longer an elite (he is very good) hitter and he's terrible defensively.

 

Jason Bay is a very good hitter and above average defensively.

 

A run saved counts just as much as a run earned. Jason Bay is a more than adequate replacement for Manny Ramirez. Past production should have no impact on the decisions moving forward, and it's clear that a break needs to be made between the Sox and Manny.

 

Although, I'd rather keep Hermida and the FLA prospects as well.

[BoSox21]

Jason Bay is a very good hitter and above average defensively.

 

and Canadian as well! :thumbsup:

[rician blast]

You know something?

 

I have to say this:

 

You Red Sox fans are ungrateful [wait...fun police knocking on my door] son of a guns. See? I censored myself.

 

Manny came to play. He was a WS MVP. You don't win your first championship without him. You don't get past the Guardians on the way to your second championship without him. He's been worth every penny. His issues are not with the fans, but with the organization. He's been everything and more for you guys, and you boo him tonight at the game?

 

Sorry yeszir...but your fans are ungrateful *******s who did that. Trust me, in New York, he gets a standing ovation. Is it any wonder that the profile of stars goes from Boston to New York, and never the other way around?

 

Good luck Manny, wherever you end up. They may not appreciate you in Boston, but we do in New York. You killed us, but we respected you for it. Good luck and godspeed.

 

I urge all of the Sox fans here not to take the bait...this is Gom being Gom, at his inciteful best. I'm not sure even HE believes what he wrote here. :thumbdown

[riverside sluggers]

Manny deal '50-50'

 

Thursday, July 31, 2008 | Print Entry

 

 

Posted by Jayson Stark

 

Here's what I know about the status of this deal, as of this morning:

 

• An official of one of these three teams placed the odds of this getting done today at "50-50."

 

• Multiple sources have said that outfield prospect Mike Stanton is not in this trade, although Boston asked for him and Pittsburgh has been insisting on a prospect of his caliber, in addition to Jeremy Hermida and other prospects.

 

• Despite reports that left-handed reliever John Grabow would wind up in Boston, indications are that he would actually go to the Marlins if this trade gets done.

 

• The status of Marlins pitcher Ryan Tucker (recently sent back to the minor leagues to be converted to the bullpen) remains uncertain. Tucker, according to a baseball man who has spoken to the teams involved, is still a name that's "in play."

[ORS]

I urge all of the Sox fans here not to take the bait...this is Gom being Gom' date=' at his inciteful best. I'm not sure even HE believes what he wrote here. :thumbdown[/quote']

Bait taken, and thread created in the forum where the warranted responses are allowed.

 

http://www.talksox.com/forum/anything-goes/10964-more-nonsense.html#post337750

[rician blast]

So let's say. regardless of whether Manny gets traded or not, the "bad blood" continues (that is Manny continues commenting on how he's unappreciated, etc and the media runs with it) and Manny hits the FA market after this season.

 

Would this not be EXACTLY what the Yankees (and their fans) want to see, in terms of being able to point to the Sox in whatever negative manner possible (since they're clearly obsessed with Boston), and perhaps provide the Yankees even more of a reason to acquire Manny?

 

Could it be that Manny is painting the Sox FO in a bad light to increase his chances of landing in the Bronx?

[TheKilo]

Let him go.

[example1]

not that im trying to take this thread on a tangent but ive always felt athletes deserve what they make. they are directly responsible for the billions of dollars in revenue professional sports leagues make so why shouldn't they be paid in accordance to the revenue they generate?

 

sorry but 35,000 people don't pay $40 a piece to watch a doctor perform surgery, no matter how much more meaningful the doctor's profession is

 

Atheletes in general deserve what they make, given how much money is in the game.

 

That said, not EVERY athelete deserves they contract they currently have, and they can do things to either warrant the contract or not.

 

Things like hustling, showing up at spring training, being a good leader/role model, not insulting their bosses, etc., all go into how most bosses determine whether or not to pick up options. Especially when those options cost the price of (as mentioned before): Ellsbury, Pedroia, Youkilis, Papelbon, Beckett, Jason Bay and David Wright.

[ORS]

E1, he doesn't want the options picked up. At least, not now, not since he hired Boras. He met with Boras in LA right before the post ASG Angel's series. The drama has increased in intensity since then. I don't see that as coincidental. One of the caveats to him waiving his 10/5 rights, is the new club guarantees they don't pick up the option. Boras wants him on the market. IMO, he was in Manny's ear telling him to stoke the fire while promising him riches similar to his last big contract. He's really doing his client a disservice.

[BoSox21]

Atheletes in general deserve what they make, given how much money is in the game.

 

That said, not EVERY athelete deserves they contract they currently have, and they can do things to either warrant the contract or not.

 

very true, but for every athlete who doesn't deserve the contract he has, there is a Dustin Pedroia, Kevin Youkilis, Jonathan Papelbon, Jon Lester, etc. who makes less than he should

[example1]

Well the ignore feature exists for this very reason I suppose.

 

Why make someone use the ignore feature instead of just researching?

 

Ah, OK, now I'm confused. You're stating how letting Martinez/Cabrera go bagged us rock-solid prospects that are in the majors right now. So wouldn't that just add a reason to keep Manny now, let him walk in free agency, and take our two draft picks?

 

You shouldn't be confused. I answered the question in my post and you ignored it. Jason Bay will be a FA in 2009--if at that time they want to get rid of him, chances are he will be a type-A FA, so they will get similar draft picks (probably better because he will cost less and therefore be more affordable for 'worse' teams).

 

He also happens to be as good as any realistic options as a LF replacement for next year--remember you scoffed at the idea of being able to name anyone else because none of us are GMs?

 

Who ever said I don't care about the minor leagues?

 

Do you often not pay attention to things you care about? You said very clearly "I don't pay attention to what goes on in Pawtucket, Portland, etc.. OMG!", so I took that to mean that you don't care. Maybe you REALLY, REALLY care, but you have an odd way of showing it.

 

I don't care about the futures game, just like I don't care about anything that goes on during the all-star break. I don't follow the minor leagues as closely as I do the Sox for the simple reason that its difficult to get coverage and watch those teams and their players in action. If you can't see the games, what's the point? The Pawtucket Sox aren't exactly spewing coverage on every TV station.

 

The internet is an amazing tool. You can learn about all sorts of things without needing to see them every day.

 

You have had access to all of Manny's 4000 ABs as a Sox, but I assume you are making these bold proclamations about how amazing he is without having seen every AB. Let's assume you look at the numbers a bit to supplement what you don't know... how's that sound?

 

Manny's not going to get better but he still provides a damn good bat when his head's screwed on tightly. Call me crazy, but losing Manny and putting Coco Crisp or Brandon Moss in his place in left, and subsequently moving Youk or Lowell up to the 4 hole would hurt this team's lineup in a big way. Wat I'm saying is, obviously exhaust all options trying to bring a quality outfield bat in to replace Manny first , and if every single option falls through, just fall back to Manny for one more year.

 

But earlier you said:

 

Jason Bay is a downgrade IMO, and we can't afford to downgrade when the Yankees have already made three moves for the better and the Rays aren't going anywhere.

 

1. nobody honestly believes the Sox will let Manny go for NOTHING, they will get something in return.

 

2. Bay may be a slight downgrade career-wise, but if you compare him to other players who might be available in LF (including 2008 MannY), I think we should be happy that he's one of the options. If you add to that the 13m difference between Manny and Bay, and look at what can be done by this FO with 13m, then the choice seems very obvious to many.

 

And trust me, I don't want that to happen, but I think we more or less would have too to ensure that Ortiz doesn't have as many walks as at-bats, and for the better of the team on the field. I don't have a business degree, I can't pretend that I do, that's what I'm going to college for. Right now I just see a gaping hole in left field and in the batting order if Manny departs. Letting him leave through trade is absolute idiocy because Jason Bay simply doesn't measure up and John Grabow, let's face it, sucks.

 

You never responded to the comparable OPS players that I gave you for Bay (multiple HOF players included), nor have you used a number or two to describe why you find Bay to be SO MUCH WORSE than Manny. If their numbers aren't reflected in their production then I think we're talking about our memories of Manny rather than what he is actually capable of as a player currently. I would say the sentimental pictures thread started this morning is more a reflection of memories than on-field value.

 

I DO appreciate the pictures thread, but this is like watching the stages of grief. Let's try to separate our fond memories of Manny during his best Sox years from the very black/white decision that the front office is making to keep this team competitive.

 

 

Yes and yes. What I meant was, if we want to keep Manny, we can definitely do so. I wasn't referring to our ability to shop him.

 

That's what options are for. The team has the OPTION of not resigning him. If they choose not to exercise his option, which is LOCKED at 20m per year, then do you think he would re-sign with the Sox for his actual value, or should we just lose the difference in money (say, 6m a year) and thus risk losing Ortiz or Beckett when their contracts come around for re-upping? These are choices that teams have to make, whether or not the player they are thinking about is well-liked or has had a great career.

 

 

How long has Jeremy Hermida been around? 2+ years I think. Not much of a sample size.

 

All the more reason to worry that he's injury prone. If he's already missed time in his first few years and has never put up numbers like Bay, why should we think the Sox would be better off having him this year over Bay? It doesn't make sense to me. Maybe its better for the next 7 years, but for the next 2, I don't think so.

 

I'm not trying to make enemies. Smart-ass tactics just don't do it for me though.

 

Jacoby, you should really find the ******* who stole your computer and wrote:

 

Never thought of that, huh? And WTF do you mean WHEN Hermida goes down with injury? How the hell do you know whether someone will get injured or not? Can you see into the future? Are you a f***ing medium? You can't predict the future so don't even use that s*** on me. I think if anyone here was qualified to running the Boston Red Sox they'd have some kind of position with the team already.

 

because he's making you look bad.

 

I do care about the minor leagues. Anyone who doesn't is just stupid. Forgive the internet nobody for doing so, but my assessment of Theo is this: excellent drafter, knows when to let big-name players go, not good at picking guys to sign to replace the stars he let go of, below-average trader.

 

I might agree with you on all of these things, but this is a move that most GMs would likely make if the player were doing what Manny is doing. If you think he "knows when to let big-name players go" then the only question is really whether or not Bay is an adequate replacement, not whether Manny should or should not be re-upped at 20m a year. That one is a no-brainer.

 

So, again, my question would be "who else is a realistic and adequate possible replacement?" Given how important minor-leaguers are to deals like this, you should look at our minor leagues (say, soxprospects.com) and see which players we have who could get the player you want most.

 

The consensus--as far as I can tell--would be a top-tier talent like Holliday, but the consensus is also that Holliday would take a LOT of talent to get.

[riverside sluggers]

Good article on Boston.com

 

Going . . . going . . .

July 31, 2008 12:53 AM

 

I'm with you, John Henry. I don't want Manny to go, either.

 

I don't want Manny and Papi, the most productive 3-4 tandem we've ever witnessed, to break up so soon, especially since they've just been reunited. Five-plus seasons of that show are not enough.

I don't want to ponder the joy and relief fans (and a certain squirrelly general manager and his blustery boss) in New York will feel when they catch their first glimpse of their longtime nemesis decked out in a teal Florida Marlins uniform.

 

I don't want one of the signature players of the most fulfilling era in modern franchise history to depart this way, with his legacy tainted and his longtime, reprehensible bashers feeling vindicated.

 

I don't want yet another Red Sox superstar sent away on a wave of bad feelings.

 

I'll be downright sad when the news comes that his eight-year run with the Red Sox is officially over. But right now, I just can't talk myself out of the truth: Manny Ramirez must go. His relationship with the franchise is damaged beyond repair. It's become too ugly. There's no coming back this time.

 

He's already gone in spirit. Manny's behavior, which at its best is endearingly quirky, now falls somewhere between indifferent and insubordinate. I always thought his antics were mostly harmless. Right now they're toxic.

 

How many times does he need to rip the organization to his personal media mouthpiece, Enrique Rojas? Twice isn't enough? How many times does he have to insult the men who pay his salary? How many more impossible situations must he put Terry Francona in? How many more times must he leave his exasperated teammates to face questions only he can answer?

 

If there's a blessing, it's that a trade does not necessarily mean a potential pennant has become a white flag, assuming the specifics of the most prevalent rumor are true. Jason Bay is not Manny, but at this point of their careers, he's closer than casual fans think. He has 22 homers this season, and his OPS+ of 137 is just five points lower than Manny's. He's a very good player, and he will help the Sox win, something that's been a foreign concept since the All-Star break.

 

The Sox have a day off today, and man, do they ever need one. They aren't dead men walking; they're dead men popping up, grounding to short, aimlessly heaving the ball around the infield, again and again and again. They're such a mess at the moment, I keep waiting for Joe Kerrigan to pop out of the dugout to remove Frank Castillo from the game.

 

The Manny situation might not be wearing on his teammates, but they're sure playing like it is. It would best for everyone employed at 4 Yawkey Way if this is resolved today.

 

I don't want Manny to go.

 

Too bad he's made sure that's the only option.

[example1]

E1' date=' he doesn't want the options picked up. At least, not now, not since he hired Boras. He met with Boras in LA right before the post ASG Angel's series. The drama has increased in intensity since then. I don't see that as coincidental. One of the caveats to him waiving his 10/5 rights, is the new club guarantees they don't pick up the option. Boras wants him on the market. IMO, he was in Manny's ear telling him to stoke the fire while promising him riches similar to his last big contract. He's really doing his client a disservice.[/quote']

 

I don't disagree, but do you think Boras is telling him "you will get the most money if you sit on the DL while simultaneously being able to hit .350 for the month of July"? Doesn't sound Boras-ish (Bor-ish? ) to me.

 

Boras may want him on the market, but that does not in any way mean he wants Manny to sit due to injury, or to blast the FO for not re-upping his contract, or anything else.

 

We all agree (I think): if the Sox could be assured that Manny would be hard-working, heavy hitting Manny for the last 2 months of the season, it would be worth keeping him and trying to get someone else for LF next year. Manny obviously made the FO (and many fans) nervous by asking out of the lineup against good pitchers, threatening to go on the DL, calling out the FO when he didn't get his way, etc.,

 

Boras may be a part of it, and he is likely doing his client a disservice, but I don't believe the disservice goes so far as to be Boras telling Manny to call attention to an injury he has or to chew out one of Boras's best partner-teams. That would be Boras doing Boras a disservice--something he does not do often.

 

:dunno:

[redsoxrules]

I wouldn't be surprise to see Manny in pinstripes next year , reason being , the yanks would be the only team giving him the money he wants or close to it

[example1]

very true' date=' but for every athlete who doesn't deserve the contract he has, there is a Dustin Pedroia, Kevin Youkilis, Jonathan Papelbon, Jon Lester, etc. who makes less than he should[/quote']

 

Right, again, I'm not complaining about the guys who make more than they should.

 

All I'm saying is that when a good team has the option of getting OUT of one of those situations, they should not be blamed for doing so, especially if the overpayment is close to 30%. This is one of those opportunities, an opportunity this team has wanted for years, and now it appears to be here.

 

Don't throw the Sox FO under the bus for doing the logical thing.

[CalvnHobs6]

Manny has given me a lot of happy memories over the last eight seasons (7+), but I now realize it is time for him to leave. I've liked him through almost all his antics over the years, but I think the last few days, including last night's quotes, have caused too much damage. Yeszir and I will be at the game tomorrow night, and I hope I have a new player to cheer for.

 

This is all from a non-statistical or analytical standpoint, but as Manny said, "Enough is enough." We can (mostly) replace his bat, we can improve his defense, and we can do it for cheaper. Do it.

[yeszir]

Yeszir and I will be at the game tomorrow night, and I hope I have a new player to cheer for.

 

Yea, look for the two idiots wearing Talksox T shirts and kicking 4 year olds. This is Red Sox Nation's rogue state, after all.

[riverside sluggers]

Ill be at Saturday nights game. Will it be Manny or Jason Bay patrolling left field come Fridays game vs the Athletics...

[CalvnHobs6]

Yea' date=' look for the two idiots wearing Talksox T shirts and kicking 4 year olds. This is Red Sox Nation's rogue state, after all.[/quote']

 

We're getting a little throwback here. People who have joined anytime in the last....2.5? 3? years don't know that reference. My gosh, we grow old so fast!

[BoSox21]

Right, again, I'm not complaining about the guys who make more than they should.

 

All I'm saying is that when a good team has the option of getting OUT of one of those situations, they should not be blamed for doing so, especially if the overpayment is close to 30%. This is one of those opportunities, an opportunity this team has wanted for years, and now it appears to be here.

 

Don't throw the Sox FO under the bus for doing the logical thing.

 

oh, definitely. by no means should they pick up the option(s) and the crap he's pulled over the last week has made that all the more obvious

[Cocos Disciples]

Yea' date=' look for the two idiots wearing Talksox T shirts and kicking 4 year olds. This is Red Sox Nation's rogue state, after all.[/quote']

 

Where will you guys be sitting?

[CalvnHobs6]

I know everybody was getting really nervous, but Schilling finally had something to say on the matter. We can breathe easy now.

 

Rehabbing Red Sox righthander Curt Schilling this morning said he thought the Manny Ramirez situation has affected the team and keeping him in Boston for the stretch run could present a problem.

 

"At the end of the day you're taking the field with a guy who doesn't want to play with you, doesn't want to be there, doesn't want to ... obviously effort-wise is just not there and that's disheartening and disappointing," Schilling said during his weekly appearance on Boston sports radio WEEI's Dennis and Callahan program.

 

Does he think it's time for Manny to go?

 

"Would I be the only guy in the New England area that said no if I did?" Schilling replied to the question. "I think I'm probably with the consensus. It's very obvious from anything you see or hear he doesn't want to be here. And anytime that there's a piece of the equation you have a problem, and then not trading and leaving him here is a problem because you don't know what you're going to get."

 

Schilling was asked if he was insulted by Manny's "the Red Sox don't deserve a player like me" comment.

 

"I was here for the end of both Pedro [Martinez] and Nomar's [Garciaparra] situation and I'm not sure how there's any parallels there," Schilling said. "... I've always felt the organization extended a lot of courtesy Manny's way and I know Terry [Francona] as a manager, like with everybody else he went that extra mile for Manny. It's disappointing to see that not get recognized, but that happens.

 

"The hard part for me was this [situation with Manny] derailed into a train wreck so quick, so fast, and so oddly. You had the Buddah Zen Master guy in spring training, reading and 'life is good, don't worry be happy' and it just looked like he was poised to have a monster season. Physically he worked his butt off. Obviously he wants to play longer. Anytime a guy like that is motivated, you get excited. You get a chance to see some stuff...

 

"We had a conversation a little while back, talking about what he should do and how things are gonna go and there's just really not a reason from a business standpoint for the Red Sox to do anything right now. There really wouldn't. Why would they? Given your age and the contract situations. Why would they not just kind of wait and see how things played out. I think there was, maybe there's some feeling on his part that if he did what he did last winter and he came out and had a monster first couple of months that they'd sit down and say 'OK we want to keep you here the next four years, let's get something done,' and it felt like to me that the second he realized that that was not an option, this just went straight downhill."

 

Could this situation have caused the Red Sox, losers of 4 of their last 5 on this homestand, to lose its focus?

 

"Absolutely, absolutely," Schilling said. "This is one of those things ... the trading deadline is always a weird time for everybody, no matter what team you play for but this ... when things are going on with Manny, the fact that Manny's locker was in the back, and not with the rest of the guys, ended up being a thing that worked because media wasn't hovering, there wasn't stuff going on, but it appears to me that he's moved out into the clubhouse now to try and make sure he gets his message broadcast and that's ... it's not fun.

 

"I would absolutely agree that it's affected this team. I don't question it. I've been around when it did before in '06. These are your teammates and it just makes it hard when every question, you're struggling in a 1-for-14 and grinding your [expletive] off at the plate and every question is about something that you have absolutely no control over..."

 

Schilling also said would give Jason Bay his No. 38 (and Bay's number with the Pirates) if Bay ends up joining the Red Sox in exchange for someone to give a five-figure donation to his charity, Curt's Pitch. "It pretty much can be had right now... yeah ...we'll work something out," Schilling said.

 

More quotes of note from Schilling:

 

# Did Manny lose support of teammates after Jack McCormick incident?

 

“I don’t know. I don’t know how much support really is there. You’re talking about a very different man. Manny is, as we all know, one of the most talented right-handed hitters that’s ever played but I’m not sure it goes beyond that for a lot of us… the guy can hit and hit like nobody else ever could hit. I don’t know that there are a lot of guys… he has his moments when you sit and talk to him and he walks away and you go ‘wow, who is that guy?’ He’s got a soft heart at times but I never invested a whole lot there when the issues that I… the times that I had questions… problems, I talked to Manny, and we had our run-ins and there was a couple of times when I thought I was going to have a run-in and was told not to, but I don’t know about that losing [support from the] team. I don’t think there’s a lot invested there.”

 

# Have any teammates told Manny to knock it off?

 

“Recently I don’t know… I don’t know, I can’t answer that… I’ve had my moments, and that was both smiled upon and frowned upon when they happened in different times… the club is struggling enough where everyone is worrying about themselves. … This is not the first time a situation’s come up like this with Manny. There have questions in the past about things. So it’s not a Youkilis or a Pedroia thing [to sit down with Manny], neither one of those guys is that person. Mike Lowell, yeah I could absolutely see it. Jason [Varitek], yeah., but not a lot of guys are suited to be that person, or in a position to do that.”

 

# On Manny’s effort running up the first-base line on a ground ball behind third base during John Lackey’s no-hit bid on Tuesday night.

 

“I laugh at the fact that people are like, ‘Oh my God, I can’t believe that… on this night he didn’t…,” like that night was any different than any other night for him. .. It’s stunning to me that it just was OK I guess, the other day for things to go the way they went. It’s gonna be funny to watch all the people jump if Manny does get traded and things happen, how many people in the media area going to come out of the woodwork and say, ‘you players are idiots, you let him be like this for so long,’ and the media’s given him, for the mos part, every bit the free ride everybody else has.”

 

# Is Manny quirky or a distraction?

 

“..I’ve always wondered how we came to be OK with ‘… he’s just not gonna play hard today,’ and that was OK. We’ve come a long way, especially in this city as devoted and as much as the Red Sox mean to people, the fact that you could have a Dustin Pedroia, a Jason Varitek, someone who would bleed and literally play his nine breaths to make an out or get a hit or win a game, and have somebody at the other end of the spectrum from a committed standpoint, you know these players love the uniform, love the fans, and believe in Red Sox and what it means to be a part of this and then you have guys who really don’t give a [expletive].”

 

 

# Is there a better place for Manny to play than Boston?

 

“No, no… when you think about the history and think about the kid gloves that these fans have had through all of it, he’s always come out a hero and he’s got a chance… this is because he doesn’t have a four-year contract. That’s it… it really is. That’s his prerogative but that’s the only reason this has happened.”

 

# On Scott Boras’s involvement:

 

“I think absolutely he’s absolutely had a hand in this … I think he absolutely has a piece of this. Scott Boras stands to make zero dollars if the Red Sox pick up Manny’s options the next two years. Manny’s not 1- years from retirement, he’s maybe four obviously, that’s where he’s at. So does Scott Boras want to get a two year-deal for Manny or a four-year deal for Manny? At the end of the day it falls on the player because Manny’s an adult… I can’t fathom Scott hasn’t had some… you read his comments, he just has no ability to answer a question short, tactfully, and straightforward. It’s a 12 paragraph way to say 19 syllable words that you just can’t figure out what the hell he’s saying.”

 

# Schilling on Pedro Martinez:

 

“I enjoyed pitching with Pedro, but I watched Pedro for a year come and go as he pleased, and do whatever he pleased, from a schedule standpoint and to a point, All-Star break heading home and no one ever said a word…”

 

 

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[CalvnHobs6]

Where will you guys be sitting?

 

If they're the seats I'm thinking of, 3rd base side, a section back, closer to the plate.

[BoSox21]

you can just tell, especially with all the errors last night, that this team just isnt as focused as they need to be

[VA Sox Fan]

MANNY......You have broken my heart bro :(

[BigPapiEnFuego]

I know everybody was getting really nervous, but Schilling finally had something to say on the matter. We can breathe easy now.

 

 

 

From extrabases.

 

I didn't even bother to read that. Damnit Curt Schilling, just f***ing retire and go make some video games already. We all had enough of your opinion from 2004-2007.

[MANNYHOF24]

We are a better team with Ramirez for the stretch run. I think it's ridiculous to think that this team should be blown up as other have suggested. We lost 4-5, its a long season it happens. The fact remains that this team is still one of the best in baseball and we still have a legit shot at winning a world series. We have seen these antics before from Manny, and if he doesn't get traded I would put money on this whole situation blowing over and everyone being ok. That being said if he is traded today, it sucks that he would have to leave on these terms. He has been one of the best Red Sox players of all time and lead us to two world series championships. Seriously you can all talk about how you want Manny off this team, but have you ever stopped to think how much the lineup is going to be different without him? Just the threat of a player of Manny's calibur makes a pitcher cringe.

[a700hitter]

I didn't even bother to read that. Damnit Curt Schilling' date=' just f***ing retire and go make some video games already. We all had enough of your opinion from 2004-2007.[/quote']Never take Schilling's name in vain. Never. At least not until we win a Championship without him. He's entitled to his opinion on anything and everything, and we owe it to him to listen whether or not we agree. The man put his money where his mouth is and he brought Boston to the Championship.

 

This is close to grounds for banning.