Manny Ramirez Trade Deadline Thread (renamed)

[Beckett95]

The Red Sox want Jason Bay, but they could try to mix in a different third team. Heyman adds that the Dodgers were willing to part with Matt Kemp for Ramirez, but that those talks are on the sidelines now. Jul. 31 - 12:11 am et

 

why didnt we go after Kemp???? I guess the Sox still think they can win with Bay instead of Manny

[castigs850]

the worst part for me is that i believe that Manny would cool down just as we have seen in the past. I dont know what's wrong with him, if he's just so much of a control freak that he wants to know that the sox will pick up his options or he wants to leave. Either that or maybe Borris is whispering in his ear. Either way im just 100% sick of this and i hope both sides come out with some nice statements about one another once the trade goes down, because this is too ugly to bear

[Beckett95]

from heyman

The Red Sox have talked to other teams about Ramirez, but their talks appear to be centered on the Marlins now. People involved in the discussions say several combinations of players and teams are being discussed, but in just about all of them Ramirez would wind up with the Marlins. No deal has been agreed to yet, and it's still possible Ramirez could remain with the Red Sox, though it's now believed that the deal will be consummated close to Thursday's 4 p.m. ET non-waiver trade deadline.

 

There's still work to be done in the Red Sox-Marlins part of the megadeal, but one swap that's on the table would send young outfielder Jeremy Hermida, power-hitting outfield prospect Mike Stanton and hard-throwing young pitcher Ryan Tucker from Florida to Boston for Ramirez.

 

Id rather that, then Bay and Grabow

[BoSox34]

Things much be a lot worse than we know between Manny and the Front Office because this deal is terrible. It really doesn't make any sense to trade Manny for a less-productive hitter who is not used to playing the Green Monster in left field and a decent reliever and expect this team to be built for this year. If we are dealing Manny, we better be getting a few great prospects because the proposed trade that is floating around does not solve our problems for now or for the future...and please don't tell me Grabow will come in and be the bullpen's savior. I have seen countless middle-late relievers with decent/good careers come into Boston and melt under the pressure. This guy will be counted on to save the bullpen and he'll need to prove himself first. This is pathetic if the trade truly is Manny (and lowrie) for Bay, Grabow (and wilson), I'll be disappointed.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

from heyman

 

 

Id rather that, then Bay and Grabow

Absolutely. The Bay/Grabow deal is a joke.

[mtbykr]

Gammo basically saying that the deal is really close, but that the sticking poinst is the young players going to Pitt.

 

Unless Manram is a cancer and is really disrupting the clubhouse, then there is no deal being talked about that makes the sox a better team.......losing manram isn't an option IMO.

[schillingouttheks]

I third the sentiment regarding the Pittsburgh package vs. that of Florida.

 

And Beckett95 - IIRC, the Dodgers backed out of those talks for some reason. Kemp would have been the best we could have expected in return.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

Absolutely. The Bay/Grabow deal is a joke.

 

It really is. I'd rather just keep manny than get Bay, who is good, but nowhere near manny, and some lefty reliever who is just "alright" while pitching in the NL. He'd probably get wrecked in the AL. They should either keep Manny and go after Will Ohman, or trade manny for hermida and stanton and find another way to still get Ohman

[mtbykr]

I really wonder how much of this is Boras: upset he's not getting any money off of manram right now and whispering the 4/100 nonsense in his ears.

[Beckett95]

Absolutely. The Bay/Grabow deal is a joke.

 

That would atleast give the Sox a pretty solid offense for the future along with the ridiculous amount of talented pitchers we have that are under 28.

 

C--Kottaras/Exposito

1B--Anderson

2B--Pedroia

3B--Youk/Almanzar?

SS--Lowrie

LF--Hermida

CF-Ellsbury/Lin

RF--Reddick/Kalish

DH--Stanton

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

It really is. I'd rather just keep manny than get Bay' date=' who is good, but nowhere near manny, and some lefty reliever who is just "alright" while pitching in the NL. He'd probably get wrecked in the AL. They should either keep Manny and go after Will Ohman, or trade manny for hermida and stanton and find another way to still get Ohman[/quote']

I'd prefer Arthur Rhodes to Ohman.

[BoSox34]

That would atleast give the Sox a pretty solid offense for the future.

 

C--Kottaras/Exposito

1B--Anderson

2B--Pedroia

3B--Almanzar?

SS--Lowrie

LF--Hermida

CF-Ellsbury/Lin

RF--Reddick/Kalish

DH--Stanton

 

It's so weird seeing a Red Sox lineup without Ortiz and Manny.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

That would atleast give the Sox a pretty solid offense for the future.

 

C--Kottaras/Exposito

1B--Anderson

2B--Pedroia

3B--Youk/Almanzar?

SS--Lowrie

LF--Hermida

CF-Ellsbury/Lin

RF--Reddick/Kalish

DH--Stanton

 

Damn, how far in the future are we talkin' here? Never heard of Exposito, Kalish, Reddick or Lin.

[Gom]

I really wonder how much of this is Boras: upset he's not getting any money off of manram right now and whispering the 4/100 nonsense in his ears.

 

Thank you. Finally, someone here gets it. I was wondering how long it would take. It's all Boras. You deal with the devil enough, you'll get burned.

[Beckett95]

It's so weird seeing a Red Sox lineup without Ortiz and Manny.

 

it is, its sucks, but its gotta happen at some point

 

its also weird thinking about the pats without tom brady :shock:

but its gonna happen at some point

[Beckett95]

Damn' date=' how far in the future are we talkin' here? Never heard of Exposito, Kalish, Reddick or Lin.[/quote']

 

there all about 19-21 years old

 

http://www.soxprospects.com/ that has some info on all of them plus others

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

it is, its sucks, but its gotta happen at some point

 

its also weird thinking about the pats without tom brady :shock:

but its gonna happen at some point

 

i'm so excited

[26 to 6]

Damn' date=' how far in the future are we talkin' here? Never heard of Exposito, Kalish, Reddick or Lin.[/quote']

Lin is nasty. I'd heard of him, but not until I got to see him go deep at Yankee Stadium during the Futures Game did I realize just how legitimate of a prospect he was. Did some research after that and he looks like a real promising kid.

 

As a Yankee fan, it's like seeing an old foe go. In a way, I'll be sad to see him go.

Get the f*** out of here, are you drunk gom? Were you out at Finnys before or something? I would love nothing more than to see Manny Ramirez leave the Red Sox. s***, I would go up to Boston and drive his ass to the airport. I won't miss him one bit. I'll be happy that he can go somewhere else, out of our division and league, and I can truly admire the fellow New Yorker's talents. Rather than having to root against a player I enjoy watching so much.

[Gom]

Lin is nasty. I'd heard of him, but not until I got to see him go deep at Yankee Stadium during the Futures Game did I realize just how legitimate of a prospect he was. Did some research after that and he looks like a real promising kid.

 

 

Get the f*** out of here, are you drunk gom? Were you out at Finnys before or something? I would love nothing more than to see Manny Ramirez leave the Red Sox. s***, I would go up to Boston and drive his ass to the airport. I won't miss him one bit. I'll be happy that he can go somewhere else, out of our division and league, and I can truly admire the fellow New Yorker's talents. Rather than having to root against a player I enjoy watching so much.

In a way sad to see him go. I'd be ecstatic if he left. Kinda like Schilling. He went head to head with us, and beat us. A grudging respect, and knowing that we are seeing something and someone we won't see again any time soon. It'll be like when Rivera goes for the Sox fans, or Jeter.

[Beckett95]

im not gonna be sad at all when jeter leaves, but its gonna be weird watching yankees games with someone else playing short. same with rivera and seeing someone else in the 9th.

 

but ill be very happy when those 2 are done

[BoSox34]

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[User Name]

At least he spelled Favre right.

 

We better f***ing keep him.

[BoSox34]

I doubt he wrote that.

[Beckett95]

 

We better f***ing keep him.

 

its not looking to good as of now

[example1]

Damn' date=' how far in the future are we talkin' here? Never heard of Exposito, Kalish, Reddick or Lin.[/quote']

 

This is what makes me confident that the FO knows the team and the trading possibilities better than you do.

 

Lin was the MVP of the futures game.

 

Who would you have had the Sox pick up for LF starting next year?

 

What would your plan have been when Hermeda went down with an injury in September and this team doesn't make it out of the first round? Just wondering?

[User Name]

Boras probably did.

 

Boras started all this s***. Christ, I will be pissed if he is responsible for Manny's demise.

[Gom]

Just who do you think is behind this?

[Cityofchampions33]

In a way sad to see him go. I'd be ecstatic if he left. Kinda like Schilling. He went head to head with us' date=' and beat us. A grudging respect, and knowing that we are seeing something and someone we won't see again any time soon. It'll be like when Rivera goes for the Sox fans, or Jeter.[/quote']

 

Great post, I've been having that vibe all season whenever I see Mo or Jeter, though Mo looks like he can go for a bit longer.

 

As far the trade, while the parts we're getting aren't Holliday and a Type A Reliever, Manny has sort of forced this trade and tied the Sox hands. Only part I don't agree with is the jack Wilson/Lowrie part, like seriously what's the point. In the end It'll be bittersweet to see him go, but my feeling right now is happy.

[arbitrary]

I doubt he wrote that.

 

He forgot a semicolon, or at least a comma.

 

That's all I really have to add. That, and I tend to find the Boston media WAY more annoying than Manny. I'll be sad to see him go, but he played a role in this as well.

[Beckett95]

Kevin Goldstein of baseball prospectus--

We Have A Deal, Redux?

Maybe, maybe not. Here’s the thing, I’ve heard the Manny to Florida deal in about five different variations, and if you add in the variations from Will and John, it probably gets into the teens. My best source has it as (and this is somewhat simpler than others):

 

Mike Stanton (Low-A slugger), Ryan Tucker and Jeremy Hermida go to Pittsburgh

 

Jason Bay and John Grabow go to Boston

 

Manny Ramirez goes to Florida, with Boston paying every cent of what’s still owed to him this year.

 

Who’s right? Who’s wrong? I don’t know, but my guess is nobody nails this one until it’s done.

 

ughh, f*** bay and grabow and atlaest keep the marlins prospects

 

Bay and Hermida have the same effect on the Sox playoff chances, in that they probably wont make it this year.

So why not get Hermida who is going to help out more in the future than Bay, not to mention that Tucker and Stanton all have huge upside.

 

And why are the Marlins so eager to getting Manny? It seems like theyll do almost anything to get him right now.